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[RedJohn]

my fastest solo time is with Talon + Slayer.

So, Talon is better for me.

Acolyte is not bad, but it isn't as good as Talon is.

[victobael]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

victobael wrote...

It depends the talon is more of a utilitarian weapon where as it is good at everything where as the acolyte is a specialty weapon that can far excede that of the talon ie killing phantoms are destroying shield and barriers and unarmored targets where as the talon is great against armored targets and unarmored targets alike and can reliably strip away shields etc personally i like the talon more then the harrier and i love the harrier both are very very good weapons it just depends on how they are used

Err.. the Talon kills phantoms easily too.

Yes it does that's why I love the Talon buy the acolyte does a better job then the Talon in that regard.

Modifié par victobael, 09 novembre 2012 - 04:03 .

[Richter Harken]

victobael wrote...

It depends the talon is more of a utilitarian weapon where as it is good at everything where as the acolyte is a specialty weapon ...

This is more or less how I feel about the Talon. It's strength is that it has very few weaknesses, and has an overall good performance in most situations.

When I carry an acolyte, it's always as a sidearm to deal with specific circumstances. When I carry a Talon, I use it against everything.

Modifié par Richter Harken, 09 novembre 2012 - 04:19 .

[PrimoMexicano]

tictactucrac wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

KainD wrote...

Talon is for shooters, Acolyte is for casters. easy as that.

Acolyte is better than talon on my destroyer or GI or anything. What does really have Talon that Acolyte has NOT, making it better in X situation ?

Acolyte X burst DPS against armor: 326.67, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 275.28
Talon I burst DPS against armor: 702.75, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 556.63
Talon X burst DPS against armor: 878.25, sustained DPS with reload cancel: 695.64

Then now show me acolyte DPS against shields, talon DPS against shields, and Harrier/reegar/hurricane dps against armor, and tell me why i would take the Talon if i just can take Acolyte + Harrier 

weight. I cant carry a harrier/reegar on my caster classes that destroy sheilds(HE, Paladin), if i can deal with sheilds another way but can tolerate the weight of harrier/reegar, i carry the talon

[victobael]

true i forgot about that little fact ..just woke up
Talon is just an all-around great weapon

[gavgav77]

Both have their uses, but I much prefer the Talon. In fact, I was using it last night.
Turian Sentinel + Talon + Incendiary Ammo + Overload = fire explode all the things!

Did I do it right? 

Modifié par winawer, 09 novembre 2012 - 04:20 .

[victobael]

Normally i just use a Talon + armor piercing mod * extended clip mod and watch things die

[sanitarium616]

A talon on any class with accuracy bonuses (geth, destroyer, turian soldier) and a scope is extremely accurate. You can get all of the pellets to hit your target even at medium to long range, which will kill almost anything human sized in 1-2 shots.

The acolyte is a great weapon, but I wouldn't call it better than the talon. It's definitely easier to use since it's area of effect, but if you can reliably headshot with the talon, you'll kill things much faster than the acolyte is capable of.

[genomandril]

The acolyte has the same cheesy feeling as the reegar or the krysae before.

[tictactucrac]

I see you like that thread 

Modifié par tictactucrac, 09 novembre 2012 - 04:57 .

[genomandril]

Ouais, je l'adore ;-)

[BACON4BREAKFAST]

talon
applies ammo powers well
does a lot of damage up close
can be fired from cover for distance
good against shields/barriers/armor

Acolyte
bullets have travel time, so its affected by lag
massive damage to shields/barrier
stagger/ CC
does jack diddly against armor

[Zero132132]

Arppis wrote...

Never liked Talon, it's slow, has slow reload speed, only few shots per reload and like 3 magazines worth of shots, doesn't do that good damage at body shots, so you are forced to aim to the head.

Not a very good gun.

You also only have it at III. I was really disappointed when I kept drawing it, because I felt the same way after a few tries. When I got it to IX, I decided that it was stupid not to at least give it a go. At X, the spare capacity is 36, so you get 10 clips including the one already loaded. The damage is great, too, and it bypasses shieldgate because it has multiple pellets. And I don't know what the hell you mean when you call it slow. It isn't immediate, but it isn't slow either.

