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[Clayless]

LilLino wrote...

I don't agree. I prefer Bioware's ending. This mod actually offers less choice than the original and doesn't explain the Reapers origins nor goals.

If the ending was like this I'd be pissed.

No, I really appreciate modder's good work, it's very nice of him, but don't turn his good will to a weapon against Bioware and it's employees. I doubt he'd want that.

Exactly this.

[Ghost]

LilLino wrote...

I don't agree. I prefer Bioware's ending. This mod actually offers less choice than the original and doesn't explain the Reapers origins nor goals.

If the ending was like this I'd be pissed.

No, I really appreciate modder's good work, it's very nice of him, but don't turn his good will to a weapon against Bioware and it's employees. I doubt he'd want that.

[thefallen2far]

David7204 wrote...

And here we are again.

I've seen the same thing on the Miranda threads. Threads about saving Thane. Other threads about the ending.
 

I'm not praising the ending he made.  I have complaints about it and I think it still has its flaws, but this mod undermines what the ending did for the rest of the game..... make it completely unreplayable. 

I've played Final Fantasy games several times over and I can always go back to them because I love them.  There's only one ending in those games, and I'm fine with that.  There's only one ending in Saints Row 2, Uncharted, the Batman games, Red Dead Redemption.... but I always go back to those games on multiple playthroughs and always love the experience.  I can't do that with any Mass Effect games.

The Catalyst was quite literally, the single dumbest, most inept story element I've ever experienced.  It made Jar Jar Binks look salvageable.  Every time I play the game, I know it's leading to that horrible collapse in story structure and intellect that is the Star Jar.  Because it's at the end, I can't avoid it unless I just don't play it. 

As flawed as the ending is structurally, effectually and as buggy it could be.... it does the single most important thing..... it erases the nonsense.  I'm even okay with Shepard dying.... but arbitrarily adding a nonsensical crap BS Catalyst waste of human excrement of an ending that I'm not excluding the possiblility of being the creative result of a brain anurism.  I'd have paid for admission to a theatrical screening of Phantom Menace cut like that one guy did where he cut out Jar Jar Binks as well.  It's the editor in me that just doens't want to see crap.

And yes, I know, "artistic integrity", "they're really proud of what they made", "they worked really hard"...... I don't doubt Schumacher was proud of and worked very hard on Batman and Robin, but that doesn't play into the fact I think it made a better drinking game than a movie.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 09 novembre 2012 - 04:23 .

[Clayless]

thefallen2far wrote...

As flawed as the ending is structurally, effectually and as buggy it could be.... it does the single most important thing..... it erases the nonsense.  I'm even okay with Shepard dying.... but arbitrarily adding a nonsensical crap BS Catalyst waste of human excrement of an ending that I'm not excluding the possiblility of being the creative result of a brain anurism.  I'd have paid for admission to a theatrical screening of Phantom Menace cut like that one guy did where he cut out Jar Jar Binks as well.  It's the editor in me that just doens't want to see crap.

If you think removing Jar Jar Binks would make the rest of the Phantom Menace not crap, or heck even coherent, you weren't paying attention to anything in that film.

[thefallen2far]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

If you think removing Jar Jar Binks would make the rest of the Phantom Menace not crap, or heck even coherent, you weren't paying attention to anything in that film.

Did you see the edit on Youtube?  It's only a half hour long and infinately better.  Not great, but it salvages some semblence of respect.  [and yes, I liked Phantom Menace more than the Catalyst.... that doesn't mean I liked Phantom Menace]

Modifié par thefallen2far, 09 novembre 2012 - 04:28 .

[Clayless]

thefallen2far wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

If you think removing Jar Jar Binks would make the rest of the Phantom Menace not crap, or heck even coherent, you weren't paying attention to anything in that film.

Did you see the edit on Youtube?  It's only a half hour long and infinately better.  Not great, but it salvages some semblence of respect.  [and yes, I liked Phantom Menace more than the Catalyst.... that doesn't mean I liked Phantom Menace]

The point was it was a bad analogy.

[Sable Rhapsody]

David7204 wrote...

