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[clennon8]

I'm starting to feel like a celebrity. Someone is hiding in the bushes, peeping in through my windows.

[Ieldra]

Q.E.D.

[spotlessvoid]

Haha Bill Casey ftw!

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

No new dna?

What gave you that idea?

*snip*

Particles attached to DNA =/= new DNA.

[Ieldra]

spotlessvoid wrote...
" It's meant metaphorically."

Roflmfao

What's this :

Synthetics have no DNA analogue. Thus there can be no "unifying DNA". How organics are affected is a different matter.

[Bill Casey]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

No new dna?

What gave you that idea?

*snip*

Particles attached to DNA =/= new DNA.

So... why are particles being attached to DNA?

[Ieldra]

Bill Casey wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

No new dna?

What gave you that idea?

*snip*

Particles attached to DNA =/= new DNA.

So... why are particles being attached to DNA?

This is all speculation, but something has to facilitate the integration of technology on a cellular level. People have speculated that it's some stuff wrapping around DNA, others say it's an actual genetic change. I have speculated this is facilitated by symbiotes in form of clusters of nanomachines.

What really happens, nobody knows.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 novembre 2012 - 08:19 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

clennon8 wrote...

I'm starting to feel like a celebrity. Someone is hiding in the bushes, peeping in through my windows.

Hiding in the bushes is your specialty. Most commonly when you're faced with an argument you can't respond to.

[spotlessvoid]

I think there's one thing we can all agree on: One side has no idea what they are taking about.

[HellbirdIV]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

IDK.

So, you can't explain how Synthesis changes Synthetics (They are significantly changed somehow, as evidenced by the mint-flavored magic glow on them) and non-sapient life (And let's not forget the apparently now self-aware Husks! Some made up of multiple corpses!).

If you are trying to convince me that Synthesis is valid in your point of view, you've failed, because to me it seems like you are just emotionally attached to Synthesis as a result of the "Everything's happy now!" ending, OR just being contrary because you think it's cool to "Like stuff that isn't popular" like a bloody Hipster.

Synthesis is not valid, because evidence and logic lead to different conclusions than what the game tells us happened. When an allegedly "intelligent" story actually becomes dumber the more you think about it, then the story has failed.

It stops being suspension of disbelief when we are expected to analyze it. Unlike how Biotics work and FTL drives, which are merely fantasy elaborations on real physical concepts in order to facilitate the story and/or game mechanics, Synthesis simply tells us "It's all working out because I f***ing said so!", with no foundation in reality or logic.

"Synthesis changes Synthetics because Synthetics have DNA now. And their DNA is the same as that of organics, because I SAID SO, DAMN IT, NOW APPRECIATE OUR ARTISTIC HAPPY ENDING!!!"

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...


So... why are particles being attached to DNA?

Why does cytoplasm touch DNA?

[ghost9191]

well not me. i know what i am talking about all the time even when talking about subjects i don't get

[Bill Casey]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...


So... why are particles being attached to DNA?

Why does cytoplasm touch DNA?

That's like a response the catalyst would give...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 09 novembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[clennon8]

@Hellbird:  HYR has already admitted to picking Synthesis out of contrarianism. According to his own words, he checked to see what most of the people on BSN were doing, and then did the opposite. There is a strong underlying current of contrarianism with many of the pro-Synths, I've noticed.

Modifié par clennon8, 09 novembre 2012 - 08:25 .

[AdmiralCheez]

OP: Yes, you can.

Now stop acting like you need the fan community's approval for your own damn decisions.

[ghost9191]

damn it AdmiralCheez, this is way past that. how dare you try to get back on topic .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

OP: Yes, you can.

Now stop acting like you need the fan community's approval for your own damn decisions.

You sound hostile, admiral.

[HellbirdIV]

ghost9191 wrote...

damn it AdmiralCheez, this is way past that. how dare you try to get back on topic .

The topic...

... was lost....

... IN THE RIVAAAAAA!!!

[AdmiralCheez]

Lizardviking wrote...

You sound hostile, admiral.

Minor bout of insomnia.  I get scrappy when I can't sleep.

[DirtyPhoenix]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

OP: Yes, you can.

Now stop acting like you need the fan community's approval for your own damn decisions.

This 100 times. Why do you even care what do others think of your or your decision?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

HellbirdIV wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

IDK.

So, you can't explain how Synthesis changes Synthetics

Out-of-context quotes FTW!

"IDK" was about plants, bro.

(They are significantly changed somehow, as evidenced by the mint-flavored magic glow on them)

Artist's intent is obvious, they are trying to differentiate synthetics between Synthesis and Control rather than have the player ask "why aren't the looking different?"

and non-sapient life (And let's not forget the apparently now self-aware Husks! Some made up of multiple corpses!).

Husk brains would be much too far-gone to recover any individual personalities. Best explanation is that they are mobile platforms of the Reapers that control them, ala EDI/The Normandy.

If you are trying to convince me that Synthesis is valid in your point of view, you've failed, because to me it seems like you are just emotionally attached to Synthesis as a result of the "Everything's happy now!" ending,

EC made it as positive as it is. I picked it before that.

There's a reason it's a positive epilogue too, there's no real downside to the decision. Namely, no destruction of tech we rely on/further devastation ala Destroy. At worst, you have people who are angry they've been altered, rather than be glad the war is over. Otherwise, things are looking up because of advancement... who'da thunk it?

Oh, that's right, we who chose it did.

OR just being contrary because you think it's cool to "Like stuff that isn't popular" like a bloody Hipster.

Hey, I'm cool with Destroy and everything. It's just not my canon pick.

Synthesis is not valid, because evidence and logic lead to different conclusions than what the game tells us happened.

I could say that about a lot of plot points that the fans eat up without questioning.

It stops being suspension of disbelief when we are expected to analyze it. Unlike how Biotics work and FTL drives, which are merely fantasy elaborations on real physical concepts in order to facilitate the story and/or game mechanics, Synthesis simply tells us "It's all working out because I f***ing said so!", with no foundation in reality or logic.

"Hi, I'm Javik. I can read your DNA through touch and learn your language through it."

Call me a cynic, but I stopped kidding myself about suspension-of-disbelief in Mass Effect loooong ago.

[spotlessvoid]

You people dodge more than half the questions asked of you.

[Ieldra]

@HellbirdIV:
I can't speak for HYR, but as for a consistent picture of Synthesis and what it actually does you might try the OP of my Synthesis thread (link in my sig).

As for why I pick Synthesis: When it comes down to it, I do it because it results in the most interesting and exotic future, and because it carries a spirit of advancement and ascension.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 novembre 2012 - 08:40 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

You sound hostile, admiral.

Minor bout of insomnia.  I get scrappy when I can't sleep.

I see. I offer my sympathy.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bill Casey wrote...


That's like a response the catalyst would give...

As usual, you fail to get my point.

Anyway, is this the new Godwin's law? "Hey, that kinda sounds like the catalyst/Reapers to me!"

Godwin's is quite popular around here as is. Suppose it's only fitting...

clennon8 wrote...

@Hellbird:  HYR has already admitted to picking Synthesis out of contrarianism. According to his own words, he checked to see what most of the people on BSN were doing, and then did the opposite.

Gross exaggeration is gross.