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[WhiteKnyght]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmph.

I just read that bit about executing civilians and sending the ringleaders to processing. Doesn't sound like the Petrovsky from ME:Invasion. I am....concerned.

And yeah, I agree about Aria's speech.

What I find highly resent-worthy is: the trash from Omega finds a reasonably honorable course of action, but a reasonably honorable Cerberus leader isn't allowed to keep his.

Did you miss the part where everybody in Cerberus became indoctrinated? What makes you think Petrovsky is exempt from that?

Even if he's not, just because he doesn't agree with his orders does not mean he wont obey. Unless he wants to end up like Captain George Armstrong Custer, who met his end in battle after defying his given orders and dividing his men.

Considering Oleg's fondness for military history, that seemed an appropriate comparison.

[MisterJB]

MegaSovereign wrote...

He created the Genophage and then framed the Turians.

It will be revealed that Oleg Petrovsky encouraged the quarians to go to war with the geth. Both times.
Extra emphasys will be placed on how child-like the geth are.

[Bill Casey]

Skullheart wrote...

Illusive Man: I need you to go and detonate a bomb on Tuchanka
Cerberus Soldier: Will it help us to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing it?

Illusive Man: Because **** the turians...

Later that week

Illusive Man: I need you to go and make a coup on the Citadel.
Cerberus Soldier: The Citadel, so we can use it to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing a coup?

REAL QUOTES
---------------------------------------------
EDI: An attack on the Citadel could be reframed as a human-supremacist political goal. C-Sec could easily be demonized. Their heavy turian membership and the Council's inaction in the face of Earth's Reaping means they can be classified as enemies.

EDI: Shepard, I'm keeping track of the investigation into Udina's actions on the Citadel. It appears he was motivated to seize power in order to launch a counterattack on Earth. Most experts and advisors would agree that such a move at this point would be doomed to failure.
---------------------------------------------
END OF REAL QUOTES

Illusive Man: Yeah, **** the Turians!


*Note:* Cerberus also stabs a Turian general with a poisoned knife; using a poison specifically tailored to Turians. And they are planning an attack on the Turian colony of Aephus, which you can thwart with the help of Din Korlack...

TIM fought in the first contact war, and in Retribution, the Turians launched raids on Cerberus facilities and arrested a number of cerberus officials on the citadel. It would have crippled Cerberus had the work at Santuary not paid off...

In summation, The Illusive Man now has an army factory, which grants him the ability to **** up the Turians's day, and he is using it. Because **** Turians...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 27 novembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[WhiteKnyght]

CHALET wrote...

Cerberus has never had morals. Jack, Gillian Grayson, Paul Grayson, and David Archer proved that. You're believing The Illusive Man's lies if you think otherwise.

Cerberus is also indoctrinated in ME3. And the Reapers don't have morals.

In the comic, Oleg is concerned for the safety of civilians when using explosives. He cares for the safety of his men and immediately sends medics to aid them, he dislikes the more dick-ish and "TIM" colonel he works with.

He may be an antagonist, but even if they kill him off he can be used to show not everybody in Cerberus is a complete tool. It's the same reason I really hated killing off the Spectre in Lair of the Shadow Broker. Use it as a player punch to show they're not so different (Shepard is working with a criminal, plain and simple),

Oleg also takes lessons from history regarding how to handle situations, he uses what works. Being in charge of an occupation isn't easy, especially when everyone will resist. And usually the most brutal leaders of occupied forces had success.

Plus, if you have the option to side with him, what do you gain? You'd essentially be siding wtih Cerberus, who you oppose in every other part of the game because they shoot you on sight and TIM cant see past his own ambition to listen to reason. And if Oleg betrays Cerberus to side with you, how will he maintain control of Omega? All his troops are outfitted with Reaper implants and loyal to the Illusive Man, and without them, he's one man against every pissed off person on Omega, and all of Cerberus who'd be fighting to take Omega from him.

Face it, unless you can convince him to stand down and side with Aria, he's a dead man. It's obvious before you even play just given the circumstances Mass Effect: Invasion set up. That might be possible, if Aria could get over her anger and get back to halfway respecting Petrovsky.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Bill Casey wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Illusive Man: I need you to go and detonate a bomb on Tuchanka
Cerberus Soldier: Will it help us to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing it?

Illusive Man: Because **** the turians...

