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[MisterJB]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
That circumstance wouldn't do well for Omega. If Petrovsky turns, he's one man. And if Aria is gone, Omega is left defenseless against Cerberus, and the next general might be worse.

Aria is a necessary evil, because she can keep Omega out of Cerberus' hands. And softening her character is a win in my book.

And Petrovsky doesn't need to be won over. The man is a strategist by nature. He switched sides all on his own because he was shown that Cerberus wasn't the winning side. As good as he was, Shepard was better.

They could have written the story so Oleg had gained great support from the population due to his attacks against the gangs; much like what happened with Archangel; and, if convinced by Shepard, he would use them to houst Omega from TIM's indocrinated soldiers. The Alliance could provide further support because they have an interest in keeping Omega in the hands of a human.

And I didn't like Oleg's "defection". In the comic, it was obvious he placed the goal of Cerberus; protecting humanity; above his own life so, it doesn't make sense for him to be willing to provide information on Cerberus just to save his life. It would have been better if Shepard could convince TIM no longer served humanity's best interests at which point he gives the information.

[Steelcan]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Mesina, MisterJB:
Getting a choice to win Petrovsky over and go against Aria would've made my day. It would've been easy to write - a man as intelligent as Petrovsky will surely wonder what TIM is up to and why he wouldn't ally with anyone else.

That's not the story they wanted to tell though. Too bad, but still what we got is much better than the worst-case scenario I feared.

I would have loved to space Aria.

[Ieldra]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
And Petrovsky doesn't need to be won over. The man is a strategist by nature. He switched sides all on his own because he was shown that Cerberus wasn't the winning side. As good as he was, Shepard was better.

You have a point here. The portrayal of Cerberus in ME3 occasionally makes me forget that the agenda of non-indoctrinated Cerberus people would still include stopping the Reapers as a primary goal. Still, I would've preferred an option for Shepard and Petrovsky coming to an understanding in that scene, because I'd like to play my Shepard as a strategist as well. They both know what's at stake, and that it's best if they work together. The question was under whose banner that would happen, TIM's or Shepard's.  

[jtav]

I thought he was okay. Not great, but okay. He's still a highly capable, honorable enemy my Shep would be delighted to call a comrade under different circumstances. His speech in the reactor was very good (both parts). The begging was a bit overmuch but I too it as mostly "I followed the rules. Murder is not how this works." It's not fantastic, but far better than the worst case scenario I envisioned.

[ste100]

This Petrovsky wasn't really great character... probably because of bad writing.

[Steelcan]

His surrender dialogue doesn't really strike me as begging for his life. It seems to me that he knows it is over and he wants to make himself useful. I think he expects Shepard to follow a similar moral code as he himself does. The "Rules of Engagement" so to say. He doesn't want Shepard to waste what he can offer because of petty grudges.

I also like the dialogue concerning Aria, and how he tells Shepard that he saved her life.

Modifié par Steelcan, 28 novembre 2012 - 10:42 .

[Lawrence0294]

Well....Petrovsky can live and is more or less in character from Invasion....

So yea i'm happy, i was expecting far worse.

[Nimrodell]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Mesina, MisterJB:
Getting a choice to win Petrovsky over and go against Aria would've made my day. It would've been easy to write - a man as intelligent as Petrovsky will surely wonder what TIM is up to and why he wouldn't ally with anyone else.

That's not the story they wanted to tell though. Too bad, but still what we got is much better than the worst-case scenario I feared.

That just could not happen now, given state of Mass Effect players toward the franchise - to be honest, since they announced Omega DLC and shenanigans with Aria, I thought that they are actually pandering to all those topics and posts that requested moar Aria! I said many times on this forum - I just don't understand that focus on her character apart from the fact that she's somehow virtual dreamgirl for many players... beats me, guess my feminine POV is ruining it for me.

But anyway, told ya you'll be actually ok with Petrovsky here and I'm glad that one more of your threads is so well visited .

