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[Xilizhra]

The Council. A three or four man oligarchy that is primarily concerned with perpetuating the power of the founding duo of nations. The asari and salarians break the rules that they themselves set up and do so with impunity. If they're going to cheat, so should we. The trouble is that TIM is callous to to the point of insanity.

In the postwar galaxy, the asari have lost their ability to cheat due to the destruction of the beacon. As for the salarians... well, I see relatively little incentive to prioritize rebuilding a people who basically sat out the war out of spite.

Then you'll never be fostering anything. Everyone is out for their own interests, even when they work together with others. Why do you think we see co-operation as a virtue? It *usually* results in a benefit. For both parties. Organizations like the STG and Cerberus are for situations where that doesn't work.

What I foster now is the Reapers, and the unity that Control can bring. I'll try to... encourage enlightened self-interest to be the only publicly acted-upon self-interest.

[silentassassin264]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Council. A three or four man oligarchy that is primarily concerned with perpetuating the power of the founding duo of nations. The asari and salarians break the rules that they themselves set up and do so with impunity. If they're going to cheat, so should we. The trouble is that TIM is callous to to the point of insanity.

In the postwar galaxy, the asari have lost their ability to cheat due to the destruction of the beacon. As for the salarians... well, I see relatively little incentive to prioritize rebuilding a people who basically sat out the war out of spite.

The Asari still control the galactic economy by having most of the eezo. 

[Xilizhra]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Council. A three or four man oligarchy that is primarily concerned with perpetuating the power of the founding duo of nations. The asari and salarians break the rules that they themselves set up and do so with impunity. If they're going to cheat, so should we. The trouble is that TIM is callous to to the point of insanity.

In the postwar galaxy, the asari have lost their ability to cheat due to the destruction of the beacon. As for the salarians... well, I see relatively little incentive to prioritize rebuilding a people who basically sat out the war out of spite.

The Asari still control the galactic economy by having most of the eezo. 

It isn't as though I'm going to deport them from Thessia for fairness' sake.

[CroGamer002]

Thinking there still won't be power struggle after Reaper War is naive at best.

War damage repair will only shrink that struggle for some time.

[Berg]

MisterJB wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
"basically a decent guy"

Are you sure that's not your interpretation again? Let's see how it goes and then decide who did what to who.

"Sorry administrator but inside the barricades we take no chances. I do this for all of mankind.
Aria! Look out!
Send in a medic. She's alive.
(To TIM)You'd never endanger so many of our people just for the sake of a diversion.
Think of that what you will. I wouldn't have sent this message if you didn't threaten to vent our troops into space. Too many of my people have died needlessly.
A real soldier's first command would be to send medic to the fallen. Get in there but be careful.
I didn't authorize explosives! There are innocents living nearby!
You've endagered every soldier on Omega!
What I am sworn to do. Protect my troops.
I'll evacuate the civillians I can before the firing starts.
(To TIM again) As for me, I am confident this victory means that our next defense of humanity will result in the loss of fewer of my soldier's lives. That is what we all want, isn't it?"

Yeah, he's quite a decent guy.

Worth repeating. An interesting character, who I really hope is still intact. Intelligent (albeit it slightly pompous). Looking out to minimize casualities - both civilian and soldier. Genuinely trying to defend humanity.

I am clinging to the hope that they knew what they were doing when they wrote him, and they won't throw that away just to have someone for Aria to throttle.

[Baldrick67]

jtav wrote...

Petrovsky is, as of Invasion, essentially ME2 Miranda with military skill. He may actually be a bit nicer, going out of his way to minimize civilian casualties. Yeah, I want to side with him.

Considering what Cerberus do to people, turning them into slaves via a form of indoctrination, i'm sure all those civilians will be put to good use. You sure know how to pick friends.

[wright1978]

Baldrick67 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Petrovsky is, as of Invasion, essentially ME2 Miranda with military skill. He may actually be a bit nicer, going out of his way to minimize civilian casualties. Yeah, I want to side with him.

Considering what Cerberus do to people, turning them into slaves via a form of indoctrination, i'm sure all those civilians will be put to good use. You sure know how to pick friends.

Cerberus is an organisation, Petrovsky is a person. I don't label individuals based on the actions of others and every cerberus officer shouldn't be labelled as being supportive of TIM new vicious tactics. Petrovsky has been characterised as a reasonable individual who cares about civilians and his soldiers so he shouldn't be character assassinated in order turn him into a moustahce twirling caricature.

[dreman9999]

Xilizhra wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Council. A three or four man oligarchy that is primarily concerned with perpetuating the power of the founding duo of nations. The asari and salarians break the rules that they themselves set up and do so with impunity. If they're going to cheat, so should we. The trouble is that TIM is callous to to the point of insanity.

In the postwar galaxy, the asari have lost their ability to cheat due to the destruction of the beacon. As for the salarians... well, I see relatively little incentive to prioritize rebuilding a people who basically sat out the war out of spite.

The Asari still control the galactic economy by having most of the eezo. 

It isn't as though I'm going to deport them from Thessia for fairness' sake.

It matter not if they don't have the means to transport that eezo.

Modifié par dreman9999, 09 novembre 2012 - 12:50 .

[dreman9999]

wright1978 wrote...

Baldrick67 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Petrovsky is, as of Invasion, essentially ME2 Miranda with military skill. He may actually be a bit nicer, going out of his way to minimize civilian casualties. Yeah, I want to side with him.

Considering what Cerberus do to people, turning them into slaves via a form of indoctrination, i'm sure all those civilians will be put to good use. You sure know how to pick friends.

