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[Induhvidual]

First of all, who cares?

Secondly, there's no point in arguing. The way I see it, 99% of BSN is ready to get on all fours for any of the so-called celebs. Doesn't matter who is right or wrong.

Modifié par Induhvidual, 10 novembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[Javo2357]

LOL I can't believe you're still going on about this OP. I've done it before as well...it's definitely possible.

[Anders028]

The problem I have with your video proof is that we can not see all your build and if you have power amp 3 or 4. Also we cannot see if you are actually on Gold.

Your evidence only shows what you are trying to prove not all the pieces we need to see to call it definitive

[Feneckus]

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

[Ashen One]

Anders028 wrote...

The problem I have with your video proof is that we can not see all your build and if you have power amp 3 or 4. Also we cannot see if you are actually on Gold.

Your evidence only shows what you are trying to prove not all the pieces we need to see to call it definitive

You can't see my build, but the clip is obviously from either Gold or Plat. You saw I took out 2 Atlases At the end of  wave 5, and the clip runs until the start of the wave 6 objective.

Silver caps Atlas spawns at 1 on the map at a time on wave 5, and I'm pretty sure wave 5 Bronze doesn't even have Atlases

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 10 novembre 2012 - 02:19 .

[Ashen One]

Feneckus wrote...

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

Don't bother, he'll accuse you of doctoring it in Widows Live Movie Maker.

[Sniper21987]

not sure if u can do an altas but u can do a brute and banshee with it take it down just below half and then just bleed to death in the next few seconds

[Ryan_H]

Feneckus wrote...

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

Requirements:
1.  No Hunter Mode
2.  No Power Damage Gear
3.  Power Amp III
4.  No DoT damage
5.  And it must be clear that the damage you used to destroy the shields doesn't carry over to damage the armor.

[Anders028]

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

Requirements:
1.  No Hunter Mode
2.  No Power Damage Gear
3.  Power Amp III
4.  No DoT damage
5.  And it must be clear that the damage you used to destroy the shields doesn't carry over to damage the armor.

NVM I give up on caring about this thread

Modifié par Anders028, 10 novembre 2012 - 02:23 .

[Asebstos]

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

Requirements:
1.  No Hunter Mode
2.  No Power Damage Gear
3.  Power Amp III
4.  No DoT damage
5.  And it must be clear that the damage you used to destroy the shields doesn't carry over to damage the armor.

Why no hunter mode?

The class has Hunter Mode, why not use it if that's how your build is? Seems like an odd requirement.

Edit: Ah, sorry, I see that AE said that 'even without hunter mode' it was possible. I'm guessing power damage in Fortification and full power damage in the passive? Looks like that should end up significantly more powerful than a Vorcha with maxed stacks of Bloodlust specced for power damage.


Edit2: No DOT damage? LOL wut? That's part of the power, bro. Who cares if it dies while the flame is active or after its out so long as it still dies from the single cast?

Modifié par Asebstos, 10 novembre 2012 - 02:27 .

[KiraTsukasa]

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

Requirements:
1.  No Hunter Mode
2.  No Power Damage Gear
3.  Power Amp III
4.  No DoT damage
5.  And it must be clear that the damage you used to destroy the shields doesn't carry over to damage the armor.

Why not just tell him to spec out of flamer as well?

[gilgamesh v9]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

Requirements:
1.  No Hunter Mode
2.  No Power Damage Gear
3.  Power Amp III
4.  No DoT damage
5.  And it must be clear that the damage you used to destroy the shields doesn't carry over to damage the armor.

Why not just tell him to spec out of flamer as well?

beat me to it. I understand testing non-ideal circumstances but I don't understand testing stupid circumstances 

[Anders028]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Anders028 wrote...

The problem I have with your video proof is that we can not see all your build and if you have power amp 3 or 4. Also we cannot see if you are actually on Gold.

Your evidence only shows what you are trying to prove not all the pieces we need to see to call it definitive

You can't see my build, but the clip is obviously from either Gold or Plat. You saw I took out 2 Atlases At the end of  wave 5, and the clip runs until the start of the wave 6 objective.

