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[tatski]

I prefer Talon on kits that are capable of stripping shields like Overload/Energy Drain/Arc Nade users... Talon is a great primary/secondary weapon it is pretty much straightforward... For Biotics and Weapon Oriented kits I always bring Acolyte as a secondary weapon it is pretty handy on shielded mooks and bosses...

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Curunen wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...
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PS. My main reason for using the Acolyte on many of my classes is the hidden Asari dialogue. If you have an Asari teammate, they may randomly notice your Acolyte (works with Disciple, too), and they may say, "Nice gun, big boy" or "Love your *big* gun..."
Those are the only two I've heard so far.

What, really? I've never heard that, is it only for the asari weapons, or for say geth weapons too?

I was just kidding

[scoopapa1]

Well you've already listed strong points of the acolyte, but as for the talon:

-Higher rate of fire
-OHKOs many enemies with a headshot
-no delay between firing and hitting
-the above three mean quicker kills against many enemies
-better damage vs. armor
-Always applies its ammo power (maybe not technically always but with six pellets the chance that none of them apply the power is miniscule)

Both are very good guns and have their merits, but the above reasons are most of why I would use the Talon rather than an acolyte. These reasons (particularly the last one) led me to vastly prefer it to the acolyte on the FQE, as it always sucks to do half damage with Incinerate because the RNG wasn't on your side for that shot.

It really depends on the character, and preference to an extent.

Modifié par scoopapa1, 08 novembre 2012 - 11:50 .

[InvincibleHero]

I like them both but have to say acolyte has taken over as my preferred pistol. It is much too handy for its weight. As long as you can deal with armor then that,s the way to go.

Exception would be if you spec for headshot dmage then a talon could outperform it and is better against bosses too.

[Atheosis]

God threads like this are painful to read. People arguing over which of two good weapons is better ad nauseum when it all just boils down to personal preference and playstyle.

To OP: Try them yourself and make your own decision. Don't trust the words of fools.

[poonts]

ugh. this is silly. just because they both have bonus vs shields doesn't mean u can compare them directly. acolyte is great for any casters because its so light. It can be bounced and it staggers most enemies, has a slight aoe, yadda yadda. great weapon for any adapt especially.

The talon is a pistol/shotgun hybrid and is a great sidearm, as long as u don't need to use an ulm on it. So it's better on a weapon based character since it can deal a lot of damage and is much better vs armor than the acolyte. edit: with armor piercing mod esp.

Different niches. Both are probably the best in class for their respective purposes. But I'd never slap a talon on my fury instead of an acolyte, and id never take the acolyte on a Turian when the talon is available.

Modifié par poonts, 08 novembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

All my vanguards, most of my sentinels, and my adepts carry the acolyte. I'm gonna put it on my geth trooper after I'm done with both GPSMG challenges.

[MuKen]

poonts wrote...

Different niches. Both are probably the best in class for their respective purposes. But I'd never slap a talon on my fury instead of an acolyte, and id never take the acolyte on a Turian when the talon is available.

The Turian soldier's concussion shot actually works exceptionally well with acolyte on anything short of bosses, who you have marksmanship and marksmanship-friendly weapon of your choice for.

Modifié par MuKen, 09 novembre 2012 - 12:29 .

[whalewhisker]

scoopapa1 wrote...

Well you've already listed strong points of the acolyte, but as for the talon:

-Higher rate of fire
-OHKOs many enemies with a headshot
-no delay between firing and hitting
-the above three mean quicker kills against many enemies
-better damage vs. armor
-Always applies its ammo power (maybe not technically always but with six pellets the chance that none of them apply the power is miniscule)

Both are very good guns and have their merits, but the above reasons are most of why I would use the Talon rather than an acolyte. These reasons (particularly the last one) led me to vastly prefer it to the acolyte on the FQE, as it always sucks to do half damage with Incinerate because the RNG wasn't on your side for that shot.

It really depends on the character, and preference to an extent.

This. Both are very good guns, but it really depends on what class you plan on using.

[MP-Ryan]

Acolyte+Hurricane gives mostpowers-classes 200% cooldown. If your Talon isn't yet high enough to do that, then Acolyte/Hurricane is a better choice. If your Talon is high enough to do that, the Talon is probably a better option on most classes except a very select few (Fury).

[noob-zero]

I use Drell Adept with a Talon VI, headshot mod and extended clip (not completely necessary) and find myself unintentionally stealing and hogging all the kills. Most of the time.

[Grinch57]

OP, once again you have spurred quite a discussion.

For me, I love both weapons. The Talon is my first and so far only UR at X. I really love that shotty, er, I mean pistol. I use it on different characters and with different primary weapons, than the Acolyte. As has been said many times in this thread, on castors, for stripping shields, the Acolyte is wonderful, but then I depend on the "other" weapon and powers to take care of armor. The Talon is great at taking on armor and my other weapon or powers deal with the shields. You really can head shot the Talon beyond 5 meters, but it takes a bit of practice.

