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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Some Geth wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I want some revolution.

Then go to the middle east.

Because love it or leave it will fix Americas problems.

[Volus Warlord]

KT Chong wrote...

All the "Obama and Romney are the same" talks are BS.

Even if you think the economic outcomes of having a Democratic president or a Republican one are the same, (I do not think they are completely the same, but let's say they are,) the SOCIAL ISSUES presented by the two parties are definitively different.

Let's say it does not make any different to the economy whether Obama or Romney wins, it will make a different in the social issues of:

Abortion right: if you believe getting pregnant is a "gift from god", and women can only get pregnant from "legitimate rape" and their bodies would "shut down" and prevent pregnancy from "illegitmate rape", then go ahead and vote Republicans.

Gay marriage: Christians do NOT have a monopoly on marriage. The Judea-Christian faith did NOT invent marriage. Chinese and Indian civilizations had the marriage institution even before the Judea-Christan faith were created, so marriage has NOTHING to do with God.

Immigration: Deporting people who were brought into the country as children -- and therefore did NOT commit any crime as they were just children -- and grew up here is just cruel and inhumane.

The rise of Christian fundamentalism in America, which is associated with the Republican party.

Wars in the Middle East:  Republicans LOVE wars and LOVE killing the Muslims.  Do you know what really got America into the economic hole?  It's the ****ing endless wars.

Income Inequality: Republicans follow the Cult of Ayn Rand and believe income inequality is a good thing, that wealthy people should lead and poor people should just shut up and roll over.  Ron Paul is along this line of thinking; he differs from other Republicans because he does not like wars, but he is still a follower of the Ayn Rand cult.

So, even if you think the economic outcomes of Obama or Romney winning are the same, the social outcomes are definitely NOT the same.

You are so ****ed up...

[Clover Rider]

Filament wrote...

Well it has a better chance of fixing them than libertarianism, anyway.

Yeah this.

[KT Chong]

Mitt Romney is conceding on TV right now.

[Volus Warlord]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

@Volus, How so? Do you think that those things being put into practice would be a good thing?

Those things are fabricated straw man arguments. They are at best a ruthlessly warped depiction of reality. 

[DiebytheSword]

How I wish Government would stay out of the bedroom and people's personal rights. All there should be is defense, guarantee of those rights and living within the means the electorate can provide.

Sadly that would mean the fiscal responsibility of Far Right Republicans and the liberties of far Left Democrats, none of which will ever actually exist in the same package. Math does not lie, taking all the money of every Rich person in the country would not fix the deficit, spending must come down. Republicans might be able to get this message across if they stopped trying to "defend marriage" and engaging in any debate about female reproduction. Democrats shouldn't be there either, I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's contraception or abortions, but neither should I be telling them they can't do it on their own dime.

The sad truth is I would have been unhappy with either, but now I'm unhappy with just Obama, and his ridiculous aversion to not spending money he does not have.

[Volus Warlord]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

America was always doomed either way due to the fact that America is in so much debt, you can barely count the amount.

And Obama raised it 60% in 4 years. 

And he got elected again.

[Bekkael]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

America was always doomed either way due to the fact that America is in so much debt, you can barely count the amount.

And Obama raised it 60% in 4 years. 

And he got elected again.

It's all incredibly disturbing and depressing. I haven't seen a candidate I truly support in a very long time. At least I can say I have cast a vote against Obama both times, so none of his crap is on my conscience.

[KT Chong]

Abortion right, religious extremism, immigration and equality are NOT "straw man" arguments.

Personally I will NEVER vote for a Republican until the party pulls their heads out of the Christian fundamentalism and Ayn Rand Cult's arse; and  I'm often amazed that almost half the American populations would support a Chrstiain fundamentalist party.

Modifié par KT Chong, 07 novembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[Shadow Fox]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I want some revolution.

Cause chaos and anarchy solves everything right?

[DiebytheSword]

Bekkael wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

America was always doomed either way due to the fact that America is in so much debt, you can barely count the amount.

And Obama raised it 60% in 4 years. 

And he got elected again.

It's all incredibly disturbing and depressing. I haven't seen a candidate I truly support in a very long time. At least I can say I have cast a vote against Obama both times, so none of his crap is on my conscience.

I hear that, on both counts.  I don't think I've ever voted for someone I considered to be someone I wanted, always the lesser of two evils.  This one was no different, except that I think Obama is going to cause serious damage this time when he doesn't have to face voters again in four years.

[TheBlackBaron]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

America was always doomed either way due to the fact that America is in so much debt, you can barely count the amount.

16 trillion and counting.

Woo.

[Volus Warlord]

KT Chong wrote...

Abortion right, religious extremism, immigration and equality are NOT "straw man" arguments.

Personally I will NEVER vote for a Republican until the party pulls their heads out of the Christian fundamentalism and Ayn Rand Cult's arse; and  I'm often amazed that almost half the American populations would support a Chrstiain fundamentalist party.

Maybe they see things you choose to ignore. Get your head out of Planned Parenthoods' and Richard Dawkins' ass.

[Russalka]

Is the President of the United States some autocrat that he is personally responsible for all American problems?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I want some revolution.

Cause chaos and anarchy solves everything right?

NO one said that....and it worked for the founding fathers. (revolution)

[Volus Warlord]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

@Volus, Yeah, but I remember specificly some of those statements about rape and abortion were true and were made by two politicians who actually sit on the house science comittee, so in my opinion if the American people are stupid enough to let those type of people into a place of influemce like that they deserve to crash and burn.

Don't pretend extreminism doesn't exist in your nation. 

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Bekkael wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

America was always doomed either way due to the fact that America is in so much debt, you can barely count the amount.

And Obama raised it 60% in 4 years. 

And he got elected again.

It's all incredibly disturbing and depressing. I haven't seen a candidate I truly support in a very long time. At least I can say I have cast a vote against Obama both times, so none of his crap is on my conscience.

Sad sad truth.

[TheBlackBaron]

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

@Volus, Yeah, but I remember specificly some of those statements about rape and abortion were true and were made by two politicians who actually sit on the house science comittee, so in my opinion if the American people are stupid enough to let those type of people into a place of influemce like that they deserve to crash and burn.

That's false, Erik. Akin and Mourdock are the two men you're thinking of, and both were candidates. Neither has ever served in Congress. 

I'm ****ing through with the SoCons. Who the hell made them the guardians of the "True Conservatives" mantle? Their idiocy has now resulted in four blown Senate races in two years, against incumbents or candidates who were begging to be destroyed. 

[Clover Rider]

Russalka wrote...

Is the President of the United States some autocrat that he is personally responsible for all American problems?

Nope.