And here we are again.

I've seen the same thing on the Miranda threads. Threads about saving Thane. Other threads about the ending.

The same thing every time. No matter what, the 'solution' is shilled as the best thing EVER, EVER. Any problems are ignored. Any shortcomings are disregarded. And like always, people post by the dozens to praise an idea full of the same problems they've doubtless complained about incessantly elsewhere.

OK, so don't download it if you don't want it.  It's one of the beautiful things about mods and DLC 

[MrFob]

This thread was a very interesting read (even if I just skimmed a couple of posts).
Just wanted to offer my perspective on a few points:

First of all, I want to say that this mod is not supposed to "fix" the endings, to invalidate BWs endings or to insult BW. It is an option, a new interpretation. Think of it as a cover song if you will. As such, it is (or at least was meant as) a tribute to this series (if maybe not exactly the endings).
Maybe it would help if quickly explained how this thing originated:
It's true, I deeply dislike the old endings but not because they are bleak or sad or depressing but because they simply do not make sense (to me). I know this has been discussed to death and over the last 7 months I have read thousands of forum pages of all conceivable stances on the ending but until this day, I maintain that they do not make sense, logically and narratively.
My first approach to tackle this issue was MEEM (as opposed to MEHEM, sorry for my lack of naming skills, see my sig for the link). This mod, I made for myself, just as others would write their fan-fiction on paper or draw an image, I wanted to put my own fan-fiction in the game. I never asked anyone to like it or to agree with it. MEEM, for me personally is still my own subjective favourite when it comes to the endings (although, it is even more rough from a technical point of view).
After MEEM, I got responses on the forums, via PMs, on youtube, etc. Most of them were not even about MEEM. When people realised the ending could be modded, I was asked one thing over and over and over again: "What about a reunion scene?". At the start, I didn't really pay much attention but then I hit upon the idea of how it could be implemented. Once I had that in my head, I just had to try it out, for the technical challenge as much as anything else, just to see if it would work. So when it turned out that it would work, I created another fan-fiction (for a reunion to make sense) and I put it online to share it with the couple of people who had asked for it in the first place. Seriously, I did not expect this kind of a response.

There are a lot of valid arguments in this thread and a lot of good points, many of which I actually agree with (an example would be David7204's point of the lack of a final confrontation with the real antagonist, at least I think it was you, sorry if I am mistaken). However, people should remember that this mod is nothing more than fan-fiction, put into the game and that it was made for those who'd enjoy it rather than as a stab at BW or their story or at those guys who are happy with the original. I am sorry if people cannot see it that way but that is how it was meant.

There is only one criticism I do resent: I have read in some comments that putting in an ending like this shows that the author (i.e. me) completely mossed the point of the whole Mass Effect series. I respectfully disagree. Maybe I missed the point of ME3 (whatever that was) but not the series. You can argue about the dominant themes and which one is the most important but if you tell me that the option - only the option - of a triumphant ending goes against everything that ME stands for, than I would argue that the previous two games plus the Rannoch and the Tuchanka arcs of the third draw a very different picture. Should a happy ending be limited to an insanely high amount of EMS? Probably and If I could, I'd mod it that way, too.

Now, sorry for this wall of text. It seemed that this thread was the right place to disclose some of the motivations and background for this project which got way bigger than I ever anticipated in the first place.
Thanks to those who support and like it and to those who don't, thank you for engaging in the discussion and I do hope that the mere existence of this mod does not dampen your enjoyment of the original and/or EC endings.

[Xerxes Black]

I'm calling it here too... IT is real, EC was just to calm us down for the surprise when ME4 hits and it was all a dream and we play as some others smuck who needs to finish the fight...
or Bioware just is sticking to a crappy ending because they don't like having... you know... a caring fan base.. because anyone who really cared for the past three games is either here raging and bickering, done with the series and will never trust Bioware again, or is alienated by the rest of the fanbase because they kinda "liked the endings".

So that is where we are at. Just my observations... please don't hit me

[thefallen2far]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The point was it was a bad analogy.

Um.... no it wasn't.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 09 novembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[Mathias]

MrFob wrote...

