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[esper]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

esper wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

If he cared about the PC he should automatically think of keeping her as a mistress, not kicking her to the curb. If he really cared about that, he would NEVER do that. He would refuse to leave her.

And like I said, he probably has a ton of cousins and such out there who are also part of the "bloodline" crap just the same.

Alistair is the only known person off the blood line left. Marric was commiting adultery left and right so he properly isn't the last, but as far as he and Fereldan knows, he is the last left.

But all that doesn't matter, you or your characther, but it sounds more like you, feels personal let down by Alistair, you thought him to be more romantic good than he were. It is sad, but such is life and persons.  There were plenty of warnings in the game that it could happen, you simply thought Alistair a better/stronger/more romantic person that he was.

No. He's just an bumbling ass all around. Someone sound the VIRGIN ALARM.

I'm sure they could find another relative, hopefully one with half a brain, if they tried.

Now we're being mean to virgins? Would you like a puppy to kick too?

It was only one aspect of his "character" that made him that much more pathetic.

BSN have no trolling like a player scorned.

Modifié par esper, 08 novembre 2012 - 10:30 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

esper wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

JCAP wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

If he cared about the PC he should automatically think of keeping her as a mistress, not kicking her to the curb. If he really cared about that, he would NEVER do that. He would refuse to leave her.

And like I said, he probably has a ton of cousins and such out there who are also part of the "bloodline" crap just the same.

Or maybe he respects the pc??

That story of becoming his mistress is more like becoming his b*tch.

Sorry, but this thread is stupid.

Gaider, keep the good work.

Butterfly, stop making threads just for the hell of it.

Dropping her like burnt toast is most definitely not a gesture of respect.

And it's not so bad. You should go read about the many famous mistress of many historical men in power.

Being his mistress means watching as he marry someone else in an attempt to get an legitimate heir, and no as king he can't just do anything he want. In Fereldan the monarch does not have absolut power, he has power because he is supported by his nobles, you are attempting to dethrone Loghain by removing the nobles support.

Sigh, if you want a happy ending with unharden Alistair you should just  let him stay in the wardens, where he wants to stay. He get his most happy ending, you get to keep your mann and Anora gets her damn throne, everybody (expect Eamon) is happy.

The PC doesn't mind. The Queen's the one with all the burders. The Mistress is the one who secretly manipulates things from behind the scenes.

And yeah but the problem is, the whole game he's like "NOOOO I DON"T WANNA BE KING!!!!" and then you decide to do something sensible and punish Loggy by infecting him with drakesporn AIDS, but at the same doing something good so he can now be helpful to your cause rather than hinder it... and then that whiny little kid is like "NOOOO MAKE ME KING!!!!!!!" What a twit. Make up your stupid mind already idiot, we don't have time for your adolescent garbage.

That's why I always have Anora kill him. Goddamn I love her so much.

[JCAP]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

JCAP wrote...

Alright, this is obviously a troll thread.

Yep, seven pages long with comments from the Lead Writer of DA3... DEFINITELY a troll thread.

look at the OP posts...

[esper]

JCAP wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

JCAP wrote...

Alright, this is obviously a troll thread.

Yep, seven pages long with comments from the Lead Writer of DA3... DEFINITELY a troll thread.

look at the OP posts...

Just because the OP is... a bit emotional right now, I doesn't disqualify the subject.

I am going to repost my post about personal happiness /bittersweet endings again, because I am actually interested in talking abou it:

Since we are have been talking bittersweet endings
on the board, I think I would like to see a choice between those two
options: Being able to attain a great secure/stable/happy future for my
pc at the cost off perhaps leaving the world a little worse off, or
leaving the world a little better off at the cost of a sacrifice. Sure
the last thing is more heroic, but sometimes I want to have an option
for my more selfish characther. Da:o came close to it with the dark
ritual, but since the consequence of it never came in that game or the
following dlc it still feels as a get out of jail for free card-

[SilentK]

* snip *

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

And am I happy for it?

You mean, mean writers tore me up inside when my first warden put her lover on the throne, got dumped for it, didn't get to become his mistress, wanted to die killing the archdemon only to see her king take the final blow for her. The crowds cheered, my warden wept. Even Morrigan was angry my character had denied her! How do you think I felt?

And it doesn't stop there. My first Hawke was a mage and wanted to help Anders better their situation in Thedas. Screw the templars! Let's go to Elthina and make her tell Meredith she's being a big meanie meanpants who needs to back do-HOLY MAKER THE CHANTRY!

