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[Stardusk]

InvincibleHero wrote...

I prefer the saber and it doesn't disappoint. It has more shots than a three clip. The ROF boost makes it a sweet sounding death dealer.

BW kills bosses much faster.

[N7 Whiskey]

Yeah but the advantage over the Human Soldier is the Turian passive. Slap on a Stability Mod 3 with the Turian Marksman + Black Widow and there is zero recoil, making follow up headshots extremely fast and easy. And lets face it, we all have tons of Stabilization Mods to use, so might as well use 'em while the other stuff gets replenished.

[UKStory135]

"It's good on the Turian Soldier" is one of the biggest cliche's in the game, right behind it's OP on the Geth Infiltrator. I don't say that as in anyway as bit of disrespect to StarDusk's great skill or knowledge of the mechanics of the game, which are extremely good.

[UKStory135]

Stardusk wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

I prefer the saber and it doesn't disappoint. It has more shots than a three clip. The ROF boost makes it a sweet sounding death dealer.

BW kills bosses much faster.

So does the Paladin, which is in most situations, is much better than the Saber.

[himegoto]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Yeah.. I use it on my human soldier.

More damage from ARush other than headshots, let's face it, no matter how good a headshotter you are you will still lose time trying to snipe heads. Takes 2 shots to the head to finish a gold / platinum phantom. Which I dont think you can one shot with the Turian's headshot anyways.

Not to mention much more resilience. My guide already included why stability isnt needed because of the quick scopes

My BW 10 will take down the shields on any mook in one shot, and the follow up shot will kill them. Now, since Marksman increases ROF, this will cause me to kill the mook faster than a Human Soldier would. 

Human Soldier might be better against bosses, I dunno, but just sayin'. 

I actually find my Human soldier better at mooks.
Most mooks we are talking about can be taken with one quick scope shot. Gold and platinum. I am on PC so as long as I line up the center dot, it's easy.
And again with the combat roll and DR and shield boost from ARush. I used to equip a ULM hurricane as a sidearm with him but find it hardly needed afterwards.

Turians may be better against bosses, given that you can do constant headshots. Perhaps at slower units like Brutes or Atlas.

[himegoto]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...


Yeah but the advantage over the Human Soldier is the Turian passive. Slap on a Stability Mod 3 with the Turian Marksman + Black Widow and there is zero recoil, making follow up headshots extremely fast and easy. And lets face it, we all have tons of Stabilization Mods to use, so might as well use 'em while the other stuff gets replenished.

My point is stability isn't needed. As long as you can pull of quick scope outs. I am on PC so I dont know if that will work the same on consoles.
I never keep scoping in whenever I am using my BW anyway. Not even with the Turians unless it's the last few in the wave. Why hinder your field awareness and suffer the recoil at all?

I see what you are saying about continuous shots, so keep scoping in may favor the Turians more against bosses. More hit and run style with the Human and less concern about getting headshots.

[darkpassenger2342]

i have to agree with himegeto in the fact that as long as you quick zoom out with the black widow the recoil is essentially eliminated. ive been firing it that way for months.
the ROF and headshot bonuses interested me to this thread, but i never even cared about the stability reduction,.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 novembre 2012 - 07:03 .

[N7 Whiskey]

@ Stardusk: Topic title says you are a genius. I didn't say that you think you are a genius (I don't know you so I won't presume to know the answer to that).

Not sure if I started a thread about BW Turian Marksman or not but do know I posted it several times in other peoples threads. Still, others surely did it before I did so it'd be pretty frakin lame for me to want credit for the combo. I don't give two rabbit-curds about credit.

Furthermore, I think its wonderful that you brought attention to an amazing kit/weapon combo as others should enjoy the fun. The BSN MP forum doesn't have enough of those kinds of threads.
I just find the satchel-swaddling to be a bit much, and that's on the OP, not you. The BSN MP forum has too many of those types of posts.

To be crystal clear, I have no problem with you. If you start posting pictures of your in-game score every chance you get or geneally boast about your high scores, then I'll just feel sad for you. Its happened to BSNers who were previously good posters but got a bit too full of themselves. From the couple vids of yours that I've actually watched, you don't seem like the type.

[N7 Whiskey]

@ UKStory: Don't you DARE speak of my Saber X in anything but hushed words and whispered praises to your Lord! Take back what you said, and I will consider your past record before passing judgement.

Also, will be expecting you Wednesday night to rock out with our........ new kits. You thought I was going there lol.

