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[Ieldra]

I'm wondering how it has come about that I react to news of ME3 DLC with trepidation instead of excitement. But here it is: I may be called to go to a place I don't care for, acting on behalf of characters I don't care for, in order to kill one of my favorite characters from the comics.

When will it end? When will ME3 stop railroading my Shepard into situations where he can't avoid acting out of character? It's been bad enough in the main game that complaints were common - can you say prologue, dream sequences and the Catalyst encounter? You'd think they've learned from it. Now I hear that there'll be an important decision - between Aria and Nyreen, two characters I don't care for, or about. And likely Petrovsky will have been retconned into the stereotypical villain's role.

Will we be able to double-cross Aria and recruit Petrovsky to our cause? He was a decent enough guy in ME:Invasion, right? Aria or Nyreen - that decision is meaningless to me compared to Petrovsky's fate. How could it not, knowing Petrovsky and Aria from the games and the books and Nyreen not at all.

If we're not getting a choice about Petrovsky, then I'll know that everywhere else in ME3 when I wanted a choice and didn't get one, when my favorite NPC came across almost like an impostor, when I got the impression that the story worshipped the conventional and unreflected feel-good morality, that that wasn't a fluke - but program. Ironically, apart from the Rannoch plot, ME3's ending might end up as the part I like best...

[MisterJB]

Nicely said, Ieldra. Needless to say, I wholeheartedly agree.

[mumba]

You know very well how Omega will turn out...
Right?

[GreyLycanTrope]

You get a choice with Aria and the Turian gal, that's the rumor anyways. Am curious about what happens to Petrovsky though. He was an intresting character, seems like a waste to just make him another raving Cerberus looney.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 07 novembre 2012 - 07:48 .

[Taboo]

Not to be crass but this was what I said when said you shouldn't aestheticize unmarketable concepts.

Petrovsky has put a blockade around Omega. People are starving. That isn't the person people keep telling me he is.

That sounds like a common thug. Harming innocents? He's just as bad as Aria.

Considering the person who wrote the comic probably wrote the outline for Omega I'm going to assume that Petrovsky's arc has been planned for a long time.

Ain't it hard when you discover that he really wasn't where it's at? After he took from you everything he could steal?

[mango smoothie]

I'm really hoping that we will be given the choice to work with Oleg at some point in the DLC, but yet my gut tells me it's not going to happen.

[MisterJB]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Ain't it hard when you discover that he really wasn't where it's at? After he took from you everything he could steal?

Funny, that's exactly how I feel about Bioware right now.

[xAmilli0n]

I for the most part agree regarding choice, but I actually know nothing about Petrovsky. Never read the comics.

Also, does your comment on the Rannoch plot mean you liked it or not? Just curious.

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
Ain't it hard when you discover that he really wasn't where it's at? After he took from you everything he could steal?

Funny, that's exactly how I feel about Bioware right now.

How does it feel? To be on your own? With no direction home? Like a complete unknown? Like a Rolling Stone?

I'm not suprised though. Considering Bioware's past actions I don't see Petrovsky amounting to much of anything.

But you still have Synthesis, which counts for something.

[jtav]

Petrovsky is, as of Invasion, essentially ME2 Miranda with military skill. He may actually be a bit nicer, going out of his way to minimize civilian casualties. Yeah, I want to side with him.

[Ieldra]

xAmilli0n wrote...
Also, does your comment on the Rannoch plot mean you liked it or not? Just curious.

Rannoch is IMO the best subplot in ME3. Tuchanka is really well-written, too, but marred by the idea that forced population control is bad per se, and the odd results you get when you take the numbers about krogan reproduction seriously.

[MegaSovereign]

I miss the good ol' days when we could speculate what future DLC could bring us and when Taboo was just a chicken.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Petrovsky's a military man Tabs, he follows orders, TIM's orders. He's shown signs of questioning that leadership but breaking the chain of command isn't always an easy thing. He has potential as a character.

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

Petrovsky is, as of Invasion, essentially ME2 Miranda with military skill. He may actually be a bit nicer, going out of his way to minimize civilian casualties. Yeah, I want to side with him.

