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[Xilizhra]

actually they would. the geth that came before would be dead. but again the race would go on, just like what happened to the batarians you murdered

Not all batarians are dead, but all geth would be.

and yes because shepard taking over the galaxy will go over well with everyone. and doesn't matter. still putting synthetics on top ,

Better that one AI hold power over the Reapers than billions die.

[ghost9191]

Xilizhra wrote...

means a hell of a lot more then betrayal , oh and slavery . and oh and omnipotent dictators ,

I may control the Reapers, but it's better for them than death. And I'm not betraying anyone, nor will I be dictatorial.

actualy as soon as you kill your shepard and make a AI it becomes a dictator

and you tell yourself that. destroying what they were is still killing them  , just a bit more twisted , nothing like taking away what someone is and forcing them into slavery, no that is 10x better then just killing them out right ., great way to become your enemy i suppose

[ghost9191]

Xilizhra wrote...

actually they would. the geth that came before would be dead. but again the race would go on, just like what happened to the batarians you murdered

Not all batarians are dead, but all geth would be.

and yes because shepard taking over the galaxy will go over well with everyone. and doesn't matter. still putting synthetics on top ,

Better that one AI hold power over the Reapers than billions die.

right , megalomaniac says what ? same sh*t . the geth can have more made. race will go on even though most died. same as batarians. they are gone forever , but the race will live on. can't argue that. keep saying they die because that gets you far

[CosmicGnosis]

The Hegelian Dialectic:

Thesis - Destroy
Antithesis - Control
Synthesis - Yeah...

[Bill Casey]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I agree with everything that Synthesis is, except for the fact that it's forced on everyone. That's it.

So you're okay with people being altered to be peaceful?

[Bill Casey]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

The Hegelian Dialectic:

Thesis - Destroy
Antithesis - Control
Synthesis - Yeah...

It destroys everyone a little, and it controls everyone a little...
Sounds like the perfect compromise...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 novembre 2012 - 07:02 .

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I agree with everything that Synthesis is, except for the fact that it's forced on everyone. That's it.

So you're okay with people being altered to be peaceful?

I don't think that's what happens. It's possible, but I like to think that the technology gives everyone easier access to knowledge, and by accessing that knowledge, people are more likely to empathize with others.

Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 08 novembre 2012 - 07:06 .

[Xilizhra]

actualy as soon as you kill your shepard and make a AI it becomes a dictator

and you tell yourself that. destroying what they were is still killing them , just a bit more twisted , nothing like taking away what someone is and forcing them into slavery, no that is 10x better then just killing them out right ., great way to become your enemy i suppose

I'm staying out of most galactic governing affairs, and the Reapers were already enslaved; I'm just changing the guard until they can be released.

right , megalomaniac says what ? same sh*t . the geth can have more made. race will go on even though most died. same as batarians. they are gone forever , but the race will live on. can't argue that. keep saying they die because that gets you far

The geth can't go on; their civilization and entire population have been wiped out. A new geth civilization could be made, but it'll never be the same.

[ghost9191]

@Cosmic

all endings have their ups and downs. just follow your gut man . as said your shep has no one to call on at the time. so just make a decision

no one can tell you what to pick. and threads like these will just have ppl going around in circles. like me trying to convince Xilizhra both control and destroy are bad ,

so anywho . choose one. then start bashing ( or not ) ppl for their choice

[Vigilant111]

Xilizhra wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

OP: If I remember correctly you intended not to make any more threads about the ending? correct me if I misunderstood

Is this thread one of those "I know you are but what am I?" thread?

I do not recall headcanoning anything positive apart from reapers are destroyed and that people are free to choose their path... Wait, that is not a headcanon is it? Man, you tricked me...

Well, except for all the people you murdered. And the ones the Leviathans might claim.

What? The murder of the Geth and EDI is not a headcanon, it is a fact

[Bill Casey]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I agree with everything that Synthesis is, except for the fact that it's forced on everyone. That's it.

So you're okay with people being altered to be peaceful?

I don't think that's what happens. It's possible, but I like to think that the technology gives everyone easier access to knowledge, and by accessing that knowledge, people are more likely to empathize with others.

Then why don't the reapers just stop the harvest, right now?
Why do you have to alter people to appease them?

What's so wrong and offensive about organics and synthetics?
I thought synthesis was inevitable, so why don't they just stop?

I thought it couldn't be forced...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 novembre 2012 - 07:18 .

[ghost9191]

Xilizhra wrote...

actualy as soon as you kill your shepard and make a AI it becomes a dictator

and you tell yourself that. destroying what they were is still killing them , just a bit more twisted , nothing like taking away what someone is and forcing them into slavery, no that is 10x better then just killing them out right ., great way to become your enemy i suppose

I'm staying out of most galactic governing affairs, and the Reapers were already enslaved; I'm just changing the guard until they can be released.

right , megalomaniac says what ? same sh*t . the geth can have more made. race will go on even though most died. same as batarians. they are gone forever , but the race will live on. can't argue that. keep saying they die because that gets you far

The geth can't go on; their civilization and entire population have been wiped out. A new geth civilization could be made, but it'll never be the same.