I just wish BW didn't focus so much on combat and gave more to the story, ah well, can't have it all I guess. At least the episode 5 of The Walking Dead didn't repeat the mistake from episode 4 - too much combat kinda ruins it when you actually have interesting story. Now back to my sith warrior to fight for the Empire lol.

[iOnlySignIn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus people must do. Miranda, Brynn Cole and Petrovsky. And independents like Ann Bryson. It's not a coincidence that they all ended up in my list of favorite characters in the ME universe.

Brynn Cole is one of your favorite characters. The 20 lines or so she has in the entire trilogy is enough to make her a favorite.

No wonder you support Synthesis. 

[Xilizhra]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Miranda was redeemed.

What had Miranda done that require redemption in the first place? In ME2, Cerberus' methods were certainly ruthless, but produced results. Miranda makes a logical conclusion when theorizes had the Alliance had Geth or Rachnii as shock troops, many human lives could be spared. Be mindful, this preceded any understanding of the Geth beyond "a synthetic." TIM is who you can argue crossed the line, not Miranda.

Again, the rachni were sapient beings and it's insanely stupid to believe that a spacefaring race would be otherwise, or at least to assume it. And their "results" were rarely, if ever, worth the atrocities they committed to get there. Miranda herself probably didn't require much redemption for her own deeds, but it was nice that she helped take down the organization that she abetted.

And Petrovsky... I don't know. I won't kill him if I don't have to, but I hope he never gets anywhere in the Alliance.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Again, the rachni were sapient beings and it's insanely stupid to believe that a spacefaring race would be otherwise, or at least to assume it. And their "results" were rarely, if ever, worth the atrocities they committed to get there. Miranda herself probably didn't require much redemption for her own deeds, but it was nice that she helped take down the organization that she abetted.

And Petrovsky... I don't know. I won't kill him if I don't have to, but I hope he never gets anywhere in the Alliance.

"And the rachni were abandoned as soon as we understood their intelligece"

And their results are all that matters.  Would it be bad to use a cure for cancer discovered by Mengele?  No.

And Petrovsky's a POW not a toadie. He probably will get stashed on the Citadel with some comforts, but not much else.

[Xilizhra]

"And the rachni were abandoned as soon as we understood their intelligece"

It should never have been in question in the first place. They should have checked their damned facts.

And their results are all that matters. Would it be bad to use a cure for cancer discovered by Mengele? No.

Results can be useful, but just because I'll take his cure doesn't mean I'll feel any qualms about crushing his skull in combat. I'll take advantage of everything Cerberus has done that I can while eternally condemning their actions.

And Petrovsky's a POW not a toadie. He probably will get stashed on the Citadel with some comforts, but not much else.

I'll hold them to that.

[Steelcan]

You don't see it as hypocritial to use the end result of something you condemn?

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

You don't see it as hypocritial to use the end result of something you condemn?

No. It would be hypocritical to condemn their techniques and then use those techniques, but simply taking their results is fine.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You don't see it as hypocritial to use the end result of something you condemn?

No. It would be hypocritical to condemn their techniques and then use those techniques, but simply taking their results is fine.

Using the end result of a process that you condemn makes you complicit in the deed, condoning the action, sympathetic to their reasoning, take your pick.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You don't see it as hypocritial to use the end result of something you condemn?

No. It would be hypocritical to condemn their techniques and then use those techniques, but simply taking their results is fine.

Using the end result of a process that you condemn makes you complicit in the deed, condoning the action, sympathetic to their reasoning, take your pick.

No it doesn't. Almost certainly, I or those I'm on the side of would be working toward the same end if it's something that I use, it will have just been done earlier this way. I'll still say it could have been done better, but I wouldn't have work be repeated to complete a process that was already done.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You don't see it as hypocritial to use the end result of something you condemn?

No. It would be hypocritical to condemn their techniques and then use those techniques, but simply taking their results is fine.

Using the end result of a process that you condemn makes you complicit in the deed, condoning the action, sympathetic to their reasoning, take your pick.

