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[Tybo]

The Talon is better because you can one-shot most mooks with it.

[Syrus101]

Talon simply because that... I dont know it acts like an actual gun. and its a shotgun.... in a pistol...

[Zero132132]

 

tictactucrac wrote...

Hmm... Thanks to all of you

SO :
Acolyte > Talon vs shields
Others > Talon vs armor
Talon > Acolyte with marksman (who cares, who plays Talon + Tsol ?)

No way to take the talon, or i'm really stupid and missing something.

^ IMO, of course.

You're basically saying the exact same thing that I said very early in the thread. Acolyte is better as a sidearm. You're still missing that the Acolyte isn't THAT much better against shields/barriers. 1633.35/1225 burst/sustained DPS vs 1317.375/1043.46, a difference of 315.975/181.54. Meanwhile, you don't have to switch to another weapon to get good damage on health/armor. Talon is good as a primary, acolyte is a better sidearm.

[stromguard555]

tictactucrac wrote...

KainD wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

I can take acolyte to deplete shields better than talon, i can take harrier to wreck armor better than talon. That is my point, where, when and how could i use the talon ?

This thread was not about this. 

Talon doesn't exceed other similar weapons in it's performance. You asked how Talon compares to Acolyte and I gave you the answer. If you are looking for an optimal build Talon does NOT come in and yes you should bring Acolyte and Harrier instead. 

It was about this, it's just hard for me to explain things in english. And what you say is what is was expecting, so thank you so much, and good night 

Proof that Talon is a good lightweight main weapon and Acolyte is a great secondary weapon.

[bogsters23]

i use talon on slayer, fury, paladin and asari valkyrie.  
acolyte as secondary weapon on some of the characters.  

[Sailears]

Depends on the class/build and what powers you're using to complement the weapon.

Acolyte is better if you've got powers that do easy CC of health and armour.

Talon is better if you've got powers that don't differentiate between armour/health/shields/barriers, and want better consistent damage, as well as piercing.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Stentron used the Talon in his Gold Solo Speedruns.

As Zero said, the Talon is a great weapon you can use as a primary. There are very few characters which will only take the Acolyte.

I like both, but for different reasons because they serve different purposes. It's not really fair to compare them.

PS. My main reason for using the Acolyte on many of my classes is the hidden Asari dialogue. If you have an Asari teammate, they may randomly notice your Acolyte (works with Disciple, too), and they may say, "Nice gun, big boy" or "Love your *big* gun..."
Those are the only two I've heard so far.

[Sailears]

Jack Crapper wrote...
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PS. My main reason for using the Acolyte on many of my classes is the hidden Asari dialogue. If you have an Asari teammate, they may randomly notice your Acolyte (works with Disciple, too), and they may say, "Nice gun, big boy" or "Love your *big* gun..."
Those are the only two I've heard so far.

What, really? I've never heard that, is it only for the asari weapons, or for say geth weapons too?

[Jhoal]

Most of my faster classes use the Acolyte+Hurricane combo. Justicar obviously benefits from acolyte->pull->reave.

Vorcha can acolyte->flamer.

I would take Acolyte on any class where you can't reliably strip shields. This is a lot o of biotic classes. But I will use the Talon+scope to stasis snipe with an asari adept or vanguard.

[Kenadian]

Acolyte for classes that need shield stripping. Talon for everything else.

[ZiRK]

Talon for me.

[tictactucrac]

Kenadian wrote...

Acolyte for classes that need shield stripping. Harrier for everything else.

Fixed  I should not be here, i'm not here 

[me0120]

Is there a "You got Trolled" jpg somewhere so I can toss it in here?

[Tallgeese_VII]

tictactucrac wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

Acolyte for classes that need shield stripping. Harrier for everything else.

Fixed  I should not be here, i'm not here 

I lost the reason to follow this thread when you brought in Harrier into discussion when we were comparing Acolyte & Talon.

Talon simply does much better damage if used right. That`s more than enough.

[Cornughon]

A shield/barrier/health buster with area effect vs a miniature shotgun? What a strange comparison...

Both guns are good in what they're designed to do, but they're not really the same... It's like comparing the Falcon to the Harrier...