1) yeah well good thing you didn't kill off your shepard giving power to a AI , least you control the out come . and because they were already enslaved means that it is al right. you are changin them again . forcing them to do something that they may not want to . same as the old catalyst . but hey as long as you are going to free them when you are finished with them. that totally makes slavery right   oh and the fact your going to turn lose a reaper threat , again , totally won't backfire :innocent:

2) again the race will live on. and the dumba*ses probably had a back up somewhere. or a file marked geth civilization , if not that is there problem .

but again race still goes on. if they get rebuilt that is . but interesting coming from someone that wants to jump in the same boat as machines that destroyed countless civilizations,  the catalyst forced my hand . totally not my fault:innocent:

[ghost9191]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

OP: If I remember correctly you intended not to make any more threads about the ending? correct me if I misunderstood

Is this thread one of those "I know you are but what am I?" thread?

I do not recall headcanoning anything positive apart from reapers are destroyed and that people are free to choose their path... Wait, that is not a headcanon is it? Man, you tricked me...

Well, except for all the people you murdered. And the ones the Leviathans might claim.

What? The murder of the Geth and EDI is not a headcanon, it is a fact

" we tried to deactivate them, it wasn't murder"

[Vigilant111]

Hahaha, "already enslaved..."

So two wrongs make one right? Are you saying reapers LIKE to be enslaved?

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I agree with everything that Synthesis is, except for the fact that it's forced on everyone. That's it.

So you're okay with people being altered to be peaceful?

I don't think that's what happens. It's possible, but I like to think that the technology gives everyone easier access to knowledge, and by accessing that knowledge, people are more likely to empathize with others.

Then why don't the reapers just stop the harvest, right now?
Why do you have to alter people to appease them?

What's so wrong and offensive about organics and synthetics?
I thought synthesis was inevitable, so why don't they just stop?

I suspect that the Catalyst can't abandon its mission. It has no self-determination. It is bound to its mission to preserve organic life at all costs. If you don't use the Crucible, then it has no choice but to continue its current solution. Interestingly, Synthesis could be considered an admission from the Catalyst that its mission is futile.

[Bill Casey]

But it would preserve organic life if it just stopped...

[ghost9191]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I agree with everything that Synthesis is, except for the fact that it's forced on everyone. That's it.

So you're okay with people being altered to be peaceful?

I don't think that's what happens. It's possible, but I like to think that the technology gives everyone easier access to knowledge, and by accessing that knowledge, people are more likely to empathize with others.

Then why don't the reapers just stop the harvest, right now?
Why do you have to alter people to appease them?

What's so wrong and offensive about organics and synthetics?
I thought synthesis was inevitable, so why don't they just stop?

I suspect that the Catalyst can't abandon its mission. It has no self-determination. It is bound to its mission to preserve organic life at all costs. If you don't use the Crucible, then it has no choice but to continue its current solution. Interestingly, Synthesis could be considered an admission from the Catalyst that its mission is futile.

actually synthesis is part of its mission. that is what will stop the cycles to it. as said it has tried it before.

not saying don't pick it because of that , but it is its solution to the problem , the end all. but the catalyst could never do it

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

But it would preserve organic life if it just stopped...

Not in the grand scheme of things, which is what it's obsessed with. I guess Synthesis creates the singularity, but allows organics to be a part of it. It's possible that it could happen on its own, but it's more likely that organics will destroy themselves before they achieve it.

[LilyasAvalon]

...Kay', have fun with that.

[Bill Casey]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

But it would preserve organic life if it just stopped...

Not in the grand scheme of things, which is what it's obsessed with. I guess Synthesis creates the singularity, but allows organics to be a part of it. It's possible that it could happen on its own, but it's more likely that organics will destroy themselves before they achieve it.

But the catalyst just said it was inevitable we will achieve synthesis, just now...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 novembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[Bill Casey]

Also, I find it hard to believe you aren't bothered by EDI's "I. AM. ALIVE."...
I'm pretty sure you're of the opinion they were already alive...

[CosmicGnosis]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

...Kay', have fun with that.

I can't.

[CosmicGnosis]

Bill Casey wrote...

Also, I find it hard to believe you aren't bothered by EDI's "I. AM. ALIVE."...
I'm pretty sure you're of the opinion they were already alive...

I am bothered by it, but I think it's better than killing her. She gained an organic understanding of what it means to be alive. I know that you think she's been brainwashed, but that's something we're probably just going to disagree on.

[Bill Casey]

So... what happens to the people who keep fighting the Reapers?

[Xilizhra]

ghost9191 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

actualy as soon as you kill your shepard and make a AI it becomes a dictator

and you tell yourself that. destroying what they were is still killing them , just a bit more twisted , nothing like taking away what someone is and forcing them into slavery, no that is 10x better then just killing them out right ., great way to become your enemy i suppose

I'm staying out of most galactic governing affairs, and the Reapers were already enslaved; I'm just changing the guard until they can be released.

right , megalomaniac says what ? same sh*t . the geth can have more made. race will go on even though most died. same as batarians. they are gone forever , but the race will live on. can't argue that. keep saying they die because that gets you far

The geth can't go on; their civilization and entire population have been wiped out. A new geth civilization could be made, but it'll never be the same.

1) yeah well good thing you didn't kill off your shepard giving power to a AI , least you control the out come . and because they were already enslaved means that it is al right. you are changin them again . forcing them to do something that they may not want to . same as the old catalyst . but hey as long as you are going to free them when you are finished with them. that totally makes slavery right   oh and the fact your going to turn lose a reaper threat , again , totally won't backfire :innocent:

2) again the race will live on. and the dumba*ses probably had a back up somewhere. or a file marked geth civilization , if not that is there problem .

but again race still goes on. if they get rebuilt that is . but interesting coming from someone that wants to jump in the same boat as machines that destroyed countless civilizations,  the catalyst forced my hand . totally not my fault:innocent:

Whether or not it's "right" matters less than the fact that it's the least wrong.