Later that week

Illusive Man: I need you to go and make a coup on the Citadel.
Cerberus Soldier: The Citadel, so we can use it to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing a coup?

REAL QUOTES
---------------------------------------------
EDI: An attack on the Citadel could be reframed as a human-supremacist political goal. C-Sec could easily be demonized. Their heavy turian membership and the Council's inaction in the face of Earth's Reaping means they can be classified as enemies.

EDI: Shepard, I'm keeping track of the investigation into Udina's actions on the Citadel. It appears he was motivated to seize power in order to launch a counterattack on Earth. Most experts and advisors would agree that such a move at this point would be doomed to failure.
---------------------------------------------
END OF REAL QUOTES

Illusive Man: Yeah, **** the Turians!


*Note:* Cerberus also stabs a Turian general with a poisoned knife; using a poison specifically tailored to Turians. And they are planning an attack on the Turian colony of Aephus, which you can thwart with the help of Din Korlack...

TIM fought in the first contact war, and in Retribution, the Turians launched raids on Cerberus facilities and arrested a number of cerberus officials on the citadel. It would have crippled Cerberus had the work at Santuary not paid off...

In summation, The Illusive Man now has an army factory, which grants him the ability to **** up the Turians's day, and he is using it. Because **** Turians...

Except TIM is never presented as being petty like that. So your idea falls flat.

[WhiteKnyght]

Bill Casey wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Illusive Man: I need you to go and detonate a bomb on Tuchanka
Cerberus Soldier: Will it help us to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing it?

Illusive Man: Because **** the turians...

Later that week

Illusive Man: I need you to go and make a coup on the Citadel.
Cerberus Soldier: The Citadel, so we can use it to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing a coup?

REAL QUOTES
---------------------------------------------
EDI: An attack on the Citadel could be reframed as a human-supremacist political goal. C-Sec could easily be demonized. Their heavy turian membership and the Council's inaction in the face of Earth's Reaping means they can be classified as enemies.

EDI: Shepard, I'm keeping track of the investigation into Udina's actions on the Citadel. It appears he was motivated to seize power in order to launch a counterattack on Earth. Most experts and advisors would agree that such a move at this point would be doomed to failure.
---------------------------------------------
END OF REAL QUOTES

Illusive Man: Yeah, **** the Turians!


*Note:* Cerberus also stabs a Turian general with a poisoned knife; using a poison specifically tailored to Turians. And they are planning an attack on the Turian colony of Aephus, which you can thwart with the help of Din Korlack...

TIM fought in the first contact war, and in Retribution, the Turians launched raids on Cerberus facilities and arrested a number of cerberus officials on the citadel. It would have crippled Cerberus had the work at Santuary not paid off...

In summation, The Illusive Man now has an army factory, which grants him the ability to **** up the Turians's day, and he is using it. Because **** Turians...

Detonating the bomb on Tuchanka and blaming it on the Turians also prevents Shepard from gaining the alliances he needs.

And Udina was likely indoctrinated, as EDI suggested, which you conveniently left out. If not, you can chalk it up to the fact that he is not a military creature. He doesn't know the first thing about war strategy, and Cerberus manipulated that for their own agenda.

Reaper Gains: Udina seizes power => Sends all Council militaries to Earth => Reapers kick their asses => Galaxy left defenseless.

Cerberus Gains: Udina seizes power => Sends all Council Militaries to Earth => Reapers kick their asses => A lot less aliens in the galaxy and Shepard doesn't get the support he needs => Cerberus operates unopposed.

[DeathScepter]

Lizardviking wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Illusive Man: I need you to go and detonate a bomb on Tuchanka
Cerberus Soldier: Will it help us to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing it?

Illusive Man: Because **** the turians...

Later that week

Illusive Man: I need you to go and make a coup on the Citadel.
Cerberus Soldier: The Citadel, so we can use it to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing a coup?

REAL QUOTES
---------------------------------------------
EDI: An attack on the Citadel could be reframed as a human-supremacist political goal. C-Sec could easily be demonized. Their heavy turian membership and the Council's inaction in the face of Earth's Reaping means they can be classified as enemies.

EDI: Shepard, I'm keeping track of the investigation into Udina's actions on the Citadel. It appears he was motivated to seize power in order to launch a counterattack on Earth. Most experts and advisors would agree that such a move at this point would be doomed to failure.
---------------------------------------------
END OF REAL QUOTES

Illusive Man: Yeah, **** the Turians!


