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[I3astion]

 With ME1 coming to the PS3 finally (though I don't own it. I'm a member of the PC master race) and the Trilogy being released I came to the conclusion that now would be a good time to actually *do* that full-complete-masterful playthrough of Mass Effect that I've always wanted to do.

Disclaimer: This playthrough will conform to my ideal of complete. And though I do appreciate any input this is really just a place for me to think out my ideas and soak up the love of haters/supporters.

-Stipulations-

Morality- I'll be playing a mostly paragon Shepard unless the game awards freebie renegade points. Ex. Asking Ashley if she's alright, reassuring her that her squad dying was not her fault, then telling her to stay while you and Alenko handle the mission followed by "Just remember who's in charge" opens up +4 paragon and +2 renegade points where as straight out welcoming her awards only +4 paragon. 
http://masseffect.wi.../Morality_Guide will be my main resource.

Squadmates: I chose a self contained Shepard to allow me to take squadmates who would be prudent to the mission at hand. Ex Wrex for the assault on Chora's Den, Liara for Noveria, Squadmate X for personal mission X, ect. So as to have access to their specialty dialogue. 

Romance: Kaidan =| ..For serious though I'm not sure if I'll have a romance in ME1. Leaning towards Tali in ME2 and ME3 so I don't know if I want the jealousy there or Liara's nifty ME2-Shadow Broker quip. Not sure yet, too wrapped up in squadmate builds.

class: Infiltrator (Commando) (Bonus Power: Hacking)
 I was considering Lift for crowd control but I'm looking to be able to change my team around to suit the mission giving me access to Lift via other actual biotic characters. Ai Hacking is only avaliable with Tali and provides a large 30% cooldown to an Infiltrators tech abilities. (pointed out by Grey Ranger)

Build: 102 points Lv 60 (No Charm/Intim as that comes with playing the game)
Pistols-12
Sniper Rifles-12
Tactical Armor-7
Fitness-12
Electronics-9
Dampening-12
Decryption-9
First Aid-1
Hacking-12
Commando-12
Charm-0
Intim-0
Spectre-4 Just one level of Unity. If I need to raise more I need to find a better method of attack.

Thoughts on Shepard: I was thinking of forgoing one point in TA for a single point in First aid (40hp for each team member vs 20% more shields for me. But I'm wasn't certain. With Colossus X it's something like 80 shields even if the 20% does sound like alot.

-Squadmates-

-Kaidan
Throw-12
Lift-12
Barrier-12
Stasis-1 Had an extra point and might as well there's no GCD in ME1
Decrypt-9
Electronics-12 With barrier he's Wrex-lite with 0 calories and better hair.
First Aid-6
Medicine-12 I quite like Neural shock in ME1
Sentinel-6
Notes: I like Kaidan. He's well rounded as a support character while not as squishy as Liara.

-Ashley aka the Virmire Sacrifice
Pistol-4
Shotguns-12 crowd control with Sledgehammer rounds.
Assault Rifles-12
Sniper Rifles-0
Combat Armor-12
First Aid-12
Assault Training-12
Fitness-12
Soldier-6
Notes:I hate Ashley as a person, she's getting fed to the nuke on Virmire. But before then she's solid enough to help me with Pinnicle Station I guess <<

Modifié par I3astion, 09 novembre 2012 - 01:15 .

[The Grey Ranger]

Personally I'd go with hacking instead of lift for a bonus. You have no way aside from medical exoskeletons to reduce the cooldown of lift, you have no amp or adrenaline burst, and hacking makes all your other tech powers recharge faster. With colossus x medium, go with 2 medical exoskeleton x and forget the first aid, with high end armor, immunity and medical exos, you'll be pretty much an unstoppable tank. Kaidan or Liara can more than cover both your first aid and your lift needs. 

As far as first aid goes almost any of your companions can cover it pretty well.  The only one who can't is Wrex.  Liara is actually a very solid choice for a medic, since her asari scientist skill both reduces your medigel recharge time as well as increasing the amount healed.  Kaidan, and Garrus, both do pretty well with that role as well.  Garrus actually needs it to unlock his electronics skills.

