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[hawat333]

Or do we need to pay a small fortune for a high-end rig?
Are there any develpoment\\design thoughts about this matter?
I see it will use an own enginge based on one of the more resource-heavy engines.
The thing is, I don't play that much, buying a completely new PC... I wouldn't exploit it enough to make it worth the price. But what I always do, is get and play BioWare games.
So will DA3 be playable on average machines, or do you aim to go for the best grapchics regardless of the average player's PC specs. (That's a completely viable option too, some companies do that)

[TsaiMeLemoni]

No one knows the specs yet, as not much has been officially released.

[hawat333]

Ah, I see, I thought there were maybe some guidelines laid down already, but thanks for heads up anyway.

[AlexJK]

DA3 won't require an uber-PC to play (especially if it's released on the current console generation, which seems likely).

If your PC struggled with DA2, you might have a problem with DA3, but if you could play DA2 on higher video settings, you should be fine to play DA3 around medium.

[ I don't have inside information, just educated guessing. ]

[FaWa]

Yea as long as it could run DA2 on medium I assume it can run DA3 on low

[Navasha]

The times of having to upgrade your PC every year to keep up with new releases is long past. Most games now are multi-platform games, and consoles don't change from year to year. If its still being made for this current generation of consoles then no, you shouldn't need to upgrade heavily.

While I don't see it happening, I would love for a developer to make a game that would once again press the limits of modern PCs.

[Maclimes]

As has been mentioned, it seems likely that the console version will be on the current gen of consoles. Which should give you a vague estimation of the hardware requirements.

[FaWa]

Navasha wrote...

While I don't see it happening, I would love for a developer to make a game that would once again press the limits of modern PCs.

I certainly wouldn't be buying it, because it I'd have to buy a whole new computer.......PC gaming's only flaw... 

[Fast Jimmy]

FaWa wrote...

Navasha wrote...

While I don't see it happening, I would love for a developer to make a game that would once again press the limits of modern PCs.

I certainly wouldn't be buying it, because it I'd have to buy a whole new computer.......PC gaming's only flaw... 

Yep. I'd be a PC gamer, but my computer is older than my car (and my car has over 100K miles on it). My console was bought in 2006, best $500 I ever spent. Its still kicking and playing brand new games just fine. And I'll get a new console in 2013/14 that will cost roughly the same and I expect it to last me just as long. 

My PC is so old, I couldn't even upgrade it to play newer games (its not an issue or RAM or video card, its only a 1.3 gHZ single core processor), so a new PC would be required. And there's no way I could buy a new PC for ~$500 that would remain relevant for five-six years like a console would. 

Its simple economics for me.

[JWvonGoethe]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Yep. I'd be a PC gamer, but my computer is older than my car (and my car has over 100K miles on it). My console was bought in 2006, best $500 I ever spent. Its still kicking and playing brand new games just fine. And I'll get a new console in 2013/14 that will cost roughly the same and I expect it to last me just as long.

My PC is so old, I couldn't even upgrade it to play newer games (its not an issue or RAM or video card, its only a 1.3 gHZ single core processor), so a new PC would be required. And there's no way I could buy a new PC for ~$500 that would remain relevant for five-six years like a console would. 

Its simple economics for me.

I'm guessing you use a Playstation then...

(Saying that as someone who has had to buy/repair a ridiculous number of X360s.)

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 08 novembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[Realmzmaster]

The only upgrade you would probably need is an OS upgrade if using XP. The Frostbite 2 engine does not support DirectX 9 (which XP uses) only 10 and up. So Vista, 7 but do not know about 8.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 08 novembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[Fast Jimmy]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Yep. I'd be a PC gamer, but my computer is older than my car (and my car has over 100K miles on it). My console was bought in 2006, best $500 I ever spent. Its still kicking and playing brand new games just fine. And I'll get a new console in 2013/14 that will cost roughly the same and I expect it to last me just as long.

My PC is so old, I couldn't even upgrade it to play newer games (its not an issue or RAM or video card, its only a 1.3 gHZ single core processor), so a new PC would be required. And there's no way I could buy a new PC for ~$500 that would remain relevant for five-six years like a console would. 

Its simple economics for me.

I'm guessing you use a Playstation then...

(Saying that as someone who has had to buy/repair a ridiculous number of X360s.)

Heh. Nope, I only have a 360. 

Now... that being said... I had my fair share of Red Rings of Death, but I found a guy in town who does repairs for $45 and gives a lifetime warranty, so any time it has any problems I take it back to him and he has it fixed within a day, for free. Best repair deal I've ever seen. 

[Maria Caliban]

hawat333 wrote...

