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[JaimasOfRaxis]

One fourth the game is unplayable?

Try half. Take a Biotic class against Collectors sometime and try to tell me otherwise.

[Achire]

We could've really done without the bomber zapper and drone incinerate stun. Now I understand the drone needed to be fixed so it actually does something, but adding another stun was a complete design disaster. Get rid of the stun BS. Nobody likes that ****.

[megabeast37215]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

One fourth the game is unplayable?

Try half. Take a Biotic class against Collectors sometime and try to tell me otherwise.

I do all the time... it's not bad at all. Just kill the swarms on sight... shoot the Praetorian when the bubble goes up. If you just brought an Acolyte with you... that's your own fault.

I find that Smash and Reave both dominate the Collector faction.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Feneckus wrote...

I have no idea how Bioware can be so brilliant and so clueless/incompetent at the same time.

But we just pawned them in Glacier and you got 3 killstreaks in wave 1. 3 FREAKING KILLSTREAKS in WAVE 1 with no missile used

[HolyAvenger]

megabeast37215 wrote...

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

One fourth the game is unplayable?

Try half. Take a Biotic class against Collectors sometime and try to tell me otherwise.

I do all the time... it's not bad at all. Just kill the swarms on sight... shoot the Praetorian when the bubble goes up. If you just brought an Acolyte with you... that's your own fault.

I find that Smash and Reave both dominate the Collector faction.

Same, I find the Fury to be a very effective class against Collectors. Just make sure you don't get swarmed.

[Chrome tater tot]

I want the launch Geth back.

[AznInvazion]

I don't mind the fact that combat drones can attack... I think it's retarded they added the stunlock with all the other Geth characters that can stagger you. I'm trying to complete the solo challenge now and I'm one gold match away. The past 2 nights I've died on Wave 10 during the 4 upload objective against the Geth... the most recent I died midway through uploading the 4th objective.

The 4 upload objective can be nearly impossible to do when you get screwed by the upload placement and the fact that you are being staggered by EVERYTHING!

Modifié par AznInvazion, 08 novembre 2012 - 05:24 .

[ElSuperGecko]

His Guardness wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...
Simple solution TC: Shoot it. /facepalm

Great, we have have a working tactic folks.

But tell me, what do I do if I happen to play a class that does not have TC ?

.......shoot it.

[megabeast37215]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

just accept the fact that bioware will not implement the suggestions of sirian. there is more evidence to suggest that they do not test the game mechanics properly with each patch/release. WE are their testers and they do not listen to any possible remedies. i'm not going to be buying any more products from EA/bioware due to the whole me3 debacle (sp and mp).

 

The thing is that they have a great game in ME3 MP. But they seem to ignore crucial issues while 'fixing' things that don't matter or can't be fixed. The game is far from a debacle, I loved the SP (except the ending) and love MP even more, but it could be even better if they would just listen to their players more.

I wouldn't say it's a debacle... but allowing the Geth to become what they have become is a major gameplay oversight.

I remember back when I was a kid, a gaming magazine I read had catagories to judge games by. Those were Graphics/Audio/Controls/Gameplay/Fun Factor.... ME3 gets rave reviews in all those catagories... but if you were to simply judge the Geth Faction by those standards... Fun Factor would be around a 2 on a 1-10 scale.

I'd rather scrub my toilet than play Geth/Condor/Gold or Plat....

[kira28]

I agree with this thread reapers and cerberus need to be buffed to keep up with the geth i mean how easy is cerberus and reaper platinum compared to geth platinum. Keep em balanced!

[capn233]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

One fourth the game is unplayable?

Try half. Take a Biotic class against Collectors sometime and try to tell me otherwise.

Annihilation Field works alright against them.

[Battlepope190]

OP sure does complain a lot...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

_only1biggs_ wrote...

just accept the fact that bioware will not implement the suggestions of sirian. there is more evidence to suggest that they do not test the game mechanics properly with each patch/release. WE are their testers and they do not listen to any possible remedies. i'm not going to be buying any more products from EA/bioware due to the whole me3 debacle (sp and mp).

 

The thing is that they have a great game in ME3 MP. But they seem to ignore crucial issues while 'fixing' things that don't matter or can't be fixed. The game is far from a debacle, I loved the SP (except the ending) and love MP even more, but it could be even better if they would just listen to their players more.

If they listened to the players more the game would be unplayable for everyone but all the tryhards who keep wanting them to make the game harder. I'd prefer to let Bioware do things their way, thank you very much.

Modifié par Battlepope190, 08 novembre 2012 - 05:35 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

capn233 wrote...

Was going to put this in the other thread about this thread, so I will just put in the relevant bits.

The drone was supposed to have that attack at release, but it was bugged. So they fixed it in the patch. They didn't say "oh let's make the Geth more annoying!"

The next problem was that for half of the game's time since release people were farming geth and skewing the data so that it appeared that the Geth were the easiest faction... most objectives completed. And since they balance in a large part on the game data, they ramped up the Geth.