Like many of the weapons, the Talon has its own unique way of doing business. Also like most weapons, big difference between my Talon at IV and at X. I really didn't start using it much until I got it to VI, at that point it seemed worth it.

As for the Acolyte, getting rid of the charge made it easier to use, but I think in the end, it has about the same rate of fire, so that was more a learning curve issue than weapon effectiveness.

My bottom line, I like them both, a lot. But I use them differently, on different characters with different load outs. So for me, it is not that one is better than the other, but they are both great weapons that fill different niches. The Acolyte works better for you, so that sounds like it should be your weapon of choice. But give the Talon another shot (so to speak), once you have it at level VIII or higher, I think you will find you like it a lot more than your Talon IV.

Modifié par Grinch57, 09 novembre 2012 - 01:42 .

[Enhanced]

I prefer the Talon. But, I have to admit, the Acolyte is a more powerful weapon overall. It's excellent against all enemies except highly armored boss units.  It's starting to remind me of the original Krysae. So, enjoy it while you can because it'll get nerfed eventually.

Modifié par Enhanced, 09 novembre 2012 - 02:05 .

[NuclearTech76]

The pattern is tightened with the scope mod on with any class with built in accuracy bonuses the talon becomes a sniper/shotgun/pistol at range. It's good on any geth or a turian soldier but really the talon is awesome on just about any character.

[megawug]

Other than adepts, I wouldn't even consider the acolyte as a primary weapon. So far, I prefer the Wraith over the Talon.

[Arppis]

Never liked Talon, it's slow, has slow reload speed, only few shots per reload and like 3 magazines worth of shots, doesn't do that good damage at body shots, so you are forced to aim to the head.

Not a very good gun.

[Flambrose]

ITT: I'm going to ignore all the good points people make about the Talon and insist a loadout weighing 100% more is more effective in every possible situation.

[upinya slayin]

Arppis wrote...

Never liked Talon, it's slow, has slow reload speed, only few shots per reload and like 3 magazines worth of shots, doesn't do that good damage at body shots, so you are forced to aim to the head.

Not a very good gun.

Not enough damage?

Perosnally i've done platinum speed runs with a GI and...
wraith
pirhanna
raider
talon
hurricane
harrier

And all those are very capable layouts

[xx DJ ONE xx]

tictactucrac wrote...

Hmm... Thanks to all of you

SO :
Acolyte > Talon vs shields
Others > Talon vs armor
Talon > Acolyte with marksman (who cares, who plays Talon + Tsol ?)

No way to take the talon, or i'm really stupid and missing something.



^ IMO, of course.

You're not stupid...but you seem to have forgotten the title (and point) of your own thread. Yes, a combo that includes an acolyte & several of the other weapons you mentioned would be quite viable. In fact, if it were possible to deploy with the Acolyte & Talon they would make a fantastic, light weight, cover-all-the-bases set-up. If I were given the choice to go to battle without any powers & could take only one of the two weapons that we're comparing (ie as your title hypothetically suggests), that weapon would always be the Talon...always.

[Miniditka77]

Arppis wrote...

Never liked Talon, it's slow, has slow reload speed, only few shots per reload and like 3 magazines worth of shots, doesn't do that good damage at body shots, so you are forced to aim to the head.

Not a very good gun.

You have to be trolling.  I'm pretty sure my Talon IV has a 32-round capacity, which means 7 magazines worth of shots (which is more than the Acolyte, BTW).  It does more damage per shot than pretty much any other pistol (and most of the shotguns) for body shots, and it has quicker refire speeds and reload speed than most of the shotguns.  It may have the best DPS for its weight on the game.  If you don't like it, that's fine.  But at least pick real reasons instead of the ones you made up in your head.

[victobael]

It depends the talon is more of a utilitarian weapon where as it is good at everything where as the acolyte is a specialty weapon that can far excede that of the talon ie killing phantoms are destroying shield and barriers and unarmored targets where as the talon is great against armored targets and unarmored targets alike and can reliably strip away shields etc personally i like the talon more then the harrier and i love the harrier both are very very good weapons it just depends on how they are used

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

victobael wrote...

It depends the talon is more of a utilitarian weapon where as it is good at everything where as the acolyte is a specialty weapon that can far excede that of the talon ie killing phantoms are destroying shield and barriers and unarmored targets where as the talon is great against armored targets and unarmored targets alike and can reliably strip away shields etc personally i like the talon more then the harrier and i love the harrier both are very very good weapons it just depends on how they are used

Err.. the Talon kills phantoms easily too.