There is only one criticism I do resent: I have read in some comments that putting in an ending like this shows that the author (i.e. me) completely mossed the point of the whole Mass Effect series. I respectfully disagree. Maybe I missed the point of ME3 (whatever that was) but not the series. You can argue about the dominant themes and which one is the most important but if you tell me that the option - only the option - of a triumphant ending goes against everything that ME stands for, than I would argue that the previous two games plus the Rannoch and the Tuchanka arcs of the third draw a very different picture. Should a happy ending be limited to an insanely high amount of EMS? Probably and If I could, I'd mod it that way, too.
 

This is exactly how i've felt since the game released. The fact that they couldn't have that happy ending as one of the options, even in the EC, baffles me to this day. Ever since the first game, i know i can speak for many people when i say we all had that one save where we completed 100% of each game, hoping to get the Perfect Ending. Where we'd achieve ultimate victory against the Reapers, and have that happy ending. But that never happened. All that work, devotion and love i put into those playthroughs didn't amount to anything in the end.

So in that regard, i reject Bioware's endings. This mod is the canon ending for my main playthrough.

[thefallen2far]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I know for a fact that if Bioware released this as a DLC people would be calling them lazy whilst saying the world is ending.

Yeah.  That's true....... but there's 2 major differences:

1. it's not created by Bioware.  The creator had a budget of nothing and used source material already presented. If it was Bioware cutting it and claiming to be professional about it, it would be held to a higher standard.

2.  The compliment i'm giving is that it actually solves the biggest brain fart of a concept that abrupts the narrative and makes it unplayable for replays is omitted salvaging some semblance of respect so that I might be compelled to play again and remember it as not being a new concept of story element that is so horrible that it distracts from anything else that happens through the narrative [I'm call this a Mass Effect] but remember it as a full universe worth saving.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Chief Commander wrote...

Some of you may know of the mod that completely changes the ending (no starchild, no deaths, shep survives, reunion) Link here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/368/index/14795358

And as I watched the new modded ending I asked myself "Bioware, was it really that hard to do this yourself?" It´s pretty much what the majority of community wants, the polls prove this. And with some professional work it would have looked and sounded even better. Why not just retcon the endings and make what the mod shows canon? Shep can retire with his/her LI and the galaxy is a happy place without some organic-robot freaks running around.

Would you support this? I for once would even pay for it, just to finally come to peace with the series.

So Bioware throw away the "artistic integrity" and for once make your community happy and make amends after lying to us and treating us to this horrible conclusion of our beloved series.

Not bad, not bad.  I like it.  I would spend 1000 Microsoft points (which is what I currently have saved up) on a happy ending.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

This is pretty bad tbh.

[zombieord]

Appreciate the mod for the fact it cuts out the worst plot device of the series (the Catalyst). I never had a problem with Shep dying but I'm also fine with a happy ending.

I'm also willing to give up the RGB or otherwise 'choice' for an ending that remains thematically consistent. It also apparently has variations for low and high ems.

Kudos to MrFob for doing great work with such limited resources. Much prefer this to original or EC ending(s).

[Necrotron]

zombieord wrote...

Appreciate the mod for the fact it cuts out the worst plot device of the series (the Catalyst). I never had a problem with Shep dying but I'm also fine with a happy ending.

I'm also willing to give up the RGB or otherwise 'choice' for an ending that remains thematically consistent. It also apparently has variations for low and high ems.

Kudos to MrFob for doing great work with such limited resources. Much prefer this to original or EC ending(s).

Agreed, for fans who appreciate this kind of ending, it's awesome.

[Biosman]

everything before the Anderson death scene was good (bit more TIM content though maybe but...)
the original ending was bad (plot holes, star child, etc)
the dlc EC was bad, quick patched plot holes and cheeeeeesy cheeser ending

this mod is a good effort but doesn't really fix the end sufficiently.

at the end of the day the game bombed in the last 5 minutes and its gonna take
a complete rewrite and possible expansion pack to even attempt to fix it.
whats needed is starchild replacing with Harbinger, harby tries to convince shep not to activate RGB, and when he fails there a huge BOSS fight similar to the one on Tachunka, but on top of the crucible, depending on your decisions and combat readiness decides which on the RBG elements get destroyed by a threshing Harby, leaving you 1-3 choices, but my biggest gripe is i never got to take that Mofo harby DOWN after all the taunting and fighting last time out, Harbinger was completely written out of Mass Effect3? shame.