Criticizing the design of the geth faction as a whole might make some sense. No need for the "I can't believe Bioware is trollin' us, bro!" One problem is that they tried to make combat versus each faction different rather than having really only one faction, but with different named units depending on which you select. Which is why there was no melee or sync kill unit in the Geth arsenal. More slow push, ranged artillery with the Hunters and Pyros to flush units from cover.

Personally, I could do with a bit less stun, especially if it limited some of the more "cheap" feeling stuns... which mostly comes from Rocket Troopers that ripple fire several rockets in short succession, or the classic Hunter falling backwards, but still getting of a solid GPS shot, stun. Drones needed to do something so I am happy they fixed their attack from that perspective. Primes should not be able to cast turrets that aren't in their line of sight, and probably should have a bit longer cooldown on the drone casting though.

The problem is, often when BioWare decides to make a change to address some perceived problem with the game, they simply go too far with it.  They obviously wanted to make the game less farmable, so in response they:

1) Altered the map layout of Firebase White and Firebase Glacier

2) Made it impossible to grab Geth Pyros

3) Introduced the Prime Drone stagger rocket (they fixed a feature that was intended BUT they could have removed the stun knowing the other changes they were making)

4) Added Geth Bomber with short-range stun attack AND stagger bombs.

And this was in addition to the ridiculous amount of stun already present with the Geth.  BioWare had a problem with farming, and they threw everything they coudl think of to "fix" it, and they seemed to have completely missed the deterimental effect it has to gameplay when playing the Geth.

I understand BioWare wanted to address farming, but in reality, 1 or 2 of the numbered items were probably enough.  3 is pushing it, but implementing all 4 went way overboard.

[megabeast37215]

Battlepope190 wrote...

OP sure does complain a lot...

He's right... just this once.

[ElSuperGecko]

capn233 wrote...

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...
One fourth the game is unplayable?
Try half. Take a Biotic class against Collectors sometime and try to tell me otherwise.

Annihilation Field works alright against them.

Al biotics work fine against them.  Just take a decent sidearm and don't get hit by the swarms.  (see my advice re. Prime's drones for further details)

[greghorvath]

Star fury wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Xcal Jay and I once wiped on Platinum/London/Geth on wave 3.

True story.

Hack?

Center hack. 

*Insert Stunlock! Stunlock everywhere! meme.jpg*

Oh yeah, infamous London center hack aka Russian roulette. It's also very funny when possessed scions are bombarding hack site with clusters from the other side of the map. Cheap game design again.

Wiping on platinum is totally different then not making through an easy map on gold with a team like Feneckus, RedJohn and Crimson (+anyone).

London center hack is a tricky one. Not cheap as my learned friend above likes to point out. I don't think its bad you have to sweat once in a while to beat the game. London center hack is definitely a mission that can go south very easily. 

[megabeast37215]

I wish the Dev team could hear the sounds players make when it's set to U/U/G and the players get Geth on Condor/Hydra/London...

"Ohhh F this! Not again! I'm not doing this **** guys!"

"Ugg... Geth... let's just quit now so we don't all get pissed off/have headaches."

"Dude seriously... what did I do to deserve this."

"Well... at least we have a Kroguard."

[Zjarcal]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
 
Yes it's a cool story, brought to you by bro inc. Sure, I need to go back 2 bronze, etc.

It's Bosh'tet inc, not bro inc, learn the difference bronze noob. 

On topic... dat drone... dat drone... dat drone... eh, sorry, can't go on, I'm stunlocked at "dat drone".

[Star fury]

greghorvath wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Xcal Jay and I once wiped on Platinum/London/Geth on wave 3.

True story.

Hack?

Center hack. 

*Insert Stunlock! Stunlock everywhere! meme.jpg*

Oh yeah, infamous London center hack aka Russian roulette. It's also very funny when possessed scions are bombarding hack site with clusters from the other side of the map. Cheap game design again.

Wiping on platinum is totally different then not making through an easy map on gold with a team like Feneckus, RedJohn and Crimson (+anyone).

London center hack is a tricky one. Not cheap as my learned friend above likes to point out. I don't think its bad you have to sweat once in a while to beat the game. London center hack is definitely a mission that can go south very easily. 

Bi0drone droning in a Prime drone thread. Hilarious.

Tell me, are you're a chick, because you stalk me everywhere. If so, I would apologise.

If you're not a chick, you must be very brave, licking ass of Bioware on Bioware forums.

Modifié par Star fury, 08 novembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[capn233]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

I understand BioWare wanted to address farming, but in reality, 1 or 2 of the numbered items were probably enough.  3 is pushing it, but implementing all 4 went way overboard.

Perhaps.  In some ways I don't like what the new units did to Cerberus or the Geth.  Geth Bomber is sort of annoying, especially when you don't know it is coming, and definitely at hacks.

It is interesting that they always said they weren't trying to prevent farming, but rather camping.  Geth are still an ok faction to camp against, just have to target the bombers before they get to you essentially.

I think there is also an assumption that you should be able to get away with running in the open if you are "skilled" enough... which is essentially what many of the Geth units are built to counter.  It is a cover based shooter afterall.

I agree that stun is annoying, sometimes not just with the Geth.  If you have latency you can get stunned to death by a Scion, although admittedly this is much less likely than against the Geth.