Will it be accessible with a PC that was used for DA2?

Or do we need to pay a small fortune for a high-end rig?

I don't understand people who buy PCs and then just get a new one when it doesn't run their games. Why apply a console model of consumer use to an item that's much more expensive?

No, you don't have to buy a new computer. Just upgrade the one you have.

[JWvonGoethe]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Heh. Nope, I only have a 360. 

Now... that being said... I had my fair share of Red Rings of Death, but I found a guy in town who does repairs for $45 and gives a lifetime warranty, so any time it has any problems I take it back to him and he has it fixed within a day, for free. Best repair deal I've ever seen. 

Thanks, that certainly gives me an incentive to shop around a bit before getting my current 360 repaired.

[Wulfram]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I don't understand people who buy PCs and then just get a new one when it doesn't run their games. Why apply a console model of consumer use to an item that's much more expensive?

No, you don't have to buy a new computer. Just upgrade the one you have.

1.  Because I'm not particularly confident doing stuff with hardware
2.  Because usually if my graphics card is truly obsolete, my CPU isn't too far behind and I'm probably running out of disk space too.

(and consoles aren't an option for strategy games)

[Giltspur]

I assume Bioware will design down to the level of consoles, either PS3/X360 or PS4/X720 (whatever the names are).  Rumors for dev kits on next-gen consoles have them using AMD 7760's, which is a low-end to midrange PC part.  And so the requirements on Frostbite 2 games on PC like BF3 and C&C Generals 2 translate well to the next generation of consoles.  And the specs on PC BF3 and C&CG2 are (minimum to recommend):

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz to Core 2 Quad 2.13 GHz (naturally, AMD has their equivalents)
AMD 3870 to AMD 6950 (naturally, nVIdia has their equivalents)
2 GB system memory to 4 GB system memory.

So that's my reasoned GUESS of the range to run DA3.  On OS, Vista, Win 7 or Win 8 due to DirectX requirements.

Modifié par Giltspur, 08 novembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Maria Caliban wrote...

hawat333 wrote...

Will it be accessible with a PC that was used for DA2?

Or do we need to pay a small fortune for a high-end rig?

I don't understand people who buy PCs and then just get a new one when it doesn't run their games. Why apply a console model of consumer use to an item that's much more expensive?

No, you don't have to buy a new computer. Just upgrade the one you have.

Sometimes you do have to buy a new computer if it is a laptop.  I have checked with many different computer people and it is harder to upgrade a laptop then it is a desktop. For example I have an Alienware laptop that is a 2005.  I can not play a lot of the current games due to my graphics card and I can not buy a new one for it.  Believe me I have checked since my computer still works great. A lot of it depends on your motherboard and where ports and pins are and such.

[Fast Jimmy]

Giltspur wrote...

I assume Bioware will design down to the level of consoles, either PS3/X360 or PS4/X720 (whatever the names are).  Rumors for dev kits on next-gen consoles have them using AMD 7760's, which is a low-end to midrange PC part.  And so the requirements on Frostbite 2 games on PC like BF3 and C&C Generals 2 translate well to the next generation of consoles.  And the specs on PC BF3 and C&CG2 are (minimum to recommend):

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz to Core 2 Quad 2.13 GHz (naturally, AMD has their equivalents)
AMD 3870 to AMD 6950 (naturally, nVIdia has their equivalents)
2 GB system memory to 4 GB system memory.

So that's my reasoned GUESS of the range to run DA3.  On OS, Vista, Win 7 or Win 8 due to DirectX requirements.

I'm kind of surprised the next-gen consoles don't have better rumored specs. You'd think they would load them with as cutting edge hardward as possible, since they'd be the benchmark for game development for the next 3-7 years.


Unless that is the plan, to keep graphics capabilities not too far ahead in an attempt to keep development costs lower. In which case... I think that would be both a blessing and a curse.

[llandwynwyn]

Bioware's games are very kind to outdated pcs. I've an old pc that maintain the same build I made in 2006 and DA2/ME3 work fine on him. But who knows, people b*tched so much about DA2's graphics...one thing I'm almost sure is that it won't work on XP because of Frostbite.

[Atakuma]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Giltspur wrote...

I assume Bioware will design down to the level of consoles, either PS3/X360 or PS4/X720 (whatever the names are).  Rumors for dev kits on next-gen consoles have them using AMD 7760's, which is a low-end to midrange PC part.  And so the requirements on Frostbite 2 games on PC like BF3 and C&C Generals 2 translate well to the next generation of consoles.  And the specs on PC BF3 and C&CG2 are (minimum to recommend):

Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz to Core 2 Quad 2.13 GHz (naturally, AMD has their equivalents)
AMD 3870 to AMD 6950 (naturally, nVIdia has their equivalents)
2 GB system memory to 4 GB system memory.

