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[tictactucrac]

billy the squid wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

headshots

any weapons class would prefer the talon.

Haha.. Headshot with that little shotgun ? Yep, at 5m. Not at 30... And headshot bonus = x2.5 (base). Acolyte bonus against shield/barrier = x5. And you can't always headshot, sometimes you need to shoot fast to stun or something..

I'm not saying the Talon is crap, it's awesome. But acolyte is better IMO.

Turians. 

Irrelevant, even predator is awesome with turian soldier.

[moondoggle]

tictactucrac wrote...

moondoggle wrote...

KainD wrote...

Talon is for shooters, Acolyte is for casters. easy as that.

There we go.  Acolyte is so I can pull and reave things.  Talon is for killing everything that moves.  And collector web thingies.

Huh ? Reegar ? Harrier ? There is a lot of better weapons to "kill everything that moves"

Ahh, you see Talon is still new and exciting to me, so we've kind of got a thing going on.

[tictactucrac]

KainD wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

moondoggle wrote...

KainD wrote...

Talon is for shooters, Acolyte is for casters. easy as that.

There we go.  Acolyte is so I can pull and reave things.  Talon is for killing everything that moves.  And collector web thingies.

Huh ? Reegar ? Harrier ? There is a lot of better weapons to "kill everything that moves"

Yes, Talon AND Reegar AND Harrier are better than Acolyte at killing armored targets. What is your point? 

I can take acolyte to deplete shields better than talon, i can take harrier to wreck armor better than talon. That is my point, where, when and how could i use the talon ?

[LemurFromTheId]

tictactucrac wrote...

KainD wrote...

Talon is for shooters, Acolyte is for casters. easy as that.

Acolyte is better than talon on my destroyer or GI or anything. What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?

Acolyte X burst DPS against armor: 326.67, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 275.28
Talon I burst DPS against armor: 702.75, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 556.63
Talon X burst DPS against armor: 878.25, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 695.64

[Matieo]

I prefer the Talon, myself. Nothing analytical to it, I just simply survive better with it. At the end of the day the Acolyte is great, I use it on my Justicar, but I don't NEED it with powers and equipment at my disposal. IMO the Talon is one of those pound-for-pound best weapons in the game kinda gun. Kinda like how the Carnifex was before, well, I started getting more Talon ultra rare cards.

[Xain88]

Both are really good, but it depends on your own playstyle and which character you are going to use it on.

For example on my Vorcha I'd use the acolyte to strip shields and the flamer makes up for the weak armor damage it has.

On my Fury I'd use acolyte+ CSMG or Hurricane

On my shadow acolyte+CSMG

On paladin though or infiltrators Talon is badasz.

[billy the squid]

tictactucrac wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

headshots

any weapons class would prefer the talon.

Haha.. Headshot with that little shotgun ? Yep, at 5m. Not at 30... And headshot bonus = x2.5 (base). Acolyte bonus against shield/barrier = x5. And you can't always headshot, sometimes you need to shoot fast to stun or something..

I'm not saying the Talon is crap, it's awesome. But acolyte is better IMO.

Turians. 

Irrelevant, even predator is awesome with turian soldier.

Not really. You said you can't hit a head shot with a Talon beyond 5 meters. I beg to differ. What kit I use is irrelevant. put a shotgun in the hands of a turian suddenly you have a weapon which can effectively hit something over 20 meters away.  

I combine the Talon with a Harrier on my Turian Sol. Sentinel and Ghost. I'd pick it over an Acolyte any day as I can just slap on Phasic ammo or disruptor rounds to punch through shields and barriers. without losing the ability to damage armour and deal higer damage with the Talon when the Harrier runs out.

[tictactucrac]

Aedolon wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

KainD wrote...

Talon is for shooters, Acolyte is for casters. easy as that.

Acolyte is better than talon on my destroyer or GI or anything. What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?

Acolyte X burst DPS against armor: 326.67, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 275.28
Talon I burst DPS against armor: 702.75, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 556.63
Talon X burst DPS against armor: 878.25, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 695.64

Then now show me acolyte DPS against shields, talon DPS against shields, and Harrier/reegar/hurricane dps against armor, and tell me why i would take the Talon if i just can take Acolyte + Harrier 

[Zero132132]

tictactucrac wrote...

KainD wrote...

Talon is for shooters, Acolyte is for casters. easy as that.

Acolyte is better than talon on my destroyer or GI or anything. What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?