*Note:* Cerberus also stabs a Turian general with a poisoned knife; using a poison specifically tailored to Turians. And they are planning an attack on the Turian colony of Aephus, which you can thwart with the help of Din Korlack...

TIM fought in the first contact war, and in Retribution, the Turians launched raids on Cerberus facilities and arrested a number of cerberus officials on the citadel. It would have crippled Cerberus had the work at Santuary not paid off...

In summation, The Illusive Man now has an army factory, which grants him the ability to **** up the Turians's day, and he is using it. Because **** Turians...

Except TIM is never presented as being petty like that. So your idea falls flat.

That is why all of Cerberus plotlines within ME3 fails.

[WhiteKnyght]

Lizardviking wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Illusive Man: I need you to go and detonate a bomb on Tuchanka
Cerberus Soldier: Will it help us to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing it?

Illusive Man: Because **** the turians...

Later that week

Illusive Man: I need you to go and make a coup on the Citadel.
Cerberus Soldier: The Citadel, so we can use it to control the reapers?
Illusive Man: No
Cerberus Soldier: Then why are we doing a coup?

REAL QUOTES
---------------------------------------------
EDI: An attack on the Citadel could be reframed as a human-supremacist political goal. C-Sec could easily be demonized. Their heavy turian membership and the Council's inaction in the face of Earth's Reaping means they can be classified as enemies.

EDI: Shepard, I'm keeping track of the investigation into Udina's actions on the Citadel. It appears he was motivated to seize power in order to launch a counterattack on Earth. Most experts and advisors would agree that such a move at this point would be doomed to failure.
---------------------------------------------
END OF REAL QUOTES

Illusive Man: Yeah, **** the Turians!


*Note:* Cerberus also stabs a Turian general with a poisoned knife; using a poison specifically tailored to Turians. And they are planning an attack on the Turian colony of Aephus, which you can thwart with the help of Din Korlack...

TIM fought in the first contact war, and in Retribution, the Turians launched raids on Cerberus facilities and arrested a number of cerberus officials on the citadel. It would have crippled Cerberus had the work at Santuary not paid off...

In summation, The Illusive Man now has an army factory, which grants him the ability to **** up the Turians's day, and he is using it. Because **** Turians...

Except TIM is never presented as being petty like that. So your idea falls flat.

Mass Effect Retribution. The Illusive Man decides to use Paul Grayson as a test subject as retribution for screwing him over with Gillian.

TIM also insists on being their personally because his petty side wanted to see Grayson squirm personally.

Karpyshyn's novels describe TIM as being a petty man, but not if revenge would cost him too much. He had nothing to lose in that sitatuon, and debilitating Shepard's movement was a gain.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 27 novembre 2012 - 12:51 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Detonating the bomb on Tuchanka and blaming it on the Turians also prevents Shepard from gaining the alliances he needs.

And Udina was likely indoctrinated, as EDI suggested, which you conveniently left out. If not, you can chalk it up to the fact that he is not a military creature. He doesn't know the first thing about war strategy, and Cerberus manipulated that for their own agenda.

Reaper Gains: Udina seizes power => Sends all Council militaries to Earth => Reapers kick their asses => Galaxy left defenseless.

Cerberus Gains: Udina seizes power => Sends all Council Militaries to Earth => Reapers kick their asses => A lot less aliens in the galaxy and Shepard doesn't get the support he needs => Cerberus operates unopposed.

You are aware that in the after action report for the renegade conclusion to TIM's loyalty mission. TIM expresses deep concern over the destruction of the data, since he fears that without it, a cure for the genophage might be impossible and they would have to rely on far weaker vorchas.

Also. It is in TIM's best interest to NOT sabotage the Turian/Krogan alliance, nor have Udina send the council fleet to Earth. Since either of those would leave a far weaker galaxy, meaning that the Reapers will advance and conquer far quicker, meaning that Horizon has a far greater chance of being busted by the Reapers before he can conjure up the ability to control the Reapers.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 27 novembre 2012 - 12:53 .

[Bill Casey]

I don't see Petrovsky maintaining control of Omega, but I could see him becoming a war asset in the ex-Cerberus column...

Probably not, but it is possible...
After all, if Gavin Archer and Balak can be war assets...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Mass Effect Retribution. The Illusive Man decides to use Paul Grayson as a test subject as retribution for screwing him over with Gillian.