Silver caps Atlas spawns at 1 on the map at a time on wave 5, and I'm pretty sure wave 5 Bronze doesn't even have Atlases

Yeah you got me.  Long day and something that I can't remember constantly is spawn caps on different difficulties

[cowwy]

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

Requirements:
1.  No Hunter Mode
2.  No Power Damage Gear
3.  Power Amp III
4.  No DoT damage
5.  And it must be clear that the damage you used to destroy the shields doesn't carry over to damage the armor.

No DoT? You mean use Incinerate then? I don't think you understand how Flamer works...

[Ashen One]

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

Requirements:

2.  No Power Damage Gear

I never claimed power damage gear wasn't necessary, but it's nice to see you're grasping at straws.

Ryan_H wrote...

4.  No DoT damage

.... No DoT, when using a power that deals a great portion of it's damage as DoT?

Ryan_H wrote...

5.  And it must be clear that the damage you used to destroy the shields doesn't carry over to damage the armor.

Any damage that carries over to armor from an Acolyte is going to be insignificant, and you know it.

[Ryan_H]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Seriously Ryan? Seriously?

Those are ACOLYTE shots. Not flamer bursts.

Pedro acknowledged yesterday that the numbers DO support it. Look, I tried to help out yesterday so you didn't make a huge fool of yourself... but if the conversation we had then wasn't enough, I'm not going to bother.

You're just going to look like an idiot.

peddroelmz wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Ryan_H wrote...

Again refer to the link you posted.  The DOT doesn't match the flamer dps.

You are right, the damage is supposedly back-loaded into the DOT.  But if I interpret the wall of numbers with vague explanations, the test he did was turn on flamer to light on fire, and watch DOT ticks.

I would like to calculate it out but it doesn't appear to match my in game experience yesterday against Gold Atlases.  Perhaps they were all Proxi Mined debuffed while I wasn't looking...  I will just skip HM since that isn't part of the argument.

Flamer 6 (damage): 0.9, 1.5x extra multiplier for armor
Fortification: 0.3
Networked AI: 0.4
Power Amp IV: 0.5

K=200*(1+.2+.3+.4+.3+.4+.5) = 620

Impact v armor= 3*(K/8)*1.5*1.5 = 523.125

DOT ticks = K/8*1.5*1.5 = 174.375

Total with 1 stack = 2266.875

If I did something like the expected 10 stack calculation, it would look like: 174.375*13*10 = 22668.75

Still missing some damage...

Do Atlases take the correct damage from Flamer?

edit:

Flamer 6 (damage): 0.9, 1.5x extra multiplier for armor
Fortification: 0.3
Hunter Mode: 0.325
Networked AI: 0.4
Power Amp IV: 0.5

K =200*(1+.2+.3+.4+.3+.325+.4+.5)=685
DOT = 192.65626

Expected 10 stack calculation would be 25045.3125

edit2:

Engineering Kit: .15
Total comes to 26142.1875

-your calculations are correct ... 
-gold atlas armor is 23k 
-acolyte ignores shield gate & armor DR (the last acolyte shot in the video did most of its damage to armor)  (while acolyte overall DPS vs armor is low due to its low rof - its per shot damage vs armor is not negligible)
-while flamer stacks are not bugged to rise to astronomical levels as the incendiary ammo stacks - the stacking is not perfect *10 either .. My ten stack test got slightly higher than *10 calculated damage ... 

Acolyte damage versus armor is not negligible.  And quite frankly I have a hard time determing exactly what went on in the animated gif when it comes to damage application.  

Also the number crunching that Pedro was referring to (the 26K number) included Hunter Mode, Power Amp IV and Engineering Kit V.

Furthermore, its not clear from Ashen's gif what power boosters he used.

Modifié par Ryan_H, 10 novembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[Catastrophy]

OP, unless you can get some hard facts, why don't you take your petty dispute elsewhere or just PM the people you're calling out. This is bad style.
Also, what's the point of making a thread about other threads? Can't you just go there and post your opinion? This is silly and totally redundant.

[Ashen One]

You forgot to quote this too.

peddroelmz wrote...

capn223's calculations are correct

Calculated damage is in the neighborhood (flamer stacking mechanics are not exact(at least I cannot calculate its stacked damage precisely)) of the (23k - one acolyte shot) armor a gold atlas has ... So I would call Ashen's claims plausible without the video proof...

[Feneckus]

Modifié par Feneckus, 10 novembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[sclera]

Feneckus wrote...

everybody go home.

[gilgamesh v9]

sclera wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

everybody go home.