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[MissOuJ]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Boys have penises, girls have boobies. Your argument is invalid.

Umm.... no.

Mammals have breasts (as in, you know, mammaries) to feed their young with. And since we know Turians are not mammals, it'd be rather weird for a female Turian to "have those weird bumps in [her] chest" as a certain Turian groundskeeper memorabily put it (or not, since said dialogue was, for some reason, deleted).

On topic: TBQH, I can't really say. In some angles, it looks like she does have breasts, and then sometimes she looks pretty flat-chested: see here. It could just be the way her robe/cloack/whatever folds. Also, doesn't the Turian chest carapace kinda give their chests' a bit nore roundish shape? could be that also.

All in all, I think Nyreen looks pretty cool (if she doesn't end up having a huge rack to up the sex appeal) and I'm glad to see alien females who are not carbon copies of their male counterparts (ie. Salarians) or "male-in-a-burga" (ie. Krogan, although Bakara kicks major a** as a character).

[megamacka]

Did you not know? Sex sells.
Look at the videos on youtubes. Girls with cleavage = easy thousands perhaps even milions of views. Why can't the horny teenagers stick with plain and simple porn instead of polluting the gaming industry.

EDIs cameltoe.... Everyone had a boob job... Diana allers ( seriously... ) ... Close up on Mirandas behind every single time she speaks.... Did I mention.. robot cameltoe? o.o

[Applepie_Svk]

thearbiter1337 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Maybe Turians are not quite birds?

It's not so much that as it is Bioware's current inability to not sex up the female characters.

Right now, Bakara is all I have.

There's still hope for the drell, maybe.

Female Drell.avi

Well played sir...

[Ranger Jack Walker]

The design is only inspired partly by avian species. Turians are NOT birds.

I'm shaking my head at the accusations of Bioware staff being a bunch of horny 14 year olds epsecially since Nyreen came after the likes of Benezia, Miranda, ME3-Ashley and ME3-EDI. What a bunch of idiots we have here. Nyreen's 'boob's aren't even big enough to qualify for being called over-sexualization.

The fandumb is strong in this forum.

[EnvyTB075]

Wowky wrote...

Seriously...we potentially have a really cool character with a colourful back story and some people are focusing on the fact she might have curves on her chest? Do these people even pay attention to the story or anything when they play?

>Implying we can't pay attention to the story whilst also paying attention to everything else in the game? A game is nothing without its visualisation.

Their biology tells a tale in its own right, and BioWare simply decided to take a dump on that story because they deem their audience to be incapable of treating a female character seriously without cleavage. The effects of this design choice have implications far beyond a mere 4 hour self contained Cerberus shoot-a-thon with little tidbits of story here and there where the end result is 800 more war assets to add onto our 3000 or so MP "assets".

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

What a bunch of idiots we have
here. Nyreen's 'boob's aren't even big enough to qualify for being
called over-sexualization.

The fandumb is strong in this forum.

If you had actually been paying attention to the arguments against such characterisation, you would find that the mere existance of breasts on a species that, according to all empirical evidence, cannot utilise the basic function of that specific part of the body is exactly that, over-sexualisation and evidence of using human standards to define an alien being.

It shows a complete lack of creativity. I've yet to see any logical argument for that doesn't fall back to "Its BioWare, they can do what they want" or a long list of maybes with absolutely no hard evidence to support it.

Fact is their established hostile environment and their current evolutionary standard where they cannot, under any circumstance, create the suction necessary to allow the act of breastfeeding dictates that they shouldn't have them. Period.

If looking at the facts and being able to analyse them makes me an idiot, then i'm the biggest ****** on the BSN, and proud of it.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[Someone With Mass]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

The design is only inspired partly by avian species. Turians are NOT birds.

I'm shaking my head at the accusations of Bioware staff being a bunch of horny 14 year olds epsecially since Nyreen came after the likes of Benezia, Miranda, ME3-Ashley and ME3-EDI. What a bunch of idiots we have here. Nyreen's 'boob's aren't even big enough to qualify for being called over-sexualization.

The fandumb is strong in this forum.

Seriously. You have to pay extra attention to see those things.

But what's even better is that the people that are accusing the whole thing of being sexist were almost immediately focusing on the chest area when the images first popped up.

Funny how that works.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:09 .

[Raizo]

FOX216BC wrote...

 

Nice. I could stare at those all day.

What......., you mean we were supposed to be discussing Nyreen and the fact that female Turians suddenly have boobs. Sorry I'm not exactly sure how to respond to that.

[EnvyTB075]

Someone With Mass wrote...

But what's even better is that the people that are accusing the whole thing of being sexist were almost immediately focusing on the chest area when the images first popped up.

Ever thought that this was actually one of the greatest concerns regarding the appearance of Nyreen in game? We held out hope that they wouldn't do this and actually create something different for once, as they recognised they would have to if they ever created a female turian.