So that's my reasoned GUESS of the range to run DA3.  On OS, Vista, Win 7 or Win 8 due to DirectX requirements.

I'm kind of surprised the next-gen consoles don't have better rumored specs. You'd think they would load them with as cutting edge hardward as possible, since they'd be the benchmark for game development for the next 3-7 years.


Unless that is the plan, to keep graphics capabilities not too far ahead in an attempt to keep development costs lower. In which case... I think that would be both a blessing and a curse.

It's all about manufacturing costs. Both the PS3 and 360 were sold at a loss for years because they were too expensive, and they don't wan't history repeating itself.

Modifié par Atakuma, 08 novembre 2012 - 07:05 .

[Fast Jimmy]

llandwynwyn wrote...

Bioware's games are very kind to outdated pcs. I've an old pc that maintain the same build I made in 2006 and DA2/ME3 work fine on him. But who knows, people b*tched so much about DA2's graphics...one thing I'm almost sure is that it won't work on XP because of Frostbite.

Ugh. Another reason I wouldn't want to be a PC player. Not only do you have to upgrade your hardware every 3 years, but these days you have to upgrade your OS, too. I've been rocking XP on my PC since 2002. And its done right by me. I use it for low resource activities, like work, email and internet and I haven't felt the need to put a dime into it.

I'm a thrifty kind of guy, if you haven't picked up yet. I wouldn't say I am cheap, but I enjoy maximizing the efficiency and long-term financial gain of pretty much everything I do.

[ObserverStatus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

hawat333 wrote...
Will it be accessible with a PC that was used for DA2?
Or do we need to pay a small fortune for a high-end rig?

I don't understand people who buy PCs and then just get a new one when it doesn't run their games. Why apply a console model of consumer use to an item that's much more expensive?
No, you don't have to buy a new computer. Just upgrade the one you have.

Well, for one reason, if your computer has a high end cpu and a low end graphics card, it may be hard to replace the graphics card, as in a few years it may be hard to find a new graphics card with a format that your CPU supports.  For example, my rig has an excellent sandy bridge gen CPU, but that generation does not support the PCI express 3.0 format, and by the time a game is released that my current hardware can't handle the latest graphics cards could be using the PCI express 4.0 format.  Therefore, if I ever want to upgrad my graphics card, i'll probably need a new CPU, motherboard, and OS since I made the mistake of getting the OEM version of windows 7.  On the other hand, I should be able to salvage my case, memory modules, and hard drives.

[Fast Jimmy]

Atakuma wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'm kind of surprised the next-gen consoles don't have better rumored specs. You'd think they would load them with as cutting edge hardward as possible, since they'd be the benchmark for game development for the next 3-7 years.


Unless that is the plan, to keep graphics capabilities not too far ahead in an attempt to keep development costs lower. In which case... I think that would be both a blessing and a curse.

It's all about manufacturing costs. Both the PS3 and 360 were sold at a loss for years because they were too expensive, and they don't wan't history repeating itself.

Ah, that makes sense. Still, it will have the residual effect of putting a ceiling on development cost as a correllary I would think. Which would mean graphics won't get THAT insanely better (but still will be a good jump) but it would also require less work and cost by artists as well. So it could be a good thing, I suppose.

[hexaligned]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Yep. I'd be a PC gamer, but my computer is older than my car (and my car has over 100K miles on it). My console was bought in 2006, best $500 I ever spent. Its still kicking and playing brand new games just fine. And I'll get a new console in 2013/14 that will cost roughly the same and I expect it to last me just as long.

My PC is so old, I couldn't even upgrade it to play newer games (its not an issue or RAM or video card, its only a 1.3 gHZ single core processor), so a new PC would be required. And there's no way I could buy a new PC for ~$500 that would remain relevant for five-six years like a console would. 

Its simple economics for me.

I'm guessing you use a Playstation then...

(Saying that as someone who has had to buy/repair a ridiculous number of X360s.)

Yeah I'm on my 3rd 360, pieces of **** that they are.
Keeping a gaming rig modern isn't that expensive, the main cost is in the peripherals, (monitor/sound sysem etc.)  For me the total "sitting on my desk cost", is probably around 4K, but I only spend maybe 500 a year upgrading whatever needs upgrading.  BUT, my TV alone cost almost that much.  So I don't really get the argument that console gaming is cheaper, you can waste as much money as you have to waste on either.  

Modifié par relhart, 08 novembre 2012 - 07:19 .