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[Psycho_Kenshin]

I'm a fan of Isabela and I see fans would like her to be in this game at least as a cameo. And while I agree, they may have painted themselves in a corner here. If they aren't going to show Hawke or the Warden in part 3, which has been the pattern. Isabela growing a bit and being with Hawke for me is key. If they just break them up to have her in the game solo a third time, that'd be weak storytelling.

If they don't want to show Hawke, it'll be tough to show Isabela without messing with that. I can understand that Leliana broke up with the Warden for example I guess, but having it happen two games in a row would not be good. And it'd really feel like they aren't letting characters grow or enter real relationships.

This is a bigger topic in general, how to handle the import things well, but just pointing out solo Isabela in part 3 would be bad, in my opinion.

Modifié par Psycho_Kenshin, 07 novembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[fchopin]

If she breaks up with Hawke then we can have a 4 some in DA3 just like in DAO.

[Scott Sion]

I don't think Leliana breaks up with the Warden. She says when you meet her in DA:O that the Warden is special to her or something along those lines (assuming you were in a relationship with her).

[The Elder King]

fchopin wrote...

If she breaks up with Hawke then we can have a 4 some in DA3 just like in DAO.

If the only thing that Isabela will do in DA3 is a 4-some, with no other relevance in the game, I'll be seriously pissed. There are surely other women who like orgy (plus I couldn't care less about 4-some).
If she'll have some relevant role in the game, I wouldn't care much.

Modifié par hhh89, 07 novembre 2012 - 12:01 .

[Psycho_Kenshin]

plnero wrote...

I don't think Leliana breaks up with the Warden. She says when you meet her in DA:O that the Warden is special to her or something along those lines (assuming you were in a relationship with her).

To me that says she remembers their time together fondly. Her current story doesn't seem to imply that she's still with the Warden. And again, if Leliana is in part 3 and they continue not showing Warden (or Hawke), well... how could Leliana be in a relationship with somebody who's never in the same location she is?

[Dhiro]

Isabela isn't physically tied to Hawke, they can be apart without having to break up you know.

Also, considering that the Warden is gone missing, Leliana doesn't have a lot of choice as far as being with him/her goes.

Modifié par Dhiro, 07 novembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[ScotGaymer]

Leliana broke up with the Warden?

Isabela is going out with Hawke?

Not in my universe they aren't!

In my universe Leliana was the Amell warden's ultimate "f.a.g hag" and Isabela was Hawke's best mate.
In my universe there is nothing to break up.

And one of the great things about DA is that there is no "canon".

They can put in Isabela if they want, even a Hawkesexual Isabela can be in, with appropriate handwaving.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 07 novembre 2012 - 12:08 .

[Psycho_Kenshin]

Dhiro wrote...

Isabela isn't physically tied to Hawke, they can be apart without having to break up you know.

My ending for DA2 was choosing to have Hawke go off and live on the sea with Isabela. If her ship shows up with her on it and not him... well, that'd be weak.

Ha, though, she could be in a bar for a cameo or something and say "Oh, my guy is back on the boat taking a nap", that is true.

[fchopin]

hhh89 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

If she breaks up with Hawke then we can have a 4 some in DA3 just like in DAO.

If the only thing that Isabela will do in DA3 is a 4-some, with no other relevance in the game, I'll be seriously pissed. There are surely other women who like orgy (plus I couldn't care less about 4-some).
If she'll have some relevant role in the game, I wouldn't care much.

Oh she will have relevance in DA3, she can always visit the bar to have a few more drinks and whatever else she gets up to for a few years just like in DA2.

[Psycho_Kenshin]

In my universe Leliana was the Amell warden's ultimate "f.a.g hag"

Leliana was a lesbian in my play as well (Warden was a female), ha just for the record.

And one of the great things about DA is that there is no "canon".

There's no one canon sure, but for the story to grow and go somewhere there's gotta be some consistency with your previous canon. And for me, a solo Isabela appearance, especially if explained via her breaking up with Hawke, would be taking her character backwards.

Modifié par Psycho_Kenshin, 07 novembre 2012 - 12:14 .

[Fast Jimmy]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Leliana broke up with the Warden?

Isabela is going out with Hawke?

Not in my universe they aren't!

In my universe Leliana was the Amell warden's ultimate "f.a.g hag" and Isabela was Hawke's best mate.
In my universe there is nothing to break up.

And one of the great things about DA is that there is no "canon".

They can put in Isabela if they want, even a Hawkesexual Isabela can be in, with appropriate handwaving.

The best thing to do would be to never mention Hawke or the Warden again and have no returns/cameos of previous companions. If they insist on keeping the import flags, at least. Nothing like having import flags that carry over information that isn't going to be mentioned at all!

Also, Isabella doesn't seem like the type that would go sailing her ship headfirst into a Chantry fight. When we first met her in DA:O, she told our Warden she was getting the heck out of Dodge with the Blight and civil war going on and that they would be wise to do the same thing. The only reason she stayed in Kirkwall was because she had to, she had no interest in staying in a war zone outside of being friends/lovers with Hawke. 