[bluebeam]

This is more likely...


She might be a super badass military woman too busy to even sleep, but she won't forget her makeup.

Wowky wrote...

Seriously...we potentially have a really cool character with a colourful back story and some people are focusing on the fact she might have curves on her chest? Do these people even pay attention to the story or anything when they play?

Is immersion not a factor for you? For me it's essential. A bad VA for me ruins it, as does a stupid plot twist or an oversexualized character where it's not needed (see EDI...). A humanized Turian, no matter how cute she is, breaks immersion for me. Turians are not mammals, period. 
On the other hand, kudos to the ones who dared design female krogans and salarians without feeling the need to make them appealing to male adolescents, like the rest of the female designs in the game do.

[Wowky]

bluebeam wrote...

Wowky wrote...

Seriously...we potentially have a really cool character with a colourful back story and some people are focusing on the fact she might have curves on her chest? Do these people even pay attention to the story or anything when they play?

Is immersion not a factor for you? For me it's essential. A bad VA for me ruins it, as does a stupid plot twist or an oversexualized character where it's not needed (see EDI...). A humanized Turian, no matter how cute she is, breaks immersion for me. Turians are not mammals, period. 
On the other hand, kudos to the ones who dared design female krogans and salarians without feeling the need to make them appealing to male adolescents, like the rest of the female designs in the game do.

Immersion is a factor for me, yes, it's just there are other things that I would consider more problematic for immersion than anthropomorphising characters (for me personally, anyway). Making others species more "human" has been happening for donkey's years in movies/books/games, so to be honest if Nyreen has a pair of boobs I really don't care, as long as she's an awesome character who is well-written and has a good VA.

[Someone With Mass]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Ever thought that this was actually one of the greatest concerns regarding the appearance of Nyreen in game? We held out hope that they wouldn't do this and actually create something different for once, as they recognised they would have to if they ever created a female turian.

To cry about something that insignificant because it's apparently the same approach as done with someone like Miranda is just sad, anyway.

As I said before, for people that want to have deep characters and complex story arcs, they sure are focusing a lot of their time on the extremely superficial parts about the character, just because it might "ruin" the character. Which it would only achieve if the character is starting to ramble on about its sexual appeal all the damn time, which I so far haven't seen Nyreen do.

"Whaaa, it doesn't make sense from a biological standpoint!"

Well, hate to break it to ya, but they are aliens, which means that they don't have to necessarily follow our planet's biological rules, there are animals that have gained traits from different species and there's almost no information regarding turian kids, besides from the fact that they are experiencing a live birth.

As for the "it's only for hormone-driven teens" argument, I can say that just because people are past that age doesn't mean their sex-drives are nonexistent. People can appreciate an attractive look if it's done right, which I'd say that it is with Nyreen. Mostly because it's done more with her face than with her breasts and I can barely see those things unless I'm really trying to.

Even if I did, I'd think that I'm focusing on the wrong things, since it'd accomplish nothing.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

The Codex states that Turians give live birth I believe. Besides, they are not birds or reptiles. They only look like them. That does not mean they function exactly like them.

EnvyTB075...

evidence of using human standards to define an alien being

I find it quite ironic that you accuse others of using human standards to define aliens in a sexist manner when you're doing the exact same thing except to an even greater degree.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Wowky wrote...

Immersion is a factor for me, yes, it's just there are other things that I would consider more problematic for immersion than anthropomorphising characters (for me personally, anyway). Making others species more "human" has been happening for donkey's years in movies/books/games, so to be honest if Nyreen has a pair of boobs I really don't care, as long as she's an awesome character who is well-written and has a good VA.

Would agree with that. And it's been happening since ME1. The first time I saw the Asari, I thought: How can a species living thousand light years away from us look 99.9999% human?

Modifié par pirate1802, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:49 .

[MissOuJ]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

The design is only inspired partly by avian species. Turians are NOT birds.

I'm shaking my head at the accusations of Bioware staff being a bunch of horny 14 year olds epsecially since Nyreen came after the likes of Benezia, Miranda, ME3-Ashley and ME3-EDI. What a bunch of idiots we have here. Nyreen's 'boob's aren't even big enough to qualify for being called over-sexualization.

The fandumb is strong in this forum.

I think that's exactly the reason why people are complaining: more like "oh gawd, not again (even if it's not that bad)" than "but but but they have such a great track record, why'd they ruin it with this?"

I have to say, from what I've seen, I don't find her design overly sexualised. I think what's bothering most people is the possibility that the design team went "well, we're designing a woman, so we clearly have to come up with some overly stereotypical feminized shorthand for this, since it's not like we can just do a regular character and see what fits her personality/fighting style etc." which is a valid concern in my opinnion, although I haven't really seen it so far with Nyreen's design.

