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[SlabHardcheese]

Not a gold player, though I suppose I should buck up and try it again. It seems like on gold all those creatures want to hurt me. And all those old naked ladies screaming at me kind of freak me out. They are SO not chill. Accidentally got switched to platinum from a bronze lobby once and that was surreal for sure.

[darkblade]

Most of the time, everyone is stingy with consumables.

[Vandicus]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I was having a conversation with Invaderone a few days ago, and he said something I thought was really profound about the mindset of your average PUG.

Invader says he spends a couple days a week just playing PUGs... and what he has discovered is that PUG/Gold players don't really expect to win. Just imagine that for a minute... going into battle with a bunch of people who think they're going to lose before wave 1 even starts. How can they be a competent team member with this mindset!?!?

Truth is... they are looking to be carried probably 2/3 of the time.

Well I think the proportion is slightly better than that, but it does seem that most of the time 2 out of the 3 people in a lobby are typically not gold-worthy while the 3rd person is decent or good, there are matches I find with more than just one other good player so that'd bring the average up a tiny bit.

[InTheZone]

Once/twice in a night... out of maybe 5-6 matches.

Also, I exclusively play with PUGs since I don't have friends or care to make friends on XBL. PUGs are a true challenge, unlike the pansy option of playing with friends.

Modifié par InTheZone, 08 novembre 2012 - 03:36 .

[Pee Jae]

Usually, it's during objective waves. One guy will sometimes need a revive here and there, but it's not too bad until wave 3, 6, or 10. And of course, the neverending spawns in wave 11. Get a bad location hack and it's lights out. Or a looong drone escort like Rio.

[Slaysman]

I do not play gold often, but when I do I would say 90% of the time I extract. Sometimes at the bottom of the board and sometimes at the top. When I enter a lobby and noone is talking on their headsets I leave most of the time. Last night was an exception I keep reading about this Ashen Earth person and he was in the lobby I joined last night. I wanted to see him in action, the guy is awesome.

[SeanThen1]

This thread has been excellent. Thanks a lot to everyone who chimed in with detailed responses.

[rlro]

Almost never, except:

1 - when I am sync-killed and the rest of the team simply decide not to use medigel/rockets and is unable to finish the wave;
2 - when I'm playing with a very low level character (4-5) and I'm left alone (again, nobody using medigels) and have to solo a later wave (when I play with such a low level character, I'm pretty much able to handle myself, but not to solo);
3 - when I'm having really bad lag. Sometimes it is even impossible to fire a rocket before I'm killed again.

Modifié par rlro, 08 novembre 2012 - 03:49 .

[kyles3]

"New character day" seems to bring a lot of really bad players to Gold.

This week I'd been maintaining about a 90% clear rate in Gold PUGs, but last night I played four matches and all of them wiped between waves 6 and 10. Last one ended on wave 10 with my teammates running around the map like jackasses, ignoring the objective and getting insta-killed by Phantoms. Used up all my consumables trying and failing to do it myself. In lieu of throwing my controller through the screen, I turned off the PS3 and called it a night.

[dasfranken]

I'd say I extract 85-90% of the time. I use gear buffs every match and on every difficulty. My pugs generally only wipe if I get executed early in the wave at some point (usually wave 6 if it happens) as the lobbies that don't extract are the ones that refuse to gel (I wasn't alive to res them). It's usually a stomp that gets me actually. A teammate will be downed beside me and I'll think he/she is the one getting stomped, but I'll judge wrong. Reaper failures are extremely rare, and cerberus isn't common but they do happen occasionally.
Collectors have the least success rate, followed by closely by the Geth, mainly on Goddess (I have more success with Geth condor and london surprisingly). If my team does looks a bit sketchy I'll just switch to my trusty Male Quarian Infiltrator. I only place the first kick if I suspect a rocket glitcher. I only leave a fresh lobby if the enemy is set to geth, or if someone has annoying background noise on their mic. N7, mic availability, and loadout doesn't matter to me for gold or lower. I've generally don't search public platinum, but I do expect high leveled characters.

Edit: I always put on my permanent gear before I search for a game. I usually put on full consumables, but not my best when I start the search. I'll adjust my loadout once I make into the lobby, but If I join a game in progress I feel I'll need some edge via buffs. The reason being since the team I joined had to three-man at least part of the game they could be low on equipment and would appreciate a strong new character joining their ranks. I will not put on my best stuff before the search though since I may join a match where everyone has already wiped, or join on a late wave where I won't get much use out of them.  

Modifié par dasfranken, 08 novembre 2012 - 04:08 .

[KalilKareem]

About 20% on my games someone is hosting on commodore 64 in Antarctica. Those game fail.
Another 10% the team fails completely for some reason and I can't carry them (either because I am lagging, playing a dodgy loadout or just CBA)
That is a 30% flat fail rate.