Cerberus is an organisation, Petrovsky is a person. I don't label individuals based on the actions of others and every cerberus officer shouldn't be labelled as being supportive of TIM new vicious tactics. Petrovsky has been characterised as a reasonable individual who cares about civilians and his soldiers so he shouldn't be character assassinated in order turn him into a moustahce twirling caricature.

But he is a man who fallows orders.The question is how willing is he to fallow orders he find conflict with. Think a palidin getting orders from a corrupt ruler and legaly bounded to fallow or Samara fallowing orders from a renagade Shepard.

[wright1978]

dreman9999 wrote...

But he is a man who fallows orders.The question is how willing is he to fallow orders he find conflict with. Think a palidin getting orders from a corrupt ruler and legaly bounded to fallow or Samara fallowing orders from a renagade Shepard.

Yes, soldiers follow orders but the honourable ones refuse orders that they consider completely amoral.
He was clearly very unhappy with with the methods Ashe/TIM used in the comic as they were beyond what he thought was needed or what was acceptable. Turning civilians or his troops into indocrinated slaves is 10 thousand degrees worse and something  that if he isn't character assasssinated he wouldn't agree with.

[dreman9999]

wright1978 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But he is a man who fallows orders.The question is how willing is he to fallow orders he find conflict with. Think a palidin getting orders from a corrupt ruler and legaly bounded to fallow or Samara fallowing orders from a renagade Shepard.

Yes, soldiers follow orders but the honourable ones refuse orders that they consider completely amoral.
He was clearly very unhappy with with the methods Ashe/TIM used in the comic as they were beyond what he thought was needed or what was acceptable. Turning civilians or his troops into indocrinated slaves is 10 thousand degrees worse and something  that if he isn't character assasssinated he wouldn't agree with.

In normal cercomstances Honerable solders refuse amoral orde but that differs in the sitsuation of the extreme.
And a reaper invation is a sitsuation of the extreme.

Even we have the ability to place our squad in situation such as this.

Modifié par dreman9999, 09 novembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Taboo]

oh brother wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
"basically a decent guy"

Are you sure that's not your interpretation again? Let's see how it goes and then decide who did what to who.

"Sorry administrator but inside the barricades we take no chances. I do this for all of mankind.
Aria! Look out!
Send in a medic. She's alive.
(To TIM)You'd never endanger so many of our people just for the sake of a diversion.
Think of that what you will. I wouldn't have sent this message if you didn't threaten to vent our troops into space. Too many of my people have died needlessly.
A real soldier's first command would be to send medic to the fallen. Get in there but be careful.
I didn't authorize explosives! There are innocents living nearby!
You've endagered every soldier on Omega!
What I am sworn to do. Protect my troops.
I'll evacuate the civillians I can before the firing starts.
(To TIM again) As for me, I am confident this victory means that our next defense of humanity will result in the loss of fewer of my soldier's lives. That is what we all want, isn't it?"

Yeah, he's quite a decent guy.

Worth repeating. An interesting character, who I really hope is still intact. Intelligent (albeit it slightly pompous). Looking out to minimize casualities - both civilian and soldier. Genuinely trying to defend humanity.

I am clinging to the hope that they knew what they were doing when they wrote him, and they won't throw that away just to have someone for Aria to throttle.

I'm bummed about it to to be frank. I'd certainly like to talk to this guy. My goal is to get them both but I doubt I'll get that.

Oh well.

[Lawrence0294]

Getting Petrovsky and Aria to make peace would be fantastic........but oh so improbable.

[Taboo]

kratos0294 wrote...

Getting Petrovsky and Aria to make peace would be fantastic........but oh so improbable.

It won't really matter who is in charge of Omega in the ending. I DO care about who's fighting in the war though. I'd like nothing more than someone like Petrovsky fighting against TIM.

Aria does give you a fleet by the way, it exists in the first weapon DLC files.

And Phoenix! Think about what Petrovsky could do for Phoenix!

MEIN HERZ BRENNT!

[Steelcan]

kratos0294 wrote...

Getting Petrovsky and Aria to make peace would be fantastic........but oh so improbable.

. But we HATE CERBERUS.  just like we love Asari and Synthesis.

[jtav]

Personally, I'm tempted to leave Aria to her inevitable fate on the Citadel. Ah, spite. The last refuge of the disenchanted.

[dreman9999]

Steelcan wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

Getting Petrovsky and Aria to make peace would be fantastic........but oh so improbable.

. But we HATE CERBERUS.  just like we love Asari and Synthesis.

But we are ok with Ex-Cerberus.

[Taboo]

jtav wrote...

Personally, I'm tempted to leave Aria to her inevitable fate on the Citadel. Ah, spite. The last refuge of the disenchanted.

Actually everyone important makes it off. Super MAC said so. FACT.

The pen is mightier than the swords fellow plebians!

[GreyLycanTrope]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

My verdict was reached when auto-dialogue became more prevalent and neutral choices got the axe. The ground work for all of this was paved in everyone's favorite game - Mass Effect 2 - which is why I don't revere it as many people do.

Groundwork? It the dialogue wheel seemed fairly diverse to me in ME2, on occasion there was a third option missing but that was largely contextual, least that was my impression.

[GreyLycanTrope]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Yes, the groundwork. The foundation of change. This was no more evident than in Mass Effect 2's DLC.

If you're talking Arrival I see your point.

[Fawx9]

Taboo-XX wrote...

jtav wrote...

Personally, I'm tempted to leave Aria to her inevitable fate on the Citadel. Ah, spite. The last refuge of the disenchanted.

Actually everyone important makes it off. Super MAC said so. FACT.

The pen is mightier than the swords fellow plebians!

Ya, which was backpeddling at 1000Km/h from his previous statement.

[jtav]

And creator statements outside the work are meaningless in any case.