No it doesn't. Almost certainly, I or those I'm on the side of would be working toward the same end if it's something that I use, it will have just been done earlier this way. I'll still say it could have been done better, but I wouldn't have work be repeated to complete a process that was already done.

So if the data from Sanctuary could have been used for Controlling the Reapers you would use it?

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

You don't see it as hypocritial to use the end result of something you condemn?

No. It would be hypocritical to condemn their techniques and then use those techniques, but simply taking their results is fine.

Using the end result of a process that you condemn makes you complicit in the deed, condoning the action, sympathetic to their reasoning, take your pick.

No it doesn't. Almost certainly, I or those I'm on the side of would be working toward the same end if it's something that I use, it will have just been done earlier this way. I'll still say it could have been done better, but I wouldn't have work be repeated to complete a process that was already done.

So if the data from Sanctuary could have been used for Controlling the Reapers you would use it?

I'd have considered it, but the Crucible/Catalyst turned out to be far more effective.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd have considered it, but the Crucible/Catalyst turned out to be far more effective.

It also came out of left field.  If the data from Sanctuary had been the basis for Control then it would have been grounded in the story.

It also would not require Shepard's death

Modifié par Steelcan, 29 novembre 2012 - 04:12 .

[Clayless]

My Shepard is far from a paragon but she always see's reason.

An unarmed man who surrendered, and who holds information, couldn't just be strangled by Aria in my books. I pulled her off Pretrovsky pretty quickly.

[Steelcan]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

My Shepard is far from a paragon but she always see's reason.

An unarmed man who surrendered, and who holds information, couldn't just be strangled by Aria in my books. I pulled her off Pretrovsky pretty quickly.

Same here, except She is a He

[Catastrophy]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

My Shepard is far from a paragon but she always see's reason.

An unarmed man who surrendered, and who holds information, couldn't just be strangled by Aria in my books. I pulled her off Pretrovsky pretty quickly.

I was tempted to Paragon intervene, but then I thought about the experiments and the Adjutants. I let her have it and felt a bit bad after it. But sometimes justice has to be done.

[Ieldra]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus people must do. Miranda, Brynn Cole and Petrovsky. And independents like Ann Bryson. It's not a coincidence that they all ended up in my list of favorite characters in the ME universe.

Brynn Cole is one of your favorite characters. The 20 lines or so she has in the entire trilogy is enough to make her a favorite.

No wonder you support Synthesis. 

20 lines are quite enough to establish a personality and make a character represent something. May I mention that Kate Bowman is another favorite of mine?

Also, what does that have to to with Synthesis?

[Ieldra]

dr_random wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

My Shepard is far from a paragon but she always see's reason.

An unarmed man who surrendered, and who holds information, couldn't just be strangled by Aria in my books. I pulled her off Pretrovsky pretty quickly.

I was tempted to Paragon intervene, but then I thought about the experiments and the Adjutants. I let her have it and felt a bit bad after it. But sometimes justice has to be done.

As ME:Invasion should tell you Petrovsky wasn't responsible for the creation of the Adjutants, nor for bringing them to Omega. He just used them after they'd been created, kept them from transforming any more people and tried to bring them unter control and improve their effectiveness as shock troops. Maybe that's ruthless but it doesn't put him anywhere near TIM. Of course players who haven't read ME:Invasion wouldn't know that and assume the worst.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 novembre 2012 - 10:27 .

[Mr.House]

dr_random wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

My Shepard is far from a paragon but she always see's reason.

An unarmed man who surrendered, and who holds information, couldn't just be strangled by Aria in my books. I pulled her off Pretrovsky pretty quickly.

I was tempted to Paragon intervene, but then I thought about the experiments and the Adjutants. I let her have it and felt a bit bad after it. But sometimes justice has to be done.

That was the sciance team stationed on Omega, Olegs job was to secure the station, take care of threats and make sure the region is stable. He is not a scientist, what Cerberus scientist do is not his issue, that's berween them and TIM.