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[CptData]

A friend of mine, who currently has no access to the forums anymore, Rudy Lis, suggest in the Ashley's Sanctuary Group the idea of crowdfunding upcoming story driven DLCs.

The idea behind this is simple: a lot of people want certain DLCs. In my case, I'd love to see a Virmire centered DLC that mostly features the VS (Kaidan and Ashley) in a series of missions similar to the Leviathan DLC or the LotSB DLC in ME2. Others want more stuff for Miranda, Jack, Thane, Tali, Liara, and so on. I think, we stated numerous times what we want, and neither EA nor BW are really interested to create certain story driven DLCs with extra romantic content for certain characters.
I won't go into details in that field regarding the content of each DLC, since it doesn't matter.

What -does- matter is: there is a demand of that kind of DLCs in the fandom, and I think crowdfunding might be an answer to get EA's and BW's attention in this matter.


Step 1
First of all, remember, crowdfunding usually bypasses the publisher as primary money source for a game developing project. Therefore, it's quite difficult to convince EA to jump the train and accept this suggestion - after all, it comes with several legal issues.
Keep in mind: it's not enough to talk to BW. We -have- to get EA's approval first, otherwise, crowdfunding any new DLCs made by BW isn't possible.

Step 2
I think if we got here, we made it already. Convincing EA is the hardest part in the plan. If we got it, crowdfunding can get started, so BW gets funded for additional DLCs. I think, the best idea is to create a crowdfunding pool for every single story driven DLC - no common pool please. The reason behind this is, to ensure, BW is not spending all money on one or two certain characters or plots but creates the DLCs the different fandoms expect.
So step 2 is to collect enough money for each DLC project to get it started.
As I said before, I'm against a common pool, like season passes or something like this. One pool for every project.

Step 3
That's BW's turn: they need to create those DLCs.

Step 4
Hopefully me make it that far. We get our DLCs, can enjoy it, everyone's happy. Profit!


Back to the beginning: though I like that suggestion I doubt it's going to happen. The main idea behind it is to make money speaking for us. We can demand stuff all day we want, but neither EA nor BW are forced to do anything. They can say: "yeah, we can hear you" but that's it. It doesn't mean it's going to happen anything. That's what the crowdfunding stuff does: it's a contract. It comes with money. And we, the fandom, can make sure our money is spent on the DLCs we want.

Just wanted to say that. Ideas on that?

[Remix-General Aetius]

terrible idea for a number of reasons. I'll just mention the most obvious one being that not everyone is a fan of the would-be selected characters. furthermore, all of the characters' stories are already dealt with in ME3.

Jack is doing her Grissom Academy thing and has already blown her main issues away, Miranda only cares about looking after her sister, Tali has geth issues, Thane is dying and needs daily medical attention so he's a no-go, Liara is already busy enough with her Shadow Broker responsibilities and there's nothing left for her to do, and Kaidan is sorting out his problems on his own, not that he's got much of them. Ashley....well she gets 86'ed on Virmire every time in my playthrough so I couldn't give a ****

in other words, pointless. Bioware would have to rewrite lots of stuff to accomodate these DLC's and make them fit. and do you really wanna divide the community further? can you imagine the rage and hate that will be thrown at the few people that got their wish granted by everyone else who wanted their OWN dlc to happen instead?

no, just no

/thread

Modifié par TheGarden2010, 07 novembre 2012 - 01:40 .

[CptData]

I'd have hoped for a positive first answer, but I respect yours, of course.

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Well, my main goal is still a Virmire / VS DLC. That character got nearly the same shaft as Miranda or Jack with exception that you can get them back as almost-mute squadmates for your crew.
I know it won't happen. Mostly because BW isn't interested in Kaidan or Ashley, I guess - or they believe / know they can't make money with such DLC.

Well, can say the same about the ME2 characters. It's a shame they never got a real plot in ME3, not even Miranda. The only one who got a real plot (and gives an idea what BW devs might have had in their minds for the rest of the bunch) is Mordin.

Modifié par CptData, 07 novembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[Asch Lavigne]

CptData wrote...
we stated numerous times what we want, and neither EA nor BW are really interested to create certain story driven DLCs with extra romantic content for certain characters.

There's been 2 dlcs so far, you're getting way ahead of yourself.

[Remix-General Aetius]

exactly, everyone is only concerned with what THEY want and to hell with the rest. the only thing that will come out of it is an extremely divided community. but of course as long as you get what you want, what do you care? that's why you wanted a positive first answer.