He's blockading them in.

They're starving. Dying. He then attacked them when they tried to get food.

How is he better than Aria?

[jtav]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I thought all the ME comics were supposed to be awful. Is Invasion the exception or something?

It won't win any Eisners, but the art is serviceable, Petrovsky is capable and likable, TIM is cleverly manipulative, and Aria is badass.

[krukow]

Holy crap, he's the villain. A cartoon villain. I get that you all think he had cute character development in a D-rate comic book, but get over it.

Seriously, this is what's going to "make or break" me3 for you? Wether or not a high ranking officer in the bad guy group can be good?

[xAmilli0n]

Ieldra2 wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...
Also, does your comment on the Rannoch plot mean you liked it or not? Just curious.

Rannoch is IMO the best subplot in ME3. Tuchanka is really well-written, too, but marred by the idea that forced population control is bad per se, and the odd results you get when you take the numbers about krogan reproduction seriously.

Ah, thanks for answering.  Outside of a few things during the end parts of Rannoch, I agree.

[Ieldra]

Taboo-XX wrote...
Not to be crass but this was what I said when said you shouldn't aestheticize unmarketable concepts.

You mean I should't expect minority tastes to be catered to. Perhaps not, but seeing the same conventional stuff again and again gets tiring after a while. And actually, books do it better. Or perhaps it's just that there are so many books that there's something for everyone. As games there are not.

Petrovsky has put a blockade around Omega. People are starving. That isn't the person people keep telling me he is.

That sounds like a common thug. Harming innocents? He's just as bad as Aria.

Well, they had to put something bad in in order to make him a villain. And so he's as bad as Aria. You know what: that's the point. He may be. So why are we forced to work on Aria's behalf?

Ain't it hard when you discover that he really wasn't where it's at? After he took from you everything he could steal?

It would be nice if you stopped gloating, Taboo. I can tell you what is really hard: to hope, again and again, that there will be a story in a mainstream medium you can connect to. And to find disappointment again and again. As I said, it's ironic that ME3's ending might up as the part I like best, apart from Rannoch.

[Seboist]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I thought all the ME comics were supposed to be awful. Is Invasion the exception or something?

Lol,no. The only thing "good" about it is that it was a preview of the Derperus Sith Empire in 3.

[Asch Lavigne]

www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-07-back-to-omega-aria-and-nyreen-mass-effects-first-female-turian-star-in-4-hour-dlc

According to that article:
"The DLC will challenge players to ask themselves why they're supporting Aria. Is it because you want to use Omega's resources in the ongoing battle against the Reapers? Or are you supporting Aria's brutal revenge mission
against Cerberus, the pro-humanity nutballs everybody loves to hate? “

Take that for what you will.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 07 novembre 2012 - 08:06 .

[Taboo]

If he's as good as people say he is he'll step down and back off. Better yet he can side with us alongside Aria. Alternatively if he doesn't he can have his head reduced to a pile of goo by Aria.

Any of these endings is fine with me.

[krukow]

Or he could just be that boss battle everyone ****es about not getting?

[MisterJB]

Taboo-XX wrote...
He's blockading them in.

They're starving. Dying. He then attacked them when they tried to get food.

How is he better than Aria?

For one, his actions are all meant to protect humanity whereas Aria acts out of pure greed and lust for power.
I'm willing to hear his justification regarding any blockade. However, if it is as simple as what you suggest, then Bioware is simply writing him OOC. The man who wouldn't allow explosives to be used for fear of civillians casualties wouldn't just let people starve.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Taboo-XX wrote...

If he's as good as people say he is he'll step down and back off. Better yet he can side with us alongside Aria. Alternatively if he doesn't he can have his head reduced to a pile of goo by Aria.

Any of these endings is fine with me.

That would be fine with me too, what I'm worried about him getting the indoctrinated treatment the rest of cerberus got. I've had enough mustache twisting and cartoonish villainy. When I'm in a mood for that I watch scooby doo.