Sure, she's got this weird not-quite-eyeliner-but-definitedly-something-feminine -thing going on with her eyes which I'm side-eyeing a bit, but as far as I'm concerned it could be worse. At least she didn't get a pink bow...

[bluebeam]

What MissOuJ said. I like the characters anyway, it's just that some things are so... unnecessary.

Wowky wrote...

Immersion is a factor for me, yes, it's just there are other things that I would consider more problematic for immersion than anthropomorphising characters (for me personally, anyway). Making others species more "human" has been happening for donkey's years in movies/books/games, so to be honest if Nyreen has a pair of boobs I really don't care, as long as she's an awesome character who is well-written and has a good VA.

Fair enough, we have different ideas on what is immersion-breaking and what isn't. Still, I keep execting designers to positively surprise me.

[zsom]

Khm.. let me show you what oversexualization is nowadays:

(Warning a bit NSFW)

http://www.youtube.c...v_E9WLus#t=165s

And bare in mind that this piece of "art" was hailed as the saviour of the RPG genre, the best game of last year, and hoards of fans here on the BSN demanded Bioware to learn from it.

While I agree that ****** on a bird are kind on silly, I think we are still mostly OK compared to that.

Modifié par zsom, 11 novembre 2012 - 03:15 .

[B.Shep]

Someone With Mass don't bother. This useless discussion will keep going until they release the DLC...

[Maxster_]

zsom wrote...

Khm.. let me show you what oversexualization is nowadays:

(Warning a bit NSFW)

http://www.youtube.c...v_E9WLus#t=165s

And bare in mind that this piece of "art" was hailed as the saviour of the RPG genre, the best game of last year, and hoards of fans here on the BSN demanded Bioware to learn from it.

While I agree that ****** on a bird are kind on silly, I think we are still mostly OK compared to that.

I guess you never read Witcher books.

[d-boy15]

zsom wrote...

Khm.. let me show you what oversexualization is nowadays:

(Warning a bit NSFW)

http://www.youtube.c...v_E9WLus#t=165s

And bare in mind that this piece of "art" was hailed as the saviour of the RPG genre, the best game of last year, and hoards of fans here on the BSN demanded Bioware to learn from it.

While I agree that ****** on a bird are kind on silly, I think we are still mostly OK compared to that.

nudity is not oversexualization.

also, it fit well with the characters and theme, that scene is a pure lust not romance.

still, as I say in other thread the bird with boobs is not strange if we already got a lesbian race 

Modifié par d-boy15, 11 novembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[LiarasShield]

d-boy15 wrote...

zsom wrote...

Khm.. let me show you what oversexualization is nowadays:

(Warning a bit NSFW)

http://www.youtube.c...v_E9WLus#t=165s

And bare in mind that this piece of "art" was hailed as the saviour of the RPG genre, the best game of last year, and hoards of fans here on the BSN demanded Bioware to learn from it.

While I agree that ****** on a bird are kind on silly, I think we are still mostly OK compared to that.

nudity is not oversexualization.

also, it fit well with the characters and theme, that scene is a pure lust not romance.

still, as I say in other thread the bird with boobs is not strange if we already got a lesbian race 

Well the asari can reproduce with any race or gender it doesn't automaticlly make them a lesbian race it just means they can reproduce with anyone or anything

[bluebeam]

Oversexualization is not even the point in this case, zsom & co. Is it that hard to understand?

[EnvyTB075]

bluebeam wrote...

Oversexualization is not even the point in this case, zsom & co. Is it that hard to understand?

Apparently it is.

Standard operating procedure as per BSN. If anyone makes a good point, skim over it and call it whining about something superficial because god forbid anyone make a rational argument.

Someone With Mass wrote...
Well, hate to break it to ya, but
they are aliens, which means that they don't have to necessarily follow
our planet's biological rules.

Please tell me i'm not the only one who sees just how stupid this statement is, right?

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

I
find it quite ironic that you accuse others of using human standards to
define aliens in a sexist manner when you're doing the exact same thing
except to an even greater degree.

So pointing out that their biology and environmental hazards dictates that breastfeeding is non-existant within the Turian race is sexist?

The amount of dumb you are spewing onto your keyboard is horrendous.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 11 novembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

LiarasShield wrote...


Well the asari can reproduce with any race or gender it doesn't automaticlly make them a lesbian race it just means they can reproduce with anyone or anything

Let's not kid ourselves. Asari were at least partially designed with lesbians in mind.

[LiarasShield]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...


Well the asari can reproduce with any race or gender it doesn't automaticlly make them a lesbian race it just means they can reproduce with anyone or anything

Let's not kid ourselves. Asari were at least partially designed with lesbians in mind.

Obviously you don't pay attention to the codex or the lore of the asari race do you?

[Someone With Mass]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Please tell me i'm not the only one who sees just how stupid this statement is, right?

Not as stupid as whining about someone's glands, that's for sure.