[CptData]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

CptData wrote...
we stated numerous times what we want, and neither EA nor BW are really interested to create certain story driven DLCs with extra romantic content for certain characters.

There's been 2 dlcs so far, you're getting way ahead of yourself.

Need to rephrase that line:

"Neither EA nor BW are really interested to create certain story driven DLCs which are the basis to create proper content for certain romances which got cut out of the game, bugged or reduced to few scenes. "

That's more like it.

[CptData]

TheGarden2010 wrote...

exactly, everyone is only concerned with what THEY want and to hell with the rest. the only thing that will come out of it is an extremely divided community. but of course as long as you get what you want, what do you care? that's why you wanted a positive first answer.

Well, I do support other DLCs as well.

But I simply don't support the idea of a "season pass" or "common pool" for DLC development since in such case nobody will get what s/he wants. Miranda fans won't get their Miranda story DLC if they have to put their money in a common pool and not in a "Miranda DLC project pool" - for example.

It's just that, nothing else. No "secret goal". I want my Virmire DLC, I support a Miranda DLC, I even support a Liara DLC, if needed - as long as I get what I want since ME2.

May sound harsh, but I'm simply still disappointed in some fields.

Modifié par CptData, 07 novembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[Asch Lavigne]

CptData wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

CptData wrote...
we stated numerous times what we want, and neither EA nor BW are really interested to create certain story driven DLCs with extra romantic content for certain characters.

There's been 2 dlcs so far, you're getting way ahead of yourself.

Need to rephrase that line:

"Neither EA nor BW are really interested to create certain story driven DLCs which are the basis to create proper content for certain romances which got cut out of the game, bugged or reduced to few scenes. "

That's more like it.

While I'd like to see some more of the ME3 squad I believe a lot of them have no reason to be seen anymore, like Jack, she's get her students, she's not just going to pop up somewhere just because, that's stupid. DLC where you're not Shep is never going to happen, and shouldn't.  I also think the main reason they were cut down to mere cameos was 1. so new players wouldn't feel left out and 2. way too many variables.

And again, there's been two DLCs so far, chill.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 07 novembre 2012 - 01:53 .

[CptData]

I just wonder what's going to happen after Omega DLC, Asch Lavigne. More DLCs? One last DLC? Or did EA/BW listen to the fandom and go into the romance story DLC territory?

I don't know. It was just an idea and, obviously, it's not one everyone likes it. Actually, I was expecting a lot of opposition.

[Sanunes]

The big problem is until Double Fine Adventure (and the others) have been released to market nobody really knows how successful these crowdsourcing projects are going to be. Yes they are making the game, but they won't make any profit until they start selling copies that aren't a gift to the people that supported the project and nobody knows if they are going to sell to people outside the group that funded the project.

DLC isn't to make fans happy, its to make money and the moment they stop making money they move those people to the next project, if it would be Mass Effect 4 or the new untitled IP there is a better chance to make money with those projects then a fan sponsored project.

[Asch Lavigne]

CptData wrote...

I just wonder what's going to happen after Omega DLC, Asch Lavigne. More DLCs? One last DLC? Or did EA/BW listen to the fandom and go into the romance story DLC territory?

I don't know. It was just an idea and, obviously, it's not one everyone likes it. Actually, I was expecting a lot of opposition.

We'll have to wait and see.

[SimonTheFrog]

Crowdfunding is for devs that can't get a deal from publishers because their ideas are to niche or risky for mainstream.

ME has a publisher.

Don't start abusing the crowdfunding idea for stuff BioWare and EA should sort out themselves. Just because they are incapable of keeping most of their core customers happy doesn't mean we should stop expecting them to do their frigging jobs.

[dead_goon]

Nice idea in theory, unworkable in practise, the community can't even decide which ending sucks the least, let alone the contents of any future DLC, and as for collecting and managing the money, i wouldn't be in any kind of a rush to hand my hard earned over to a random person on the net, whom i can't physically lay hands on should the need arise.

[Remix-General Aetius]

CptData wrote...

I just wonder what's going to happen after Omega DLC, Asch Lavigne. More DLCs? One last DLC? Or did EA/BW listen to the fandom and go into the romance story DLC territory?

I don't know. It was just an idea and, obviously, it's not one everyone likes it. Actually, I was expecting a lot of opposition.

of course you were expecting lots of opposition, because like I said not everyone likes the same characters. for one, I've had enough of Liara, almost sick to death of her, and Tali is always involved with the geth and there's more than enough geth in all 3 games. the prodigal sister story was never interesting to begin with (sorry Miri), I could go on like this all day.

all these characters were written this way so that there wouldn't be a need for extra screen time. their issues have been resolved. character-specific DLC would most certainly mean they'd have to be rewritten or they'll have to come up with an extremely embellished and cheesy reason to get back into it. besides they already hogged an entire game in ME2, and showed back up in ME3, we don't need more of the ME2 squaddies.