[Zero132132]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Curunen wrote...

Jack Crapper wrote...
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PS. My main reason for using the Acolyte on many of my classes is the hidden Asari dialogue. If you have an Asari teammate, they may randomly notice your Acolyte (works with Disciple, too), and they may say, "Nice gun, big boy" or "Love your *big* gun..."
Those are the only two I've heard so far.

What, really? I've never heard that, is it only for the asari weapons, or for say geth weapons too?

I was just kidding

 Why? I tried so hard to replicate this experience earlier, and I found nothing but disappointment! You monster!

[N7 Whiskey]

I love both the Talon and Acolyte, and thankfully they serve completely different roles.

The Talon is for lighter weight kits that want the utility of a shotgun but don't want to be hampered by CDTs of shotguns with similar damage, and kits that don't require shields/barriers be stripped in order for thier powers to work. Great tool for Human/Drell/Asari/Phoenix Adepts & Vanguards and kits with Overload. On Many of those kits I use the Cerb Hornet for long/medium range headshotting and want a reliable shotgun for CQC all while keeping my CDT @ 150% or better.

The Acolyte is one of the best tools available to us and obviously is highly effective on any kit, but it is sometimes not really needed or doesn't synergize with the kit. Human Engineer is on such kit as Overload is capable of intantly draining shields/barriers so the Acolytle is fairly redundant. But for kits like the FQE the Acolyte fills the one area the kit cannot cover and makes tech combos easy and devastating. Also works wonders on anything with Pull or as an anti-Phantom sidearm for snipers or designated marksmen.


BioWare has given us a wide variety of tools and kits with which we can all be successful, but sometimes we as players tend to get hung up on certain combinations and forget just how effective lesser used/praised combinations can be. The new challenge system has opened the eyes of many and as a fan of this MP, I hope more players embrace the diversity this game offers.

[Lives Must Die]

They are both good. I find that as a sidearm (in addition to another gun), there is absolutely no reason not to take an Acolyte as it can fire great distances, bounce around corners, and does crazy shield/barrier damage.

Talon is quite nice as well though, and sometimes I will use it on characters that only need a strong pistol that are up close and personal.... like a Batarian Sentinel or something like that. I also like to use it on the Shadow and sometimes the Slayer as well.

[drmoose00]

Arppis wrote...

Never liked Talon, it's slow, has slow reload speed, only few shots per reload and like 3 magazines worth of shots, doesn't do that good damage at body shots, so you are forced to aim to the head.

Not a very good gun.

you really should try it again....

[Cloaking_Thane]

Infiltrator + Talon X/ Hurricane or Hornet = Profit

[Silbane_23]

Acolyte strengths are unique to it (ie nothing comes close as far as shield stripping). Plus it's a superb phantom killer.

Talon strengths can be replicated by guns like the wraith.

Therefore on most kits I'd prefer to take acolyte along with wraith/piranha vs talon

[tictactucrac]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Infiltrator + Talon X/ Hurricane or Hornet = Profit

 should try the predator nope ? Infltrator = heavy weapon, even on a duration-TC. IMO.

Modifié par tictactucrac, 09 novembre 2012 - 06:46 .

[UEG Donkey]

The Talon is the most versatile weapon in the game for any class that needs a cd of < 150%. I don't even know why this is a debate for casters. On other classes it makes sense to use an acolyte to strip shields and use AR or Shotguns for everything else.

[Cloaking_Thane]

tictactucrac wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Infiltrator + Talon X/ Hurricane or Hornet = Profit

 should try the predator nope ? Infltrator = heavy weapon, even on a duration-TC. IMO.

Try it out sometime.

[Grunt_Platform]

The Talon is more lag friendly, and if you actually want to kill things with your gun, it's the better choice.

The Acolyte's great if you need either shield stripping, or some light weight crowd control.

[Sailears]

St3v3H wrote...

I think you can't really compare those weapons. The Acolyte has a completely different purpose than the Talon.

True. Even though they're both in the pistol category, there are many times when I want to take both together.

The talon is the overall best weapon in the game. But the acolyte is an incredibly handy tool; irreplaceable on some classes/builds.