Bypasses shieldgate (in the sense that there are 6 projectiles and only one is interrupted by the gates), does more damage per shot to everything except shields/barriers, substantially better rate of fire and, as a result of these things, a substantially higher DPS. With armor piercing ammo or mod, it can penetrate some cover, which the Acolyte can't. Higher spare ammo capacity, too.

Do you genuinely believe that the Acolyte is better on your GI than the Talon if you're using the pistol as your primary?

[joker_jack]

On the new geth trooper kit I've been touting a wraith x and acolyte x and killing things. Acolyte is invaluable against cerberus. Any gun that can bounce a phantom like it does is always good. Wraith X with hvb kills the bosses the acolyte can't touch.

[Parallax Demon]

It all depends on the kit you're susing the the specific enemy you face.

Let's say you're facing a Geth Pyro.

When you're using a SE. You have Energy Drain for the shields, after which only the armor is there to destroy. The Talon will kill the Pyro way faster than the Acolyte would.

When you're using a Destroyer. You would use the Acolyte to strip it's shields, after which you'll switch to your other weapon to kill it fast.

When you're using an Adept. You would use the Acolyte to strip it's shields, after which you'll go for the BE's to kill it fast.

[Savato93]

UKStory135 wrote...

The talon is a one weapon to rule them all gun for classes that are highly dependent on weight and already have on-demand CC or stagger powers. The acolyte is a great sidearm for shield stripping and staggering when you have another weapon to kill bosses.

Like the human adept, though its recommended to have several ranks for the talon. Slap some warp ammo on him, and he'll tear apart nearly anything that isn't Geth with his biotics, especially the buffed-up singularity.

[stayposi1990]

The Acolyte is super awesome, but the Talon is my do-everything-on-any-character gun.

[Charaxan]

I never use an other pistol than acolyte.

As a backup weapon it staggers, as a main weapon it help for other powers.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

tictactucrac wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

headshots

any weapons class would prefer the talon.

Haha.. Headshot with that little shotgun ? Yep, at 5m. Not at 30... And headshot bonus = x2.5 (base). Acolyte bonus against shield/barrier = x5. And you can't always headshot, sometimes you need to shoot fast to stun or something..

I'm not saying the Talon is crap, it's awesome. But acolyte is better IMO.

please, i get headshots with the talon all day long at further than 30 m

[Drummernate]

I take the Talon against anything other than Cerberus.

But versus Cerberus the Acolyte is much better.

(You can get headshots at significant distances with the Talon if you are in cover and use a class with bonus accuracy like Turians/Geth/Destroyers.)

[tictactucrac]

Hmm... Thanks to all of you

SO :
Acolyte > Talon vs shields
Others > Talon vs armor
Talon > Acolyte with marksman (who cares, who plays Talon + Tsol ?)

No way to take the talon, or i'm really stupid and missing something.



^ IMO, of course.

[tictactucrac]

DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

headshots

any weapons class would prefer the talon.

Haha.. Headshot with that little shotgun ? Yep, at 5m. Not at 30... And headshot bonus = x2.5 (base). Acolyte bonus against shield/barrier = x5. And you can't always headshot, sometimes you need to shoot fast to stun or something..

I'm not saying the Talon is crap, it's awesome. But acolyte is better IMO.

please, i get headshots with the talon all day long at further than 30 m

Pics please ? Not with Turian soldier please. Not against Atlas please.

[LemurFromTheId]

tictactucrac wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

KainD wrote...

Talon is for shooters, Acolyte is for casters. easy as that.

Acolyte is better than talon on my destroyer or GI or anything. What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?

Acolyte X burst DPS against armor: 326.67, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 275.28
Talon I burst DPS against armor: 702.75, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 556.63
Talon X burst DPS against armor: 878.25, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 695.64

Then now show me acolyte DPS against shields, talon DPS against shields, and Harrier/reegar/hurricane dps against armor, and tell me why i would take the Talon if i just can take Acolyte + Harrier 

This was  your question: "What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?" and I answered it.

Talon is better at headshotting mooks than Harrier, Reegar or Hurricane. Talon X weighs 0.6 whereas Harrier X and Acolyte X weigh 1.45 - and it leaves a spot open for another weapon, e.g. a sniper rifle.

Your position is ridiculous. Talon and Acolyte are so vastly different weapons that asking which one is better is pointless. There are no absolutes, it depends on your needs.