So I don't see why they would bring her back. Other than an attempt to further retcon her character and play fan service, I suppose.

[Wrathion]

She can show up without a romanced Hawke with it being weird. She would just have to mention off-hand were Hawke happens to be and why he/she isn't with her.
Personally though the Hawke I had romance Isabela is not easily motivated, I would just pretend she was sleeping in a fancy cabin all day.

[Fast Jimmy]

Also, I'm curious to see how they are going to address that these people aren't in their 20's anymore. Isabella is knocking on 40, as would Hawke and certainly the Warden.

Not that people at or near 40 can't do anything, but their appearances would be changing. If we had a male Hawke, would some Male Pattern Baldness be creeping in? Some crows feet around the eyes? Maybe a little graying of the hair in a world before hair dye?

[The Elder King]

fchopin wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

fchopin wrote...

If she breaks up with Hawke then we can have a 4 some in DA3 just like in DAO.

If the only thing that Isabela will do in DA3 is a 4-some, with no other relevance in the game, I'll be seriously pissed. There are surely other women who like orgy (plus I couldn't care less about 4-some).
If she'll have some relevant role in the game, I wouldn't care much.

Oh she will have relevance in DA3, she can always visit the bar to have a few more drinks and whatever else she gets up to for a few years just like in DA2.

Which is fine by me. I said that I'll be pissed if the only thing Isabela will do is a 4 some.

[Wrathion]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Also, I'm curious to see how they are going to address that these people aren't in their 20's anymore. Isabella is knocking on 40, as would Hawke and certainly the Warden.

Not that people at or near 40 can't do anything, but their appearances would be changing. If we had a male Hawke, would some Male Pattern Baldness be creeping in? Some crows feet around the eyes? Maybe a little graying of the hair in a world before hair dye?

Considering Leliana the women probable wont look any different. The dudes on the other hand Beards for Everyone! 

[Wulfram]

I think the game definitely implies that Leliana + Warden aren't getting much time together, considering she mentions she hasn't been near Fereldan for a while. Whether they've actually broken up, or are in some sort of long distance relationship is probably something to leave to head canons.

Or you could say your Warden moved to Orlais with Leliana I guess, though I doubt the games will offer much to support this. Or they could have already disappeared, though Alistairs dialogue doesn't really fit.

edit:  But more directly related to this threads subject, the Warden and Hawke have done their mysterious disappearing thing, so it would kind of make sense for the LI to show up alone.  Though I really dislike the mysterious disappearing thing.

Modifié par Wulfram, 07 novembre 2012 - 12:24 .

[PorcelynDoll]

I despise Isabela. I always turn her over to the Arishok. I hope she doesn't show up for me at all.

[Psycho_Kenshin]

Everybody has different taste, personally I love rogue-ish, devil may care characters (with a bit of a heart of gold), so Isabela is right up my alley. Though whether liking her or not isn't really the topic.

[Fredward]

So wait. Isabela, a strong independent female lady woman, cannot show up because she is so defined by her partner that she should no longer be allowed to show her face in public since she "wouldn't be the same"?

UNLEASH THE FEMINISTS! XD

[Darth Death]

Psycho_Kenshin wrote...

Isabela growing a bit and being with Hawke for me is key. If they just break them up to have her in the game solo a third time, that'd be weak storytelling.

Not really, since there are those who didn't romance her (myself included). BioWare has a lot to take into consideration. 

[Asch Lavigne]

I gave her to the Arishok, and given what Varric says afterwards, I want her to return so I can kill her or give her back to the Qunari.

[Wrathion]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

What PorcelynDoll said. Isabela's nothing more than your stereotypical shagsl*t walking around showing off her boobs and 'snacking' on sex whenever she can. It's even implied in the game there's a STD called after her. The hell, Bioware? Not pleased yet with all the Liara and Miranda fanboys you've managed to reel in thus far, so why not go with a similiar character in the Dragon Age series, eh. *sigh*

lol
They should really stop people that don't know what they're talking about from commenting. 
Her boobs are nice though.

...Anywho before I derail more. 
Now that I think about it, why would Isabela show up in DA3 at all? Unless you gave her to the Arishok and she's shown running around trying to assassinate Hawke. But then that whole romance angle wouldn't even matter.
It would be cool if every game after you can see her in a tavern...any freaking where in the world. *.* 
I would love you forever Bioware.

Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 07 novembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[Darth Death]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

I gave her to the Arishok, and given what Varric says afterwards, I want her to return so I can kill her or give her back to the Qunari.

Yes, please! The Qunari invasion, triggered by Isabela's selfishness, had innocent citizens of Kirkwall dead or captured. I so hope she does return in DA3, that way my PC may stab her with the murder knife, whispering in her ear, "Hawke told me about you".  

[ImperatorMortis]

It would be funny if Isabella broke up with Hawke. Mostly to see the reactions.

And this is coming from a guy who's Hawke got with her.

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...
Isabela's nothing more than your stereotypical shagsl*t 

Wrong. 

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...
walking around showing off her boobs and 'snacking' on sex whenever she can.

So what? Is there a problem with liking sex? 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 07 novembre 2012 - 02:09 .