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 07 novembre 2012 - 01:17 .

[I3astion]

I was considering Hacking as well for those very reasons. My go to team is Wrex and Garrus and I'm thinking I might have an unwarranted appreciation for Lift. Hacking is only available through Tali where as you mentioned both Liara and Kaidan (two characters I actually enjoy using) both have Lift. 

My First Aid needs will be mainly taken care of by teammates to be sure, I was just considering the first point for 40hp was a stronger choice than 80 more shields from Booster. To clarify: Three party members (Shepard included) with just one point in First aid will have a healing bonus equal to only one teammate with 8 points in the skill.. as opposed to only three points spent. That first point is worth four a net savings of three talent points. This gives me an elegant solution for some characters like Wrex who have an extra point that is driving me mad.

Modifié par I3astion, 07 novembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[capn233]

I do not like Damping. The reason is that it does not block biotic powers, it increases the cooldown. The difference is readily apparent: enemies still get to fire off a biotic power at you. Typically you will be able to kill them before their cooldown was over anyway.

Not that you should never invest in it. It does do some damage. And you might as well spend eventually. I suppose it increases Radius of powers, so that makes some sense.

AI Hacking is probably the best all around bonus for the Infiltrator. I also like Assault Rifles to have a pseudo-soldier, but nobody would argue it is the strongest.

Are you starting ME1 on Insanity at Level 1? Have fun, that is pretty painful in the first part of the game. Try to get Immunity and Marksman as soon as possible. Decryption / Sabotage is also really nice to have.  Youlist a Level 60 build so probably not starting from 1, since you can't hit 60 in one game. 

Modifié par capn233, 07 novembre 2012 - 05:17 .

[I3astion]

Dampening is primarily for the radius increase.

I am indeed starting from Lv1 this is just the proposed build for the end playthrough (I think it will be the third yes?) I enjoy having a plan for any game I play though that usually ends with me planning more than playing but.. whatever I enjoy it too much.

I'll be updating Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus and Wrex soon enough. N7 day so I'm spending a bit of time on the ME3 multiplayer.

[I3astion]

Kaidan and Ashley posted.
Nothing spectacular.

[The Grey Ranger]

Just a couple of comments, I'd probably stop Kaidan's electronics at 9 and put the other 3 points in stasis. If you're willing to micro manage a little go with 12 pistol for Ash instead of going 12 assault rifle. That way you can have her using master marksman which will be higher damage than assault rifle. Personally I generally build her around Assault rifle 9 and Sniper 12.  Also with a proper build Liara is no more crunchy than Kaidan.

Here are my semi standard builds for various npc's for comparision(note that these are minorly old and the math may be a touch off, I think I forgot to include their 2 starter points)


Ash
Pistol 4
Shotgun 4
AR 11
Sniper 12
Combat Armor 7
First Aid 12
Assault Training 12
Fitness 12
Soldier 6

Kaiden
Throw 12
Lift 12
Barrier 12
Stasis 3
Decryption 9
Electronics 9
First Aid 5
Medicine 12
Sentinel 6

Wrex
AR 9
Shotgun 12
Armor 7
Fitness 12
Warp 12
Throw 12
Barrier 7
Stasis 3
Battlemaster 6

Tali
Pistol 12
Shotgun 8
Armor 8
First Aid 4
Electronics 9
Damping 12
Decryption 9
Hacking 12
Machinist 6

Liara
Throw 12
Lift 12
Warp 7
Singularity 12
Barrier 12
Stasis 0
First Aid 10
Electronics 9
Scientist 6

Garrus
AR 11
Sniper 12
Armor 8
Asault Training 12
Decryption 9
Damping 6
First Aid 7
Electronics 9
Agent 6

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 09 novembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[I3astion]

Thank you for the builds, it'll be nice to have a comparison to my own thoughts for the NPCs.

[known_hero]

PS3er here

Just out of curiosity: who are the best/worst squadmates in me1.

[The Grey Ranger]

It's somewhat depends on what class you're playing, what difficulty you're playing at and what mission you're on.

Liara is probably the best straight up biotic, with both singularity and lift she has wonderful biotic crowd control that is very useful. Kaidan is the second best biotic, but he brings a more varied skill set to the table with decryption and electronics (so he can also cover your unlocking needs).