TIM also insists on being their personally because his petty side wanted to see Grayson squirm personally.

Karpyshyn's novels describe TIM as being a petty man, but not if revenge would cost him too much. He had nothing to lose in that sitatuon, and debilitating Shepard's movement was a gain.

I also belive that the same book says that TIM will gladly cooperate with Shepard or Anderson again in order to stop the Reapers. Despite the latter having just been the guy responsible for crippling his entire orginization.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 27 novembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[DeathScepter]

Lizardviking wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Mass Effect Retribution. The Illusive Man decides to use Paul Grayson as a test subject as retribution for screwing him over with Gillian.

TIM also insists on being their personally because his petty side wanted to see Grayson squirm personally.

Karpyshyn's novels describe TIM as being a petty man, but not if revenge would cost him too much. He had nothing to lose in that sitatuon, and debilitating Shepard's movement was a gain.

I also belive that the same book says that TIM will gladly cooperate with Shepard or Anderson again in order to stop the Reapers. Despite the latter having just been the guy responsible for crippling his entire orginization.

that is true. And I do remember that T.I.M. did think to himself  that he and cerberus would have to work with aliens to defeat the Reapers.

Remember T.I.M. is for science. And Paul Grayson is good test subject as another. Also I am so tempted to ask bioware to do a Cerberus Science CGI video in the same vein as Aperture Science. 

[WhiteKnyght]

Lizardviking wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Detonating the bomb on Tuchanka and blaming it on the Turians also prevents Shepard from gaining the alliances he needs.

And Udina was likely indoctrinated, as EDI suggested, which you conveniently left out. If not, you can chalk it up to the fact that he is not a military creature. He doesn't know the first thing about war strategy, and Cerberus manipulated that for their own agenda.

Reaper Gains: Udina seizes power => Sends all Council militaries to Earth => Reapers kick their asses => Galaxy left defenseless.

Cerberus Gains: Udina seizes power => Sends all Council Militaries to Earth => Reapers kick their asses => A lot less aliens in the galaxy and Shepard doesn't get the support he needs => Cerberus operates unopposed.

You are aware that in the after action report for the renegade conclusion to TIM's loyalty mission. TIM expresses deep concern over the destruction of the data, since he fears that without it, a cure for the genophage might be impossible and they would have to rely on far weaker vorchas.

Also. It is in TIM's best interest to NOT sabotage the Turian/Krogan alliance, nor have Udina send the council fleet to Earth. Since either of those would leave a far weaker galaxy, meaning that the Reapers will advance and conquer far quicker, meaning that Horizon has a far greater chance of being busted by the Reapers before he can conjure up the ability to control the Reapers.

The mission summaries in ME2 were reports TO the Illusive Man. Not his actual thoughts.

One of his men thought they'd need the Genophage cured to help fight the Reapers.

Also when the Illusive Man asks you to salvage the base, he basically shows that all of his acting from before was just that, an act. Shepard may have cost him billions of credits, but the Collector and Reaper technology was what he really wanted. Shepard was just a tool to attain them.

As stated in Ascension, getting Collector tech as payment from a deal is like winning the lottery.

[WhiteKnyght]

DeathScepter wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Mass Effect Retribution. The Illusive Man decides to use Paul Grayson as a test subject as retribution for screwing him over with Gillian.

TIM also insists on being their personally because his petty side wanted to see Grayson squirm personally.

Karpyshyn's novels describe TIM as being a petty man, but not if revenge would cost him too much. He had nothing to lose in that sitatuon, and debilitating Shepard's movement was a gain.

I also belive that the same book says that TIM will gladly cooperate with Shepard or Anderson again in order to stop the Reapers. Despite the latter having just been the guy responsible for crippling his entire orginization.

that is true. And I do remember that T.I.M. did think to himself  that he and cerberus would have to work with aliens to defeat the Reapers.

Remember T.I.M. is for science. And Paul Grayson is good test subject as another. Also I am so tempted to ask bioware to do a Cerberus Science CGI video in the same vein as Aperture Science. 

But when he decided he could control the Reapers instead, his opinion changed because he knew Shepard and Anderson would never agree to it.

He even tries pitching his plan to Shepard , then gets angry every time Shepard criticizes it.

Remember, those thoughts he had were before he saw the benefits of replicating Grayson and building an army.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 27 novembre 2012 - 01:00 .

