Bill Casey wrote...
So... what happens to the people who keep fighting the Reapers?
Modifié par ghost9191, 08 novembre 2012 - 08:05 .
ghost9191 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I'm staying out of most galactic governing affairs, and the Reapers were already enslaved; I'm just changing the guard until they can be released.actualy as soon as you kill your shepard and make a AI it becomes a dictator
and you tell yourself that. destroying what they were is still killing them , just a bit more twisted , nothing like taking away what someone is and forcing them into slavery, no that is 10x better then just killing them out right ., great way to become your enemy i supposeThe geth can't go on; their civilization and entire population have been wiped out. A new geth civilization could be made, but it'll never be the same.right , megalomaniac says what ? same sh*t . the geth can have more made. race will go on even though most died. same as batarians. they are gone forever , but the race will live on. can't argue that. keep saying they die because that gets you far
1) yeah well good thing you didn't kill off your shepard giving power to a AI , least you control the out come . and because they were already enslaved means that it is al right. you are changin them again . forcing them to do something that they may not want to . same as the old catalyst . but hey as long as you are going to free them when you are finished with them. that totally makes slavery rightoh and the fact your going to turn lose a reaper threat , again , totally won't backfire :innocent:
2) again the race will live on. and the dumba*ses probably had a back up somewhere. or a file marked geth civilization , if not that is there problem .
but again race still goes on. if they get rebuilt that is . but interesting coming from someone that wants to jump in the same boat as machines that destroyed countless civilizations, the catalyst forced my hand . totally not my fault:innocent:
That doesn't make any sense...CosmicGnosis wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
So... what happens to the people who keep fighting the Reapers?
That knowledge and understanding thing probably helps them realize that the Reapers are the avatars of the harvested civilizations, and that they had been under the control of the Catalyst.
See, Synthesis seems to be a rejection of the Reapers' "Lovecraftian mystique". The Reapers are knowable. They can be understood. You embrace the unknown. You don't fear it.
Modifié par Bill Casey, 08 novembre 2012 - 08:13 .
Professor Panda wrote...
ghost9191 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
I'm staying out of most galactic governing affairs, and the Reapers were already enslaved; I'm just changing the guard until they can be released.actualy as soon as you kill your shepard and make a AI it becomes a dictator
and you tell yourself that. destroying what they were is still killing them , just a bit more twisted , nothing like taking away what someone is and forcing them into slavery, no that is 10x better then just killing them out right ., great way to become your enemy i supposeThe geth can't go on; their civilization and entire population have been wiped out. A new geth civilization could be made, but it'll never be the same.right , megalomaniac says what ? same sh*t . the geth can have more made. race will go on even though most died. same as batarians. they are gone forever , but the race will live on. can't argue that. keep saying they die because that gets you far
1) yeah well good thing you didn't kill off your shepard giving power to a AI , least you control the out come . and because they were already enslaved means that it is al right. you are changin them again . forcing them to do something that they may not want to . same as the old catalyst . but hey as long as you are going to free them when you are finished with them. that totally makes slavery right
2) again the race will live on. and the dumba*ses probably had a back up somewhere. or a file marked geth civilization , if not that is there problem .
but again race still goes on. if they get rebuilt that is . but interesting coming from someone that wants to jump in the same boat as machines that destroyed countless civilizations, the catalyst forced my hand . totally not my fault:innocent:
This is a perfect example of headcanon. Tell yourself whatever you want buddy, but the complete and utter extinction of the geth is not debatable. They all die in destroy. There ia no "race ging on." They're all dead. And maybe you are able to live with that, but I can't. Especially after finally creating peace between the Quarians and them and giving them true sentience in my playthrough. And they havn't been "slaves" for hundreds of years.
Modifié par ghost9191, 08 novembre 2012 - 08:11 .
Bill Casey wrote...
That doesn't make any sense...CosmicGnosis wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
So... what happens to the people who keep fighting the Reapers?
That knowledge and understanding thing probably helps them realize that the Reapers are the avatars of the harvested civilizations, and that they had been under the control of the Catalyst.
See, Synthesis seems to be a rejection of the Reapers' "Lovecraftian mystique". The Reapers are knowable. They can be understood. You embrace the unknown. You don't fear it.
Why would everyone trust the information being poured into their brains?
Bill Casey wrote...
Well, they did cite "Brave New World" in the notes...
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Modifié par magnetite, 08 novembre 2012 - 08:30 .
Bill Casey wrote...
Well, they did cite "Brave New World" in the notes...
Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 08 novembre 2012 - 08:43 .
magnetite wrote...
If you haven't played this game for at least 40 hours (in one playthrough, minus the DLCs), you don't fully understand what the ending was about:
Control: Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine.
Synthesis: They're harvesting us. Letting us advance until the level they need, then wiping us out.
Destroy: Dead Reapers is how we win this (Hackett or any of your allies). Or the only logical choice.
CosmicGnosis wrote...
magnetite wrote...
If you haven't played this game for at least 40 hours (in one playthrough, minus the DLCs), you don't fully understand what the ending was about:
Control: Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine.
Synthesis: They're harvesting us. Letting us advance until the level they need, then wiping us out.
Destroy: Dead Reapers is how we win this (Hackett or any of your allies). Or the only logical choice.