Choosing to join her lover in his forced revolution which had shredded and will shred even more innocent life under the idea that some day there might be a better world for mages was not an easy one, and was definitely not what I had planned going into the blighted game.

And that's why I've got DA3 on preorder already. Here's hoping my first DA3 character will be in for a barrage right in the feels as well. Please don't ever, ever change~ <3

Ha ha ha  

Still remember my little innocent first mage Hawke that I played blind.

She romanced Fenris, and as always he left after their first night together. "ME... You're leaving ME. But I am the Hero!?!". Just to spite him Hawke then flirted heavily with Merrill and Anders at every chance. Irritating Fenris was the new favorite hobby. More by chance than design she somehow ended up with Anders. (Had no idea Fenris would have come back had she waited)

Later in Act 3 I completely missed that he was fixing some sort of bomb. Simply didn't put it together even when we got all the clues from the quests. Hawke started having some kind of loving relationship with Anders in the end, I actually believed that perhaps she could pull through some kind of save of Kirkwall. Maybe just maybe. And then "Dammit Anders" *kabooom*. Remember looking at the screen in complete shock. Both me and my poor little Hawke were completely lost. All my ideas, what I thought would happen came falling down around me. In the end my Hawke somehow scrambled out of Kirkwall with the broken remains of the man she started wooing only to spite another man. Just when she realised that she did indeed love him, he broke apart.

Glorius!! A absolute kick in the feels      I will be getting a CE as usual when DA3 comes out.

Modifié par SilentK, 08 novembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[brushyourteeth]

I think rather than having some "personal happiness" for the protagonist, I look for some "personal justice" or "personal accomplishment" for the protagonist.

Every DA:O Warden was someone who'd suffered some great injustice, and nearly all of the origins featured a Warden who nobody expected great things out of. You rise from those ashes to join an elite set of warriors, build an army, maybe fall in love, save the world, and become everyone's hero.

Then you're granted a boon which can potentially right the wrongs that have been done to you your whole life, and your fame and the country's familiarity with your story highlight the social issue most relevant to your character.

Even a Cousland, who doesn't necessarily have any other "cause", gets the satisfaction of hunting down Howe like the dog he is. It was brilliant writing.

Even if you play a Warden that's miserable and alone, and you've alienated everyone in your party and on your adventure from start to finish, you get the job done. You're vindicated. You save the day. Your life meant something. Your name will live forever.

That's a good ending. That's even more satisfying than "personal happiness."

[esper]

SilentK wrote...


* snip *

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

And am I happy for it?

You mean, mean writers tore me up inside when my first warden put her lover on the throne, got dumped for it, didn't get to become his mistress, wanted to die killing the archdemon only to see her king take the final blow for her. The crowds cheered, my warden wept. Even Morrigan was angry my character had denied her! How do you think I felt?

And it doesn't stop there. My first Hawke was a mage and wanted to help Anders better their situation in Thedas. Screw the templars! Let's go to Elthina and make her tell Meredith she's being a big meanie meanpants who needs to back do-HOLY MAKER THE CHANTRY!

Choosing to join her lover in his forced revolution which had shredded and will shred even more innocent life under the idea that some day there might be a better world for mages was not an easy one, and was definitely not what I had planned going into the blighted game.

And that's why I've got DA3 on preorder already. Here's hoping my first DA3 character will be in for a barrage right in the feels as well. Please don't ever, ever change~ <3

Ha ha ha  

Still remember my little innocent first mage Hawke that I played blind.

She romanced Fenris, and as always he left after their first night together. "ME... You're leaving ME. But I am the Hero!?!". Just to spite him Hawke then flirted heavily with Merrill and Anders at every chance. Irritating Fenris was the new favorite hobby. More by chance than design she somehow ended up with Anders. (Had no idea Fenris would have come back had she waited)

Later in Act 3 I completely missed that he was fixing some sort of bomb. Simply didn't put it together even when we got all the clues from the quests. Hawke started having some kind of loving relationship with Anders in the end, I actually believed that perhaps she could pull through some kind of save of Kirkwall. Maybe just maybe. And then "Dammit Anders" *kabooom*. Remember looking at the screen in complete shock. Both me and my poor little Hawke were completely lost. All my ideas, what I thought would happen came falling down around me. In the end my Hawke somehow scrambled out of Kirkwall with the broken remains of the man she started wooing only to spite another man. Just when she realised that she did indeed love him, he broke apart.