[Miniditka77]

tictactucrac wrote...

"some" stagger ? It always rarely staggers dragoons and wrecks phantoms, it's awesome. I'm sure i'll spend at least 60sec to try to kill that phantom with a Talon 


And i don't understand. Talon = good as main weapon. Acolyte > Talon. So why isn't the acolyte good (better) as main weapon ? I often play with only acolyte and do awesome matches. 

I fixed the above post for you.  I can't ever recall my Acolyte staggering a Dragoon, and I have used it a LOT.  I'm sure it has happened, but not very often.

The Talon and Acolyte are different guns with different purposes.  The Talon was previously the weapon of choice for many people to use as a dedicated shield stripper, but it's a great weapon apart from that.  It does more damage than most shotguns and fires at a pretty good rate, plus it's really light and doesn't suffer from as much armor DR as traditional shotguns.

If you are playing a character that has powers that take down armor well, then the Acolyte is a great all-around weapon.  If you are using ammo powers with a build that focuses on detonating explosions from the ammo powers, then the Acolyte is a great all-around weapon.  On pretty much any other build, the Acolyte cannot be your main weapon, or you will not do well.  The Talon can be a main weapon on any character.

The Talon is my favorite all-around weapon.  However, with SMG-ULM now working, I no longer use it as much as I used to, and I tend to favor a combination of ULM Acolyte and ULM Hurricane with HVB for my caster-type classes.  I mostly use the Talon on weapons-heavy power classes like the Justicar, on Vanguards, or on Infiltrators/Soldiers when I care about cooldowns (e.g. on the Shadow).

Modifié par Miniditka77, 08 novembre 2012 - 11:19 .

[DinkumGem]

The only class I take two weapons with usually is the Destroyer. I defaults are Talon for casters and Harrier for shooters. Talon over Acolyte, though I had forgotten how great the Paladin was until I started working on the pistol challenge.

[Aveus]

tictactucrac wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

Acolyte for classes that need shield stripping. Harrier for everything else.

Fixed  I should not be here, i'm not here 

If this is your stance then why are you comparing it with the Talon at all? I'm pretty sure your thread is titled "Talon vs Acolyte" yet all I have seen from your post is that you're comparing the Talon to an Acolyte+Harrier which is just a silly argument.

The Talon is better vs armoured targets and by a large sum, if you're taking the Harrier into the formula i'd say PPR+Acolyte is better than your Harrier+Acolyte.

[upinya slayin]

talon can be used as a primary gun w/o needing powers. I've done platinum speedruns with a GI talon build. its awesome.

The acolyte is perfect for casters to strip shields or as a backup weapon. try killing a pratorian with ust an acolyte. you'll wish you had a talon

[Coalmine]

Any kit that makes use of Pull goes hand in hand with the Acolyte.

[St3v3H]

I think you can't really compare those weapons. The Acolyte has a completely different purpose than the Talon.

[Big Jack Shepard]

tictactucrac wrote...

KainD wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

I can take acolyte to deplete shields better than talon, i can take harrier to wreck armor better than talon. That is my point, where, when and how could i use the talon ?

This thread was not about this. 

Talon doesn't exceed other similar weapons in it's performance. You asked how Talon compares to Acolyte and I gave you the answer. If you are looking for an optimal build Talon does NOT come in and yes you should bring Acolyte and Harrier instead. 

It was about this, it's just hard for me to explain things in english. And what you say is what is was expecting, so thank you so much, and good night 

I don't think you communicate well in any language.

[N7 Assass1n]

I think the Acolyte outclasses it slightly now. Not over dominant but just the general utility that it has. For example, take it on a TGI, with a Harrier and you're a jack of all trades for killing. Knocking off Barriers/Shields like nothing while also decimating Armor/Health with the immense DPS that the Harrier/PPR/Typhoon does with the TGI's bonuses. Talon is still great though.

[whateverman7]

reading this thread and all i can think is: wow, some of yall really need to try out more of what's offered in the game...

as for the topic at hand: both guns are good, but i prefer the talon...it hits hard, it's light for the power it packs, you can get headshots from any distance (on all characters not just ones with accuracy bonus), and it works on everything without ammo types