[huntrrz]

xAmilli0n wrote...

I for the most part agree regarding choice, but I actually know nothing about Petrovsky. Never read the comics.

Also, does your comment on the Rannoch plot mean you liked it or not? Just curious.

From what I recall, he was an honest professional soldier - sought to minimize civilian casualties and objected to tactics that used troops as fodder.  And at the end, he was just discovering that his revered leader wasn't the man he'd thought he was...

[Dean_the_Young]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmph.

I just read that bit about executing civilians and sending the ringleaders to processing. Doesn't sound like the Petrovsky from ME:Invasion. I am....concerned.

And yeah, I agree about Aria's speech.

What I find highly resent-worthy is: the trash from Omega finds a reasonably honorable course of action, but a reasonably honorable Cerberus leader isn't allowed to keep his.

Did you miss the part where everybody in Cerberus became indoctrinated? What makes you think Petrovsky is exempt from that?

Besides that not everyone is (the scientists, for example), Cerberus indoctrination mostly goes through implants... which Petrovsky shows no sign of.

Moreover, how is resorting to 'he was indoctrinated sense then' not lazy writing?

[WhiteKnyght]

huntrrz wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

I for the most part agree regarding choice, but I actually know nothing about Petrovsky. Never read the comics.

Also, does your comment on the Rannoch plot mean you liked it or not? Just curious.

From what I recall, he was an honest professional soldier - sought to minimize civilian casualties and objected to tactics that used troops as fodder.  And at the end, he was just discovering that his revered leader wasn't the man he'd thought he was...

He also lied to the Illusive Man and allowed Aria to escape.

But he's been left in charge of an occupation, a hard choices job. And he knows Aria is going to return.

Not to mention Omega is full of Reaper tech implanted soldiers, Adjutants, and whatever other horrors Cerberus has dug up from beyond the Omega 4 Relay.

[WhiteKnyght]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmph.

I just read that bit about executing civilians and sending the ringleaders to processing. Doesn't sound like the Petrovsky from ME:Invasion. I am....concerned.

And yeah, I agree about Aria's speech.

What I find highly resent-worthy is: the trash from Omega finds a reasonably honorable course of action, but a reasonably honorable Cerberus leader isn't allowed to keep his.

Did you miss the part where everybody in Cerberus became indoctrinated? What makes you think Petrovsky is exempt from that?

Besides that not everyone is (the scientists, for example), Cerberus indoctrination mostly goes through implants... which Petrovsky shows no sign of.

Moreover, how is resorting to 'he was indoctrinated sense then' not lazy writing?

And how is 'everybody in Cerberus is indoctrinated, except him' not contrived?

You forget that most of the scientists left Cerberus before the Reaper tech started rolling out.

Some left with Kelly when they saw the depths of TIM's depravity.

Others left when they noticed their co-workers were disappearing mysteriously after making implants with collector tech.

[Dean_the_Young]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmph.

I just read that bit about executing civilians and sending the ringleaders to processing. Doesn't sound like the Petrovsky from ME:Invasion. I am....concerned.

And yeah, I agree about Aria's speech.

What I find highly resent-worthy is: the trash from Omega finds a reasonably honorable course of action, but a reasonably honorable Cerberus leader isn't allowed to keep his.

Did you miss the part where everybody in Cerberus became indoctrinated? What makes you think Petrovsky is exempt from that?

Besides that not everyone is (the scientists, for example), Cerberus indoctrination mostly goes through implants... which Petrovsky shows no sign of.

Moreover, how is resorting to 'he was indoctrinated sense then' not lazy writing?

And how is 'everybody in Cerberus is indoctrinated, except him' not contrived?

Since not everybody in Cerberus is indoctrinated...

You forget that most of the scientists left Cerberus before the Reaper tech started rolling out.

Some left with Kelly when they saw the depths of TIM's depravity.

Others left when they noticed their co-workers were disappearing mysteriously after making implants with collector tech.

Where in the game did 'most of the scientists' come from, though? Only a few dozen fled with Jacob's Brain Trust group, and only the idealists would be put off by the not-very-new instances of 'depravity.'

[Nickname Failure]

MisterJB wrote...

The tweets keep painting Petrovsky going after civillians; which he specifically forbid in Invasion; while the Talons; a bloody gang; protecting them.
It's so nonsensical it's not even funny.

I smell propaganda made by the Talons.

[WhiteKnyght]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmph.