Glorius!! A absolute kick in the feels      I will be getting a CE as usual when DA3 comes out.

Me as a player was when the chantry went boom, because I had seen the signs, but didn't think that bioware actually dared to do it. My canon Hawkes reaction was pretty much:... oh then I don't have to kill Meridith/Elthina unprovoked (Phew).

[TheButterflyEffect]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I think rather than having some "personal happiness" for the protagonist, I look for some "personal justice" or "personal accomplishment" for the protagonist.

Every DA:O Warden was someone who'd suffered some great injustice, and nearly all of the origins featured a Warden who nobody expected great things out of. You rise from those ashes to join an elite set of warriors, build an army, maybe fall in love, save the world, and become everyone's hero.

Then you're granted a boon which can potentially right the wrongs that have been done to you your whole life, and your fame and the country's familiarity with your story highlight the social issue most relevant to your character.

Even a Cousland, who doesn't necessarily have any other "cause", gets the satisfaction of hunting down Howe like the dog he is. It was brilliant writing.

Even if you play a Warden that's miserable and alone, and you've alienated everyone in your party and on your adventure from start to finish, you get the job done. You're vindicated. You save the day. Your life meant something. Your name will live forever.

That's a good ending. That's even more satisfying than "personal happiness."

That's along the lines of what I meant.

But it doesn't really feel like any of the wrongs have been righted. Cousland's useless brother gets everything and they get nothing. Mage is still just a mage to everyone. Elf is still just an elf to everyone; City Elf is still exiled from the alienage, and Dalish Elf is still exiled from their clan, and everyone back home still hates Castless AND Noble Dwarf's guts for no sensible reason, everyone still sees Castless as castless, and they all still think Noble Dwarf killed his/her brother (even though mine named his son after him), and they're still exiled forever.

[JCAP]

esper wrote...

JCAP wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

JCAP wrote...

Alright, this is obviously a troll thread.

Yep, seven pages long with comments from the Lead Writer of DA3... DEFINITELY a troll thread.

look at the OP posts...

Just because the OP is... a bit emotional right now, I doesn't disqualify the subject.

I am going to repost my post about personal happiness /bittersweet endings again, because I am actually interested in talking abou it:

Since we are have been talking bittersweet endings
on the board, I think I would like to see a choice between those two
options: Being able to attain a great secure/stable/happy future for my
pc at the cost off perhaps leaving the world a little worse off, or
leaving the world a little better off at the cost of a sacrifice. Sure
the last thing is more heroic, but sometimes I want to have an option
for my more selfish characther. Da:o came close to it with the dark
ritual, but since the consequence of it never came in that game or the
following dlc it still feels as a get out of jail for free card-

Emotional? Because a game?

And Santa is sitting in my couch in this very moment...


3 options, take your pick:

Or she is a kid, and loves stories where everyone lives happy forever;

Or she is mentally hill; yes, is normal to get emotional with the characters and the story, but it isn't normal loose our mind (or get "emotional") when we speak about a game.

Or she is a troll.

[brushyourteeth]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I think rather than having some "personal happiness" for the protagonist, I look for some "personal justice" or "personal accomplishment" for the protagonist.

Every DA:O Warden was someone who'd suffered some great injustice, and nearly all of the origins featured a Warden who nobody expected great things out of. You rise from those ashes to join an elite set of warriors, build an army, maybe fall in love, save the world, and become everyone's hero.

Then you're granted a boon which can potentially right the wrongs that have been done to you your whole life, and your fame and the country's familiarity with your story highlight the social issue most relevant to your character.

Even a Cousland, who doesn't necessarily have any other "cause", gets the satisfaction of hunting down Howe like the dog he is. It was brilliant writing.

Even if you play a Warden that's miserable and alone, and you've alienated everyone in your party and on your adventure from start to finish, you get the job done. You're vindicated. You save the day. Your life meant something. Your name will live forever.

That's a good ending. That's even more satisfying than "personal happiness."

That's along the lines of what I meant.

But it doesn't really feel like any of the wrongs have been righted. Cousland's useless brother gets everything and they get nothing. Mage is still just a mage to everyone. Elf is still just an elf to everyone; City Elf is still exiled from the alienage, and Dalish Elf is still exiled from their clan, and everyone back home still hates Castless AND Noble Dwarf's guts for no sensible reason, everyone still sees Castless as castless, and they all still think Noble Dwarf killed his/her brother (even though mine named his son after him), and they're still exiled forever.