Wrex is the best tank, with heavy armor, immunity, barrier, and high health regen, he's kinda like a Timex he takes a licking and keeps on ticking, add to it some minor biotics, he's a very solid squaddie. Ash is the second best tank, She doesn't have quite as much durability but it's pretty darn close and she can cover your medical needs and actually has points to spare for the skill.

As far as tech skills, Tali is a real power house with all of the tech skills save medicine. But the with decryption, sabotage, damping and hacking she's a great choice for any mission involving geth, drones or turrets. She's also not bad for some of the others, but she can be a little squishy until you get her some good armor. Garrus is a also a solid choice, he tends to be a bit more durable later, due to his medium armor. Also his tech skills can be recycled faster for the second round of use due to his assault training.

It should be noted that you'll need a character with decryption and electronics to unlock stuff. So unless you're playing an engineer, sentinel or infiltrator, then Tali, Garrus or Kaidan is likely to spend a lot of time in your party. After you've unlocked it, you can take decryption as a bonus skill and Liara is capable of covering electronics.

[Drayce333]

known_hero wrote...

PS3er here

Just out of curiosity: who are the best/worst squadmates in me1.

Every squadmate is good, you just need to spec them right. Pick whoever you like.

Liara and Kaiden are obviously 'the best' however because of how overpowered biotics are. Lift everything.

[HolyAvenger]

Depends on what class Shepard is and how you'll play him/her. Lift is definitely the most brokenly OP power in the game though.

[capn233]

Agree with the above.

You can get away with any squad, but it is nice to balance combat, biotics, and tech in the first game. At least somewhat. Main thing is to make sure you have Decryption and Electronics.

[2much41]

capn233 wrote...

Agree with the above.

You can get away with any squad, but it is nice to balance combat, biotics, and tech in the first game. At least somewhat. Main thing is to make sure you have Decryption and Electronics.

And a ton of omni gel?

[capn233]

2much41 wrote...

And a ton of omni gel?

No, I just make sure I have at least one health regen armor mod available for the squad.  I can switch it in between them if necessary to regen their health.

On mainline missions they will revive anyway if you finish the near enemies, or if you enter the Mako.  You can also "revive" them on side missions by exiting a building. Then you can always just wait a little bit for them to regen.

[The Grey Ranger]

capn233 wrote...

2much41 wrote...

And a ton of omni gel?

No, I just make sure I have at least one health regen armor mod available for the squad.  I can switch it in between them if necessary to regen their health.

On mainline missions they will revive anyway if you finish the near enemies, or if you enter the Mako.  You can also "revive" them on side missions by exiting a building. Then you can always just wait a little bit for them to regen.

Omnigel for opening locks, not medigel for healing. 

[capn233]

The Grey Ranger wrote...

Omnigel for opening locks, not medigel for healing. 

Ugh, I totally misread that.

Yes omnigel is ok.  If you have Decryption and Electronics you will eventually accumulate so much crap that Omnigel will never be a problem though.

[known_hero]

capn233 wrote...

The Grey Ranger wrote...

Omnigel for opening locks, not medigel for healing. 

Ugh, I totally misread that.

Yes omnigel is ok.  If you have Decryption and Electronics you will eventually accumulate so much crap that Omnigel will never be a problem though.

True

I finished the game with 999 omni gels. The 150 inventory limit is a pain.

[PsiFive]

known_hero wrote...

capn233 wrote...

The Grey Ranger wrote...

Omnigel for opening locks, not medigel for healing. 

Ugh, I totally misread that.

Yes omnigel is ok.  If you have Decryption and Electronics you will eventually accumulate so much crap that Omnigel will never be a problem though.

True

I finished the game with 999 omni gels. The 150 inventory limit is a pain.

The 150 inventory limit can be changed via the console. Only problem is it makes inventory management even more hard work.

[The Grey Ranger]

PsiFive wrote...


]The 150 inventory limit can be changed via the console. Only problem is it makes inventory management even more hard work.

Only on PC, most of the current forum activity is from PS3 people most likely though.