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The Reaper motive should it have been kept a mystery?

Débuté par Binary_Helix 1 , nov. 10 2012 01:09

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Posté 10 novembre 2012 - 10:26

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sharkboy421 wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Saying yes pretty much means you would have preferred Mass effect 3 to have a different plot.


I don't think so.  The Reaper motive could have been vaguely hinted at while we were building the Crucible.  Then at the ending, depending on a variety of factors determines just how well the Crucible works.  It could flat out fail, kill everything, kill only Reapers, kill only humans, the list goes on.  Same plot just not awkward conversation with the catalyst AI.


It's not that simple, you would have to remove the Leviathans too along with the Catalyst.
So no cut content to be later sold as DLC for them.

Also I was said it in a way to avoid their motives while explaining everything else.
Simply making the Crucible even more vague is counterproductive, it is possible but the plot would still stink.
I'd say it would be a worst put together finale than what we got, as in it makes even less sense and raises even more questions than answers.


People don't want that, a new plot is what people want when they vote to make Reaper motives hidden they just don't know it.

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Posté 10 novembre 2012 - 11:41

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MegaSovereign wrote...

No. That would have been lame.


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Posté 10 novembre 2012 - 12:09

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I belive it should've been explained...
but in a vanilla game, not a DLC.

Modifié par Mr Cloud, 10 novembre 2012 - 12:10 .

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Posté 10 novembre 2012 - 12:23

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I certainly enjoyed the Reapers being an alien and unknowable force like they were in ME1 & 2, but as much as we may like to think it should have stayed that way, I really don't think we'd all have been satisfied in the end. So no. Not an absolute mystery, anyway.

We should have learned some stuff, but having the whole reason laid out for us in a few short sentences was definitely not satisfying. Especially when we've had 3 Reapers tell us we couldn't comprehend it, and it turned out to be so straightforward and simplistic.

Maybe there should have been more than one reason for the Cycle. It could have been to do with managing resource consumption, culling civilisations to allow new ones to rise, bringing order to the chaos of organic advancement (as Sovereign said), maybe dark energy and how mass effect technology affects it? I dunno, make it a bit more complex?

And as a sidenote, the dark energy plot laid out in the leaks is equally silly in my opinion.

Modifié par isnudo, 10 novembre 2012 - 01:16 .

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Posté 10 novembre 2012 - 12:24

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KingZayd wrote...

I voted "yes", but what I mean by my vote is:
Their motives should have been hinted at, and not explicitly stated. Ultimately left up to interpretation.

This. Little hints would have been enough.

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 12:08

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In my opinion, it never should've been a mystery to begin with. I hate it when writers have villains whose motives are never revealed or have those villains claim that their motives can't be understood because they're so much more high and mighty than the rest of us. I view it as an excuse used by lazy writers to not think up a motive for the bad guy, and it also means that, if they ever decide to reveal their motives, then they'll almost inevitably be disappointing and anti-climactic - and was that ever true for the Reapers.

Modifié par someguy1231, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:10 .

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 12:11

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I think there would have been a lot of anger on these forums if it wasn't revealed.

...I suppose...the same amount of anger the current motive produced.

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 12:12

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Wow I made a thread like this one and 4 pages worth of responses all but 3 said they wanted it to remain a mystery

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 12:14

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No, more whiners incoming complaining they weren't a real villan.

But my person opinion? Nope

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 12:16

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There was no need to simplify the motives of something that is introduced as god-like and incomprehensible, so yes it would have been better if kept a mystery.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:20 .

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 07:43

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I think that they should have left it a mystery and let the players use the information on the series to figure it out

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 07:44

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MegaSovereign wrote...

No. That would have been lame.


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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 08:05

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I don't think you can create ancient god-like beings who cull the galaxy every 50.000 years and come as a nasty surprise and not make them a mystery.

Who was going to explain them?
Option A. Have an ancient data cache (or something) fall into your lap revealing all the secrets to you. The knowledge of generations.
Option B. The creators pop up and explain everything. After millions of years.
Option C. The Reapers come out and explain themselves. Which they did. (And it left many unimpressed.)

None of these options are particularly smart or good writing.

Modifié par klarabella, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:48 .

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 08:07

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So the reapers just derpy do along every 50,000 years and do this...just cause.

Wow, so the evil for the sake of evil motivation, never seen that done in a giant god like villian before.

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 08:18

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A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Saying yes pretty much means you would have preferred Mass effect 3 to have a different plot.


You're wrong and you'd realise it if you were giving this a little thought. The ending give us a new "plot" that is completely detached from ME3 or ME in general. So, no, ME3 wouldn't have a "different plot" if they reapers's objectives were unknown.

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 08:23

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Yaos wrote...

A Bethesda Fan wrote...

Saying yes pretty much means you would have preferred Mass effect 3 to have a different plot.


You're wrong and you'd realise it if you were giving this a little thought. The ending give us a new "plot" that is completely detached from ME3 or ME in general. So, no, ME3 wouldn't have a "different plot" if they reapers's objectives were unknown.


Shepard and the catalyst talking.

Shepard: Why are you doing this?
Cataylst: It is not a thing you can comprehend, now pick a color.

*End credits roll*

Modifié par xsdob, 11 novembre 2012 - 08:27 .

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Posté 11 novembre 2012 - 08:24

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Yes, it should have been kept a mystery, but only because the back story they got turned out to be so half-assed, stupid, and tied into an ending that is either irrelevant or contrary to every major theme of the Mass Effect series. If the back story had actually been good, I wouldn't necessarily be against their having it. Though they were also perfectly fine having motives beyond our ken, too.
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