[InvincibleHero]

Stardusk wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

I prefer the saber and it doesn't disappoint. It has more shots than a three clip. The ROF boost makes it a sweet sounding death dealer.

BW kills bosses much faster.

Sure it has slightly higher dps, but if you have multiple targets saber is much better even for platinum. One extra shot while you reload your BW and it comes out pretty much a wash anyways. (The damage on headshot saber vs BW is less than 300 more without including mods and extra bonuses.) More shots per clip more clip DPS. the destroyer makes it a real beast.

[darkpassenger2342]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

I prefer the saber and it doesn't disappoint. It has more shots than a three clip. The ROF boost makes it a sweet sounding death dealer.

BW kills bosses much faster.

Sure it has slightly higher dps, but if you have multiple targets saber is much better even for platinum. One extra shot while you reload your BW and it comes out pretty much a wash anyways. (The damage on headshot saber vs BW is less than 300 more without including mods and extra bonuses.) More shots per clip more clip DPS. the destroyer makes it a real beast.

 dont forget the most understated point about the saber, it  staggers every unit.
 i dont think its better than the black widow overall though. 
totally different guns 

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 07 novembre 2012 - 07:17 .

[N7 Whiskey]

@ himegoto: Can be used either way. When I'm secure that teammates have my flanks covered, I stay scoped in with zero recoil and hammer away at the poor saps spawning on the other side of Hell. That said, I don't snipe much (name should give it away), but when I do I enjoy the Turian Marksman or Drell Adept. In fact, the Turian Marksman is my most used kit other than the Krogans and maybe the Human Sentinel.

Anyway, we are both right.

[Stardusk]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

@ Stardusk: Topic title says you are a genius. I didn't say that you think you are a genius (I don't know you so I won't presume to know the answer to that).

Not sure if I started a thread about BW Turian Marksman or not but do know I posted it several times in other peoples threads. Still, others surely did it before I did so it'd be pretty frakin lame for me to want credit for the combo. I don't give two rabbit-curds about credit.

Furthermore, I think its wonderful that you brought attention to an amazing kit/weapon combo as others should enjoy the fun. The BSN MP forum doesn't have enough of those kinds of threads.
I just find the satchel-swaddling to be a bit much, and that's on the OP, not you. The BSN MP forum has too many of those types of posts.

To be crystal clear, I have no problem with you. If you start posting pictures of your in-game score every chance you get or geneally boast about your high scores, then I'll just feel sad for you. Its happened to BSNers who were previously good posters but got a bit too full of themselves. From the couple vids of yours that I've actually watched, you don't seem like the type.

I don't post pics of score, just videos about builds or themed runs.

[Marauder-Shields]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

 Seriously, if any of you are sniper fans, try it. I have a BW X and haven't had an excuse to use it until I saw his

suggestion to start sniping on the T.Soldier. 30% Headshot passive tree + The 20-30% Headshot bonus from

Marksman is amazing. He might not be able to kill bosses as fast as a Infiltrator Sniper (And it's debateable) but he

is definitely a better mook killer. 

I've been running this build since I gota my BW I yesterday. Pure, utter destruction. Make sure to avoid extended duration on Marksman, it's more useful as an instant reload.

[InvincibleHero]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

 dont forget the most understated point about the saber, it  staggers every unit.
 i dont think its better than the black widow overall though. 
totally different guns 

Yes the stagger is great. I can kill much faster with saber with many builds over BW. Also if you get swarmed with widow someone will have to revive you unless you can cloak and run. With saber I can gun and run without falling. To each their own.

[Stardusk]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

I prefer the saber and it doesn't disappoint. It has more shots than a three clip. The ROF boost makes it a sweet sounding death dealer.

BW kills bosses much faster.

Sure it has slightly higher dps, but if you have multiple targets saber is much better even for platinum. One extra shot while you reload your BW and it comes out pretty much a wash anyways. (The damage on headshot saber vs BW is less than 300 more without including mods and extra bonuses.) More shots per clip more clip DPS. the destroyer makes it a real beast.

I prefer the Saber on the T.Sentinel, if at all.

[N7 Whiskey]

@ Hero: I'm a Saber warrior myself so I get where you are coming from, but instead of using it as a big DMR on a Turian, you should be using it as really big pistol on a Krogan

[InvincibleHero]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

@ Hero: I'm a Saber warrior myself so I get where you are coming from, but instead of using it as a big DMR on a Turian, you should be using it as really big pistol on a Krogan

My krogans love shotguns. I can't make them use what they don't want to.  They like raaaiiderrrr and reeegarrrrr the most. Rarrrgggghhhhhh. Though I wish weapon weight increased melee damage.