Now out of the remaining games Id say 10% fails vs geth, cerberus and reapers and apprx 50% fails against Collectors.

Total fail rate would then be 30%+70%*(10%*75%+50%*25%) = 44%. Give or take a few ppm

Edit: Math fail

Modifié par KalilKareem, 08 novembre 2012 - 04:04 .

[Tinned Bread]

I wipe often. Especially after being on the toilet.

[LtAdams2247 Origin]

about 1 in 5. I'm usually hosting myself though versus a set enemy Reaper, Geth or Cerberus. I'm staying the frack away from gold Collectors.

[sandboxgod]

With PUG I would guess my success rate is pretty high. Rather than going by # of games played instead I look at how many games I've completed over a period of time. Because sometimes the game just drops me into an ongoing game. I never equip consumables until I get in a lobby. So that scenario is a really bad one

I do examine everyone in the lobby. If I see low N7 I bounce asap. If I see a really bad loadout I'll bounce. If it looks like someone choose a bad weapon just for a challenge I bounce. If the Host does not ready up soon I'll bounce (nothing is worse than starting a game with an AFK host)

edit- I do have all my rares guns and gear maxed. I only mention this fact because that will skew the feedback you are receiving probably. Many of us with good manifest might have higher success rates. If I had to guess I'd say maybe 70-80% Success rate for me. If I get sync-killed some PUG I am on might fail asap. Factors like that

Modifié par sandboxgod, 08 novembre 2012 - 04:12 .

[LegionofRannoch]

once in a great while, fail on a giant/ cerberus match and i was using geth infiltrator. (he does not like atlas rockets when he has no fitness.. im sorry.. "it". It does not like atlas rockets)

[Hellraiser2002]

About 50% of the time for the 2 days after new characters come out when the flood of silver players is in gold, but otherwise fairly rarely.

[ArcaptSSX]

Most of my gold games go well, and when they fail it's often done by the 3rd wave.
The one thing that tends to make them go wrong is mainly collectors. They slay pugs with amazing proficiency.

Other than that the biggest problems would be lack of knowledge about LZ resulting in partial extractions very often and geth bombers forcing players out of cover into stunlock, on open maps against geth.

Modifié par JohnBobbyTheThird, 08 novembre 2012 - 04:17 .

[Daxamite]

i play with PUGs, usually on silver. Ive only done about 20-25 gold matches maybe? all of them U/U/G

I think maybe ive gotten extraction on at least half of them.

Modifié par PhoenixUK, 08 novembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[Jzadek72]

Regularly enough. Give me some decent teammates, and I'll extract reliably. On my own with some people who by all rights should be playing silver? Not so much. I CAN carry a team, but patchily.

[sobit]

if i am prepared and play a solid setup with equipment, i wipe very rarely, like 1 in 15 times.
if i am trying a new or very bad experimental setup it's like 1 in 4 times.
I always host when PUGing and mostly play against a set faction and unknown map, always on gold.
I also have no problem with finishing the wave alone.

[CronisN7]

I can carry waves if the team wipes so its very rare that i will wipe... only in the rare cases where i get sync killed and the other players die and wont medigel.

I am a lot more picky now when selecting the party though... Generally want at least one other high N7/challenge point with solid weapons so i don't have to carry the pug.

[Shampoohorn]

With friends: Almost never. But when we do, we LoL.

PUG w/ my goto kits: Maybe 10% of the time. Probably less. I will say that if the team really sucks and I've solo-carried three waves, then dying on wave 8/9 feels like a relief. Unless I'm a krogan. My krogans will never give up. (Go to: QFI, HumEng, Krentinel, drellguard, et.al.)

PUG w/ other kits: One fail per seven games, I'd say. These are the kits never play or built weirdly. My first game with the geth soldier last night was like this. Damn I hate flamer. Luckily that wipe was on wave 10, three seconds after I finished the objective.

[Operator m1]

As a person that plays way too much, not every day. I may have to put varying amounts of weight on my back to carry (which is fixed by just leaving, and hosting a different lobby if it was especially painful).

Wipes only really happen if I let them.

[capn233]

Every game.

[Tupari]

In general, gold PUGs haven't been too bad for me. Most teams I've been
on stick together and support each other, go for objectives, and use
their consumables, and so long as a team does that it's usually pretty
doable to make it to extraction.

The biggest thing about most PUG games I've been in is not that they wipe all the time, but they do tend to be long. The average gold PUG is about 30-35 minutes, whereas 20-24 minutes is par the course for most of the non-random games I've played. It's usually because the average PUG team just doesn't seem to have as many high level rares or URs, may not use powers as effectively, and just doesn't kill enemies as quickly.