I just read that bit about executing civilians and sending the ringleaders to processing. Doesn't sound like the Petrovsky from ME:Invasion. I am....concerned.

And yeah, I agree about Aria's speech.

What I find highly resent-worthy is: the trash from Omega finds a reasonably honorable course of action, but a reasonably honorable Cerberus leader isn't allowed to keep his.

Did you miss the part where everybody in Cerberus became indoctrinated? What makes you think Petrovsky is exempt from that?

Besides that not everyone is (the scientists, for example), Cerberus indoctrination mostly goes through implants... which Petrovsky shows no sign of.

Moreover, how is resorting to 'he was indoctrinated sense then' not lazy writing?

And how is 'everybody in Cerberus is indoctrinated, except him' not contrived?

Since not everybody in Cerberus is indoctrinated...

You forget that most of the scientists left Cerberus before the Reaper tech started rolling out.

Some left with Kelly when they saw the depths of TIM's depravity.

Others left when they noticed their co-workers were disappearing mysteriously after making implants with collector tech.

Where in the game did 'most of the scientists' come from, though? Only a few dozen fled with Jacob's Brain Trust group, and only the idealists would be put off by the not-very-new instances of 'depravity.'

Most of the scientests who left Cerberus did so before the Reaper tech started rolling out*

Poor grammar on my part, apologies.

[Dean_the_Young]

Right, no problem... but that leaves all the scientists and technical specialists who didn't leave. Since the primary groups of people who left Cerberus were idealists, and Cerberus is hardly a place lacking non-idealists...

I'm already of the opinion that Bioware's decision to simply indoctrinate every but Mr. Lawson who works with Cerberus was a missed opportunity and bad writing, but it doesn't even make sense. Cerberus's primary strengths have always included its spies and scientists and backers, and for a variety of reasons those are the groups you want to keep non-indoctrinated members... and honestly, you don't need them either.

Cerberus, even in the Reaper War, should have remained an organization with a wide range of opinions and motivations for those working with it.

http://social.biowar...scussion/18461/

[MisterJB]

Nickname Failure wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The tweets keep painting Petrovsky going after civillians; which he specifically forbid in Invasion; while the Talons; a bloody gang; protecting them.
It's so nonsensical it's not even funny.

I smell propaganda made by the Talons.

The twitters are starting to feel like slow torture. With each one, hope dims.

[Steelcan]

MisterJB wrote...

Nickname Failure wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The tweets keep painting Petrovsky going after civillians; which he specifically forbid in Invasion; while the Talons; a bloody gang; protecting them.
It's so nonsensical it's not even funny.

I smell propaganda made by the Talons.

The twitters are starting to feel like slow torture. With each one, hope dims.

To be honest bringing power back online isn't the stuff of Hitler.

[Nimrodell]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Right, no problem... but that leaves all the scientists and technical specialists who didn't leave. Since the primary groups of people who left Cerberus were idealists, and Cerberus is hardly a place lacking non-idealists...

I'm already of the opinion that Bioware's decision to simply indoctrinate every but Mr. Lawson who works with Cerberus was a missed opportunity and bad writing, but it doesn't even make sense. Cerberus's primary strengths have always included its spies and scientists and backers, and for a variety of reasons those are the groups you want to keep non-indoctrinated members... and honestly, you don't need them either.

Cerberus, even in the Reaper War, should have remained an organization with a wide range of opinions and motivations for those working with it.

http://social.biowar...scussion/18461/

Agreed - I still keep wondering why did they have to introduce another nemesis in the shape of Cerberus in Mass Effect 3 - we already had reapers and I kinda liked Cerberus as morally ambiguous organization, evil in many points but also the one that have idealists and misguided well-wishers (can I say well-wishers?). Again, I don't know, maybe the problem is with me and my not liking Aria - I honestly don't find anything compelling about her, I just don't care (especially if we're talking of solo in-game portrait). I perceive her as artificially bloated character because BSN posters are secretly in love with her pixels (perhaps 'cause it's Trinity!), secret dream of many players out there.

Well, we'll see today and tomorrow what happens. I'm just curious to see how the story will or not motivate me to help her (Omega is cesspool of the galaxy, and kinda while people keep getting huskified, I really want to see what will motivate me to make that side turn and help one criminal get her ground) - but I'm talking about the motivation that I'll care about (want to play new mission/campaign motivation doesn't count).