I'd rather have new people join the fold, INTERESTING people. get rid of crappy Vega, leave him behind on the Citadel like he wants and get me a new alien squaddie. park EDI on the Normandy permanently while they're at it. the female Turian on Omega is certainly a nice way in, she could make  a great squaddie if her backstory is interesting enough.

Aria, there's another potentially great squaddie. not much reasoning effort required there. yeah she retakes Omega and would seem like she's got lots of work to do, but with the Reaper presence she'd have plenty reason to join Shepard and help all she can, otherwise there won't BE an Omega to get back to. it's in her best interests to join the fight.

and of course some could say the problem with those two is that we already got a Turian and an Asari in the squad, how much different can they be? unless they pull the "human class" card and create unique powers for them, like Kaidan being a Sentinel and Vega being a soldier. luckily Multiplayer classes already solve that design problem for Bioware. so we're all good!

Modifié par TheGarden2010, 07 novembre 2012 - 02:09 .

[Chris Priestly]

Crowdfunding and Kickstarting, etc of different projects and companies is great, but not something we will be taking part of for DLC.

[LandoCalrisian]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Crowdfunding and Kickstarting, etc of different projects and companies is great, but not something we will be taking part of for DLC.

BUT I WANT A PONY DLC!

YOU OWE IT TO ME BECAUSE I PLAYED ALL 3 GAMES AND THOUGHT THE ENDING SHOULD HAVE A HAPPY ENDING WHERE ALL OF THE DEAD CHARACTERS COME BACK TO LIFE AND THERE IS AN EXTENDED DATE AT THE CITADEL RESTAURANT WITH MY LOVE INTEREST AND A LONG SEX SCENE THAT I CAN PAUSE AT CERTAIN POINTS AND A SECOND PLAYTHROUGH WHERE I CAN DO ALL THREE GAMES FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THANE! HE'S MY FAVOURITE!

AND PONIES!!!!

[CptData]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Crowdfunding and Kickstarting, etc of different projects and companies is great, but not something we will be taking part of for DLC.

That's the official word, I assume.

Well, we still can try to get our romance DLCs 'though

[stonbw1]

It seems like a decent idea for those blank story lines (Kal Reeger (sp?) at Palaven comes to mind) . It would be scary for BW though, because there is a risk that the fans would demand certain things "since we paid for it.."

[thehomeworld]

Crowd funding is a bad idea we'd also get more retcons if the crowds on the bsn can mount a large enough group to say we love x or its time people accepted y all characters would be rewritten to some extent for instance if one could amass a large enough group of real or imaginary users (via I make 4 accounts under 4 names you do the same, our friend does the same) then one could make Cortez bi, TIM a squadmate, and Aria captain of the Normandy and BW would think the demand was there and fund the items.

I think the bsn can say I'd love to have this happen but BW needs to not just look at the dollars and the preceived demand they need to look at the story and say can this fit into the story we were telling will this add to our story in terms of universe growth and character continuity and develpment or is this a pandering party that will actual degrade the universe we want to build.

Lucas is currently working on degrading is star wars films with each new change, rewrite, retcon, and add on he's focused on money no longer quality of the product and universe he originally created BW shouldn't take this road anymore then its already done.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 07 novembre 2012 - 09:13 .

[Freestate2nd]

I like the idea,only way to achieve our desires,putting the money on the table!

[Sil]

I think Bioware would be better off presenting us with three DLC ideas and allowing us to vote on which we want to see the most. Obviously I would not want this for -all- DLC, but it would be interesting to see how well it would go down and whether it would be a higher grossing DLC due to allowing the fans to -feel- more involved in the process.

[David7204]

The overwhelming majority of suggestions I've seen here on the BSN have been horrible.

No.

Modifié par David7204, 07 novembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Hm. I'd do this, but it's probably not necessary. Game seems to turn a profit still.

[Icinix]

Its one of those ideas that looks good on paper - but in practice probably falls down.

A big thing with crowd funding is getting the information out there, the marketing etc. DLC as it stands now doesn't need to go through that because fans will grab it if they want more of the game which has already been marketed.

Crowd funded DLC would probably just end up as a pre-order system for DLC more than anything else.

[Tymathee]

Too bad. What about crowdfunding for ME4, the more we fund, the larger it gets, especially for the PC version