Oh, I don't know. Cousland's useless brother would have gotten everything anyway. Meanwhile, the Warden gets an arling of his/her own, which is something that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

Elf is now a hero to everyone, and racist humans can suck it, because I saved all you worthless shemlen!! City Elf is most likely welcome in the alienage, as Shianni leads it now and you're a Warden (they get special access to everything).

Castless dwarf is acknowledged by the same uppity nobles that would have either ignored or cut him/her down in the past. Both dwarves get the pleasure of being kowtowed by the candidates for King of Orzammar. Both get their names written in the records, since they didn't "exist" before. Both become paragons and get worshipped by the dwarves forever if they die in the Blight, and most likely do anyway when they finally die later of whatever.

So, all told, I still think things turn out about as well as anyone could possibly hope!

[The Elder King]

n

TheButterflyEffect wrote...



That's along the lines of what I meant.

But it doesn't really feel like any of the wrongs have been righted. Cousland's useless brother gets everything and they get nothing. Mage is still just a mage to everyone. Elf is still just an elf to everyone; City Elf is still exiled from the alienage, and Dalish Elf is still exiled from their clan, and everyone back home still hates Castless AND Noble Dwarf's guts for no sensible reason, everyone still sees Castless as castless, and they all still think Noble Dwarf killed his/her brother (even though mine named his son after him), and they're still exiled forever.

It seems you either missed or ignored my post about this in the first pages in the thread.
HN Warden can be the second most powerful noble in Ferelden (with Gwaren and Amaranthing), or even King/Queen of Ferelden, and your father said that the heir was Fergus in the origins. Mage warden is stil a mage, but it's greatly respected, he's free to go where he wants, and is the arle of Amaranthing (and he can be the royal advisor). Neither the CE or the DE are exiled. The CE isnt' welcomed if you accepted Vaughn's proposal (And in this case he deserved the treatment he got), and the lives in a far better condition than in the Alienage, he's arle and maybe bann. the DE was forced to leave because he'd have died, not because the exiled him. Both dwarves became Paragon at the end of DAO, which is the highest achievement a dwarf can reach. And for the dwarves Wardens, this his a sure achievement, so either you didn't play as a dwarf or you didn't pay attention to the epilogue slides.

Modifié par hhh89, 08 novembre 2012 - 11:20 .

[Melima]

I still have it bad for Alistair -- this may be a permanent sickness in my mental psyche -- and so I have some empathy for 'TheButterflyEffect'. If you've done everything 'right' that you knew to do, and you wind up 'alone in a world without love' (I hear the song in my head), then you can feel that the game defeated you. Defeated, or cheated, you know, whatever, it's got some disatisfaction to it. My different characters as I played the different races and classes romancing Alistair, and explored every female ending with / without Alistair wound up giving me this cheated/defeated feeling, that I was really alone, no matter what the game said in it's epilogue, because my 'true love' was going to cheat on me out of 'duty'.

I did keep playing the game over from the different beginnings, saving at each important point, taking different options, with every romance the game offers, just out of curiousity, so I did eventually see ALL of the endings. The happiest for me wound up being found if I played a male character and married him to Anora. He could also run off with Leliana. (She's a character I never warmed up to in Real Life.) He could also find Morrigan, and run off with her into the Eluvian in DLC Witch Hunt. (So guys are luckier in this adventure, it seems.)

However, being a female, and being who I am, I wanted to be in a legitimate relationship with the Alistair character, free from the infidelity. That was the ending I wanted, since he was the one I most 'loved'. This only leaves me disatisfied, and longing for some better closure in DA III, in some side note (?) or story part (happy, happy, joy, joy!) that would bring Alistair back to me. (I know, I know, probably might as well hold out both hands, wish in one and you-know-what in the other...) Still, I'm hoping, because this cheated feeling lingers. Not only so, but it seems like a bad example to all females -- just my opinion -- cheapening them if they loved Alistair, thinking he would eventually do the honorable thing, marry them on the side without the 'Queen' title, adopt -- hadn't they learned from Sandal and the Dwarves in Orzammar, that it isn't all about bloodlines, and even Ferelden was willing to let Anora rule, so they weren't that tied into bloodlines. I thought I would get an interesting way that Alistair would somehow make it work. Maybe they would even have a child, because rumours are not always right, are they?

Okay, that's enough from me.