So I break the indoctrination attempt by throwing synthetics under the bus. Yay. I really learned something about life, the universe, and everything.
Eckswhyzed wrote...
CosmicGnosis wrote...
magnetite wrote...
If you haven't played this game for at least 40 hours (in one playthrough, minus the DLCs), you don't fully understand what the ending was about:
Control: Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine.
Synthesis: They're harvesting us. Letting us advance until the level they need, then wiping us out.
Destroy: Dead Reapers is how we win this (Hackett or any of your allies). Or the only logical choice.
So I break the indoctrination attempt by throwing synthetics under the bus. Yay. I really learned something about life, the universe, and everything.
Yeah, I did that in my playthrough as well! Low EMS for the win!
/sarcasm
Applepie_Svk wrote...
That´s why there is so much symbolism, when you are playing LOW EMS Catalyst have no reason - he has no reason to help you at all even in HIGH... but still that whole sequence simply doesn´t make a sense till you are looking thru different view
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CosmicGnosis wrote...
So I break the indoctrination attempt by throwing synthetics under the bus. Yay. I really learned something about life, the universe, and everything.
clennon8 wrote...
Yes, Synthetics get thrown under the bus. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS SO MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL UNHAPPY ABOUT THE ENDINGS. WE DON'T LIKE KILLING THE GETH. NOT ONE BIT. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO WALK INTO A !@#%$!@! REAPER TRAP LIKE MOON-EYED MORONS.
Catalyst Deception Theory in a nutshell: The ending choices that are available to you at the end are dependent on how damaged the Crucible is, and whether or not you saved the Collector Base at the end of ME2.Eckswhyzed wrote...
Applepie_Svk wrote...
That´s why there is so much symbolism, when you are playing LOW EMS Catalyst have no reason - he has no reason to help you at all even in HIGH... but still that whole sequence simply doesn´t make a sense till you are looking thru different view
So....with Low EMS the Catalyst has reason to help you at all, so he allows you to break indoctrination and then blow up all of the Reapers?
I really don't understand what you're trying to say here. Can you please explain?
Modifié par clennon8, 08 novembre 2012 - 09:03 .
Probably. I don't know.CosmicGnosis wrote...
clennon8 wrote...
Yes, Synthetics get thrown under the bus. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS SO MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL UNHAPPY ABOUT THE ENDINGS. WE DON'T LIKE KILLING THE GETH. NOT ONE BIT. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO WALK INTO A !@#%$!@! REAPER TRAP LIKE MOON-EYED MORONS.
I know you're an IT fan. Do you think synthetics are literally killed when you choose Destroy?
The Catalyst, when describing the nature of the Reapers, only tells us what we already knew - or could know if we played ME2 in a certain way. The information that the Reapers are avatars of species of past cycles is confirmed by an independent source (Legion in ME2 when he says Reapers are "billions of organic minds, uploaded and conjoined in an immortal machine body. 'Each a nation'"). If they are that, then it makes no sense that *all* of them, without fail, proceed to do to others what was done to them, unless they're mind-controlled.Bill Casey wrote...
That doesn't make any sense...CosmicGnosis wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
So... what happens to the people who keep fighting the Reapers?
That knowledge and understanding thing probably helps them realize that the Reapers are the avatars of the harvested civilizations, and that they had been under the control of the Catalyst.
See, Synthesis seems to be a rejection of the Reapers' "Lovecraftian mystique". The Reapers are knowable. They can be understood. You embrace the unknown. You don't fear it.
Why would everyone suddenly trust the information they're being presented with?
Why would they trust this situation at all?
Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 novembre 2012 - 09:10 .
clennon8 wrote...
Catalyst Deception Theory in a nutshell: The ending choices that are available to you at the end are dependent on how damaged the Crucible is, and whether or not you saved the Collector Base at the end of ME2.Eckswhyzed wrote...
Applepie_Svk wrote...
That´s why there is so much symbolism, when you are playing LOW EMS Catalyst have no reason - he has no reason to help you at all even in HIGH... but still that whole sequence simply doesn´t make a sense till you are looking thru different view
So....with Low EMS the Catalyst has reason to help you at all, so he allows you to break indoctrination and then blow up all of the Reapers?
I really don't understand what you're trying to say here. Can you please explain?
Low EMS, destroyed the Collector Base: Destroy is the only option available, because the Crucible is too damaged for Synthesis, and because the Reaper "heart" was salvaged from Cronos Station and used in building the Crucible. Destroy requires more raw energy output than Control.
Low EMS, saved the Collector Base: Control is the only option available, because the Crucible is too damaged for Synthesis, and because the Reaper "brain" was salvaged from Cronos Station and used in building the Crucible. Control requires more computing power than Destroy.
Mid EMS: Both Destroy and Control are both available, but the Crucible is too damaged for Synthesis.
High EMS: Synthesis, by far the most complex and energy-consumptive of the choices, becomes availabepossible because the Crucible is undamaged.
Ieldra2 wrote...
Headcanon, on the other hand, is things that go against what we're told and shown, like "Some geth survive Destroy" or "Shepard comes back after Synthesis", or filling blank spaces where we have no evidence at all about how things may go.
Modifié par CosmicGnosis, 08 novembre 2012 - 09:14 .
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