ME franchise is dead, thats what the dev wanted and he got it, an unpalatable crappy ending rendering the other two game not worth replaying, the DLC not worht downloading as there really is NO point.

[SpamBot2000]

David7204 wrote...

And here we are again.

I've seen the same thing on the Miranda threads. Threads about saving Thane. Other threads about the ending.

The same thing every time. No matter what, the 'solution' is shilled as the best thing EVER, EVER. Any problems are ignored. Any shortcomings are disregarded. And like always, people post by the dozens to praise an idea full of the same problems they've doubtless complained about incessantly elsewhere.

Just what is your major malfunction? The Ending Fix takes the material it has to work with and makes the best thing out of it. And, as it turns out, a lot of the dissatisfaction is not perfectionist in nature, just a profound disgust with the exact thing BW insist on pushing. "Shilling"? Please.

When you go on about how people would always complain, no matter what the ending was, you are clearly constructing a... figure of some kind... out of what appears to be... straw, by the looks of it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@ Mr. Fob: Thank you for the hard work you put into the mod. I'd like sometime to pick your brain about some other mod that might be able to work in conjunction with it. I plan to use it.

@ some others: The choices Starboy gives you are all unethical, every single one of them. We've discussed this ad nauseum, and ad hitlerum (when godwin's law came to pass). In the end they are all Reaper "off" buttons with "pick your atrocity" tacked on, and do you want to die?

I don't see MEHEM as a particularly happy ending. Happy ending looks like party. This is not a party. No one in the final scene looks particularly happy do they? Liara looks like she's about to break down in tears. Shepard looks like he's been hit by a train. They are mourning the loss of Anderson, and others who died in the war, their friends, families. If that is what happiness looks like to you, I suggest you increase your medication.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 09 novembre 2012 - 10:33 .

[zombieord]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@ Mr. Fob: Thank you for the hard work you put into the mod. I'd like sometime to pick your brain about some other mod that might be able to work in conjunction with it. I plan to use it.

@ some others: The choices Starboy gives you are all unethical, every single one of them. We've discussed this ad nauseum, and ad hitlerum (when godwin's law came to pass). In the end they are all Reaper "off" buttons with "pick your atrocity" tacked on, and do you want to die?

I don't see MEHEM as a particularly happy ending. Happy ending looks like party. This is not a party. No one in the final scene looks particularly happy do they? Liara looks like she's about to break down in tears. Shepard looks like he's been hit by a train. They are mourning the loss of Anderson, and others who died in the war, their friends, families. If that is what happiness looks like to you, I suggest you increase your medication.

Compared to interpretations of the original ending (relays blowing up, stranded fleets on charred Earth, etc...) this version is downright happy.

But I do see your point. The whole of ME3 is quite dark.

[darthoptimus003]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@ Mr. Fob: Thank you for the hard work you put into the mod. I'd like sometime to pick your brain about some other mod that might be able to work in conjunction with it. I plan to use it.

@ some others: The choices Starboy gives you are all unethical, every single one of them. We've discussed this ad nauseum, and ad hitlerum (when godwin's law came to pass). In the end they are all Reaper "off" buttons with "pick your atrocity" tacked on, and do you want to die?

I don't see MEHEM as a particularly happy ending. Happy ending looks like party. This is not a party. No one in the final scene looks particularly happy do they? Liara looks like she's about to break down in tears. Shepard looks like he's been hit by a train. They are mourning the loss of Anderson, and others who died in the war, their friends, families. If that is what happiness looks like to you, I suggest you increase your medication.

i seen the vid of this mod on u tube and this is the ending id love to have but i cant cause i have a 360 but this is the thing that people want from the start hell this would be a great way for bw to help start the healing process with us the paying fans