Modifié par Melima, 09 novembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[Auras_Mendalla]

David Gaider wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...
But if we're talking having misery endings for their own sake - no thanks. It's very Hipster... and to me it amounts to the worst form of emotional grab in modern storytelling. They are - to me - just as bad, if not worse, than saccharine endings.

I'd agree with that. I have no obsession with pain for its own sake-- and I think some of the comments prove that. DAO could indeed have had a very happy ending for you... provided you were willing to pay the cost, and depending on what your criteria for "happy" was. One could also look on DA2's ending as happy or bitter, depending on what was more personally important. So that's fine. My only issue was ever the notion that there should be no cost at all.

Indeed. That same complaint seemed to be the most levied at a certain other BW game's ending this year, and while I have minor quibbles with most games I've played, that certainly wasn't one of them. I love that this company's games always seem to have some sort of moral cost to completing them. I've been quite pleased with the complexity and ambiguousness of the Dragon Age endings in particular thus far (Anders!!!).

Happy endings are all well and good, but if it doesn't cost anything then it doesn't mean anything. 

[Scott Sion]

I'm not looking for a sunshine and rainbow ending, however I would like some closure. The warden, for the most part, got closure while Hawke really didn't get that kind of Closure.

[rapscallioness]

David Gaider wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...
But you have said multiple times that you like to do new things and don't like to retread old ground.  A rainbows and butterflies ending does qualify as something different for you.  Why completely write that off as a possibility?

I've never dove head-first into a barrel of razor blades either, but I doubt I'll ever try that just for the sheer novelty factor.

oh, god..lol. so, rainbows and butterflies is akin to a barrel of razor blades? oh, god..

The endings in DAO were excellent. Pure and simple. There was significant variety. And even the Dark Ritual was really cool. Well, after I got over having to watch Morrigan and Alistair do the deed. uuuuggghhh.

But the DR was actually intriguing. The whole concept. This old god...with a bit of taint being reborn into a human child...it's fascinating.

Frankly, I worry more about what the world of Thedas will try to do that Baby, than what that Baby might do to the world. And would the darkspawn be searching for that child. Along with others? Oh, I'm so worried for the lil one.

Uh, anyway, yeah bittersweet is great. I can deal. Although, throwing in a line at the end about how the PC and their LI...ran off, or whatever, really does not equate with relegating the whole game to a love story with everything else secondary. That's..no...

The romances add alot to the game. To the story. Imo, it does an amazing job of really dragging the player more deeply into the world that you all have created. The emotional connection is greater.

Even if you decide to be single, that choice to be single colors how you're rp'ing your PC.

Idk. You guys are the ones that thought it up. I think it's a brilliant idea.

[Kidd]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

If he cared about the PC he should automatically think of keeping her as a mistress, not kicking her to the curb. If he really cared about that, he would NEVER do that. He would refuse to leave her.

And like I said, he probably has a ton of cousins and such out there who are also part of the "bloodline" crap just the same.

You could also turn it around if you'd like and say his view of love when unhardened is too pure for him to allow it to exist in adultery. I'm not sure the game really says that can't be the case.

We're still playing bad wardens who make him king just to appease the country, sacrificing his own happiness for the greater good, though. He just happens to make a very similar sacrifice.

As for relatives, no, he's the last heir to Theirin blood as far as Ferelden is concerned.

[Lotion Soronarr]

PC's personalyl happines is not that important to me.

Wether I find it good or not depends on the setting and plot and overall mood of the story.
For a game like ME, a happy ending feels fake and all wrong.
For a game like KOTOR it feels right.

[Zobo]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

esper wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

If he cared about the PC he should automatically think of keeping her as a mistress, not kicking her to the curb. If he really cared about that, he would NEVER do that. He would refuse to leave her.

And like I said, he probably has a ton of cousins and such out there who are also part of the "bloodline" crap just the same.

Alistair is the only known person off the blood line left. Marric was commiting adultery left and right so he properly isn't the last, but as far as he and Fereldan knows, he is the last left.

But all that doesn't matter, you or your characther, but it sounds more like you, feels personal let down by Alistair, you thought him to be more romantic good than he were. It is sad, but such is life and persons.  There were plenty of warnings in the game that it could happen, you simply thought Alistair a better/stronger/more romantic person that he was.

No. He's just an bumbling ass all around. Someone sound the VIRGIN ALARM.

I'm sure they could find another relative, hopefully one with half a brain, if they tried.

Now we're being mean to virgins? Would you like a puppy to kick too?

It was only one aspect of his "character" that made him that much more pathetic.