[UKStory135]

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

@ UKStory: Don't you DARE speak of my Saber X in anything but hushed words and whispered praises to your Lord! Take back what you said, and I will consider your past record before passing judgement.

Also, will be expecting you Wednesday night to rock out with our........ new kits. You thought I was going there lol.

The Saber X is amazing on the Turian Ghost (IMHO as good or better than the Harrier X for good players) but it barely hits harder than the Paladin, has a lower overal DPS, a slow fire rate, high recoil, has a slow reload time, and is heavier.  The Saber is only better than the Paladin or even the Carnifex with the heavy barrel on only geth and turians. The Saber was my first UR at X, and I don't hate it, just in most situations the Paladin is better.

[N7 Whiskey]

Yes, Saber on Turian Sentinel w/warp debuff and Warp Ammo IV. Great combo. Also excellent on Havok (without Havok Strike) and using him as a tanky, highly mobile Designated Marksman with an amazing debuff power. Spec Fitness for melee to take advantage of extra 30% weapon damage and you have an unstoppable beast on your hands. All made possible by Cryo Blast-Stim Pack combo.

[UKStory135]

Stardusk wrote...

BuckshotSamurai wrote...

@ Stardusk: Topic title says you are a genius. I didn't say that you think you are a genius (I don't know you so I won't presume to know the answer to that).

Not sure if I started a thread about BW Turian Marksman or not but do know I posted it several times in other peoples threads. Still, others surely did it before I did so it'd be pretty frakin lame for me to want credit for the combo. I don't give two rabbit-curds about credit.

Furthermore, I think its wonderful that you brought attention to an amazing kit/weapon combo as others should enjoy the fun. The BSN MP forum doesn't have enough of those kinds of threads.
I just find the satchel-swaddling to be a bit much, and that's on the OP, not you. The BSN MP forum has too many of those types of posts.

To be crystal clear, I have no problem with you. If you start posting pictures of your in-game score every chance you get or geneally boast about your high scores, then I'll just feel sad for you. Its happened to BSNers who were previously good posters but got a bit too full of themselves. From the couple vids of yours that I've actually watched, you don't seem like the type.

I don't post pics of score, just videos about builds or themed runs.

You have never posted stuff for your epeen IMHO.  I do enjoy your music choices.

[N7 Whiskey]

That's it! You get the silent treatment for two games; sentence to be carried out at a time of my choosing, which of course will be totally random. This is in response to blatant lies! In all truthality, the Paladin is good but cannot wipe out mook mobs nearly as effectively as the Saber and has much more ammo. When the Paladin is capable od dealing out 16k damage in a single magazine, we'll talk.

Also, UPS should be here tomorrow with my Hornady 150gr SST in 7.5 x 55mm Swiss, so I'm pretty excited dude!

[N7 Whiskey]

And going to bed lol 1:45 am. Pffft!

[lightswitch]

UKStory135 wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

I prefer the saber and it doesn't disappoint. It has more shots than a three clip. The ROF boost makes it a sweet sounding death dealer.

BW kills bosses much faster.

So does the Paladin, which is in most situations, is much better than the Saber.

Why so?

This seems to be a common sentiment on BSN but as far as I can tell the only advantage of the Paladin is it weighs less. The advantage of the Saber is it has 8 shots instead of 3 (14 to 4 with lvl5 magazine upgrades). The Paladin reload time isn't bad per se, but I always get frustrated with it because the three round clip leaves absolutely no room for error in the clutch. The Saber is slightly more forgiving in this respect (never thought I would be describing the Saber as forgiving).

Of course the Paladin would be preferable for casters, but if someone is carrying a Saber on a character spec'ed for powers I humbly suggest they have the wrong idea.

tl;dr The Paladin and Saber do similar base damage but the greater clip size makes the Saber better for characters spec'ed for weapon damage.

At least that's how I see things, but I'm by no means stuck permanently in that way of thinking if you can give me a compelling reason I'm wrong.

Even further OT the Saber is a great mook killer, probably better than anything else in the game in the hands of a skilled marksman, but I always find it lackluster when it comes to killing bosses. This is why I rarely use it anymore.

[OneTrueShot]

What's that? A player that thought to use a sniper rifle on a headshot bonus character/powers?!

IMPOSSIBRU.

Wow, if that's what constitutes being a 'genius' these days, I may as well have invented teleportation, the cure for AIDS and the answer to world hunger.

Modifié par OneTrueShot, 07 novembre 2012 - 12:37 .