[tictactucrac]

Aedolon wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

KainD wrote...

Talon is for shooters, Acolyte is for casters. easy as that.

Acolyte is better than talon on my destroyer or GI or anything. What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?

Acolyte X burst DPS against armor: 326.67, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 275.28
Talon I burst DPS against armor: 702.75, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 556.63
Talon X burst DPS against armor: 878.25, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 695.64

Then now show me acolyte DPS against shields, talon DPS against shields, and Harrier/reegar/hurricane dps against armor, and tell me why i would take the Talon if i just can take Acolyte + Harrier 

Talon is better at headshotting mooks than Harrier, Reegar or Hurricane. Talon X weighs 0.6 whereas Harrier X and Acolyte X weigh 1.45 - and it leaves a spot open for another weapon, e.g. a sniper rifle.

Your position is ridiculous. Talon and Acolyte are so vastly different weapons that asking which one is better is pointless. There are no absolutes, it depeThis was  your question: "What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?" and I answered it.nds on your needs.

My postion is ridiculous but i keep trying to argue. Okay.



"Talon and Acolyte are so vastly different weapons that asking which one is better is pointless."

"This was  your question: "What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?" and I answered it."

:happy:

PS : your position is ridiculous. Just sying. I'm going to play, good night

Modifié par tictactucrac, 08 novembre 2012 - 10:21 .

[Zero132132]

tictactucrac wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

KainD wrote...

Talon is for shooters, Acolyte is for casters. easy as that.

Acolyte is better than talon on my destroyer or GI or anything. What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?

Acolyte X burst DPS against armor: 326.67, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 275.28
Talon I burst DPS against armor: 702.75, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 556.63
Talon X burst DPS against armor: 878.25, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 695.64

Then now show me acolyte DPS against shields, talon DPS against shields, and Harrier/reegar/hurricane dps against armor, and tell me why i would take the Talon if i just can take Acolyte + Harrier 

So basically, your argument is that because of the Harrier, the Talon is a worse option? The DPS overall wouldn't actually be the DPS of each because of the time it takes to switch, and you're now using the combined weight of the Harrier and Acolyte (1.45) vs. the Talon's 0.6.

I run the Talon on all of my adepts except for the Drell (Wraith+Acolyte for him) so that I can get the stupid little 'Commando Package' bonus to both biotics and the pistol damage. It's light, and it can handle shields/barriers (1317.375 single-clip DPS against them, Acolyte is 1633.35) as well as health (878.25 vs 326.67, Harrier 1,187.08) and armor. Considering that the Harrier's a rapid-fire weapon, before armor piercing mods, I bet the armor damage negation actually eats a fair chunk of its DPS, but I could be wrong. Don't know how to do those calculations.

Talon isn't absolute awesometasticness, but it's good enough against everything that you won't really need to switch, unlike the Acolyte.

[DcIhNaGv3z]

I like them both, and Talon is surprisingly accurate at a distance given the visual indication of the reticle.

Overall I like the acolyte more.

[KainD]

tictactucrac wrote...

I can take acolyte to deplete shields better than talon, i can take harrier to wreck armor better than talon. That is my point, where, when and how could i use the talon ?

This thread was not about this. 

Talon doesn't exceed other similar weapons in it's performance. You asked how Talon compares to Acolyte and I gave you the answer. If you are looking for an optimal build Talon does NOT come in and yes you should bring Acolyte and Harrier instead. 

[drmoose00]

i was using acolyte exclusively for a while, and it is great. however, I gave the Talon (admittedly at X) with the HVB (+40% damage) + extended clip (7 shots) a go, and damn!  that did some serious damage. There is a stun/kickback with the weapon too. I may have to start using it instead of the Wraith X (which I love) for a while.

edit: use it for variety. the change was nice. I was using Harrier, Hurricaine, or Wraith with acolyte all the time and it gets boring.

Modifié par lemon00, 08 novembre 2012 - 10:35 .

[tictactucrac]

KainD wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

I can take acolyte to deplete shields better than talon, i can take harrier to wreck armor better than talon. That is my point, where, when and how could i use the talon ?

This thread was not about this. 

Talon doesn't exceed other similar weapons in it's performance. You asked how Talon compares to Acolyte and I gave you the answer. If you are looking for an optimal build Talon does NOT come in and yes you should bring Acolyte and Harrier instead. 

It was about this, it's just hard for me to explain things in english. And what you say is what is was expecting, so thank you so much, and good night