I am a virgin and this hurts my virgin feelings.

Modifié par Zobo, 09 novembre 2012 - 08:46 .

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

rapscallioness wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...
But you have said multiple times that you like to do new things and don't like to retread old ground.  A rainbows and butterflies ending does qualify as something different for you.  Why completely write that off as a possibility?

I've never dove head-first into a barrel of razor blades either, but I doubt I'll ever try that just for the sheer novelty factor.

oh, god..lol. so, rainbows and butterflies is akin to a barrel of razor blades? oh, god..

The endings in DAO were excellent. Pure and simple. There was significant variety. And even the Dark Ritual was really cool. Well, after I got over having to watch Morrigan and Alistair do the deed. uuuuggghhh.

But the DR was actually intriguing. The whole concept. This old god...with a bit of taint being reborn into a human child...it's fascinating.

I must admit that I too am intrigued by the Old God baby and agree that the OGB did make the ending to Origins far more interesting. There is just this air of mystery about it and even if you are the type who views the Dark Ritual as being incredibly irresponsible (even though nobody knows exactly what the child will be) there is still the temptation to do it just to see the fruit it bears.

Medhia Nox wrote...
But if we're talking having misery endings for their own sake - no thanks. It's very Hipster... and to me it amounts to the worst form of emotional grab in modern storytelling. They are - to me - just as bad, if not worse, than saccharine endings.

But isnt that exactly the case with the Ultimate Sacrifice ending? I mean I guess this probably why the Ultimate Sacrifice ending just doesnt sit right with me, it just feels forced like every other bad outcome in the game and I feel it is pretty poor form for a game that does market itself as "Dark and Mature". It is like the player has to make a concious decision to screw up in order to make the game feel more tragic and it just doesnt work for me.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 09 novembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

How about we combine the best of both worlds? Everything seems to have gone perfectly, there is a wedding scene where you marry your waifu, you choose a house and decorate it, you have all of your party members over for dinner and have a great time. Then the templars or mages show up, break all of your limbs and the PC watches in horror as everything and everybody they've ever loved is destroyed. Then they toss the PC from the top of a tower or something and the screen goes black right before the PC hits the ground. Play credits.

But in one scene there will be some lyrium, so players can headcanon a lyrium theory where the whole dying horribly part was all a dream caused by lyrium overdose.

Everybody wins.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I must admit that I too am intrigued by the Old God baby and agree that the OGB did make the ending to Origins far more interesting. There is just this air of mystery about it and even if you are the type who views the Dark Ritual as being incredibly irresponsible (even though nobody knows exactly what the child will be) there is still the temptation to do it just to see the fruit it bears.

Which is exatly why it's irresponsible.

Because you don't know and there is a huge risk - a price that others may have to pay.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
I must admit that I too am intrigued by the Old God baby and agree that the OGB did make the ending to Origins far more interesting. There is just this air of mystery about it and even if you are the type who views the Dark Ritual as being incredibly irresponsible (even though nobody knows exactly what the child will be) there is still the temptation to do it just to see the fruit it bears.

Which is exatly why it's irresponsible.

Because you don't know and there is a huge risk - a price that others may have to pay.

True, but regardless of whether it is good or bad you just know something interesting will come out of it. Still if you will indulge my curiousity a moment what is your opinion on the Rachni queen? Is it not far more irresposible to release her on the universe dispite knowing full well their violent past and what they are capable of?

[Wulfram]

The thing which made the final DA:O choice work was ambiguity. You could make your own mind up about the Dark Ritual's likely consequences, and thus feel satisfied with whichever ending you chose.

If there'd been epilogues which said "Morrigan's child grew up into a horrible dragon monster and ate Fereldan" or "Morrigan's child grew up and gave peace and love and free chocolate to the world" then the ending wouldn't have been very satisfying.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Which is exatly why it's irresponsible.

Because you don't know and there is a huge risk - a price that others may have to pay.

True, but regardless of whether it is good or bad you just know something interesting will come out of it. Still if you will indulge my curiousity a moment what is your opinion on the Rachni queen? Is it not far more irresposible to release her on the universe dispite knowing full well their violent past and what they are capable of?

Well, something interesting coming out of it is a good reason for the player, but for the PC? Nope.
You might as well play russian roulette "because it's interesting".


The Rachnii queen?
Letting her go like that is irresponsible. Killing her with an acid dip is brutal.
There really should have been a more humane death choice..or an option to delegate that decision to the Council.