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[Cake Tasty]

This thread seems less about discussion and more about being obtuse

[Mahrac]

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Just did it, definitely possible. Uploading now.

Requirements:
1.  No Hunter Mode
2.  No Power Damage Gear
3.  Power Amp III
4.  No DoT damage
5.  And it must be clear that the damage you used to destroy the shields doesn't carry over to damage the armor.

1) Flamer can't not do DoT, and as such, it should be included
2) Shield gate and armor DR means that any damage will be negligable.

What are you on, and where can I get some?

[Asebstos]

Ryan_H wrote...
Acolyte damage versus armor is not negligible.  And quite frankly I have a hard time determing exactly what went on in the animated gif when it comes to damage application.  

Against an Atlas less than 1000 damage is, to me at least, fairly meaningless.

I guess it could be tested using a GPR with Phasic ammo and no AP mods for maximum masochism?

[Ryan_H]

Feneckus wrote...

You used an Engineering Kit V.  That invalidates your video as proof of Ashen's claim that no HM and Power Amp III is sufficient to destroy an unshielded atlas.  If Ashen needed to the extra power damage to accomplish the job he should've included it in his original claim.

[cowwy]

Ryan_H wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Seriously Ryan? Seriously?

Those are ACOLYTE shots. Not flamer bursts.

Pedro acknowledged yesterday that the numbers DO support it. Look, I tried to help out yesterday so you didn't make a huge fool of yourself... but if the conversation we had then wasn't enough, I'm not going to bother.

You're just going to look like an idiot.

peddroelmz wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Ryan_H wrote...

Again refer to the link you posted.  The DOT doesn't match the flamer dps.

You are right, the damage is supposedly back-loaded into the DOT.  But if I interpret the wall of numbers with vague explanations, the test he did was turn on flamer to light on fire, and watch DOT ticks.

I would like to calculate it out but it doesn't appear to match my in game experience yesterday against Gold Atlases.  Perhaps they were all Proxi Mined debuffed while I wasn't looking...  I will just skip HM since that isn't part of the argument.

Flamer 6 (damage): 0.9, 1.5x extra multiplier for armor
Fortification: 0.3
Networked AI: 0.4
Power Amp IV: 0.5

K=200*(1+.2+.3+.4+.3+.4+.5) = 620

Impact v armor= 3*(K/8)*1.5*1.5 = 523.125

DOT ticks = K/8*1.5*1.5 = 174.375

Total with 1 stack = 2266.875

If I did something like the expected 10 stack calculation, it would look like: 174.375*13*10 = 22668.75

Still missing some damage...

Do Atlases take the correct damage from Flamer?

edit:

Flamer 6 (damage): 0.9, 1.5x extra multiplier for armor
Fortification: 0.3
Hunter Mode: 0.325
Networked AI: 0.4
Power Amp IV: 0.5

K =200*(1+.2+.3+.4+.3+.325+.4+.5)=685
DOT = 192.65626

Expected 10 stack calculation would be 25045.3125

edit2:

Engineering Kit: .15
Total comes to 26142.1875

-your calculations are correct ... 
-gold atlas armor is 23k 
-acolyte ignores shield gate & armor DR (the last acolyte shot in the video did most of its damage to armor)  (while acolyte overall DPS vs armor is low due to its low rof - its per shot damage vs armor is not negligible)
-while flamer stacks are not bugged to rise to astronomical levels as the incendiary ammo stacks - the stacking is not perfect *10 either .. My ten stack test got slightly higher than *10 calculated damage ... 

Acolyte damage versus armor is not negligible.  And quite frankly I have a hard time determing exactly what went on in the animated gif when it comes to damage application.  

Also the number crunching that Pedro was referring to (the 26K number) included Hunter Mode, Power Amp IV and Engineering Kit V.

Furthermore, its not clear from Ashen's gif what power boosters he used.

Wow, clearly you're right, how could we have been so blind? He must've been using the fabled power amp V, which gives +100% power damage. Man Ashen Earth, he really got you good.

[stayposi1990]

Lol. I've enjoyed watching this thread progress.

[Descy_]

Cake Tasty wrote...

This thread seems less about discussion and more about being obtuse

[ndw542]

Dude, let it go. The best case scenario for you is that Ashen says, "I miscalculated; you're right." (I'm not saying that he did, or that it should happen) Even if that happens, you're gonna come out of this looking silly and butthurt for making a huge production out of something that literally doesn't matter at all.

It has nothing to do with how either of you are viewed by the community based on your respective reputations; it has everything to do with how you're presenting yourself.

[Red Panda]

Descy_ wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Edit : And they really, really love stupid gifs. And they say you are a child 

*snip* (Oprah "You MAD?" pic)

fixed.

I really wonder why people get up in arms over stuff like this, I really do.

However, I fail to see why this is such a hot topic. Yes, Ashen was wrong, we get it. Good job, OP.

Nevermind, I looked it up.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 10 novembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[HolyAvenger]

The test is clear. Single flamer cast takes down unshielded Atlas. What more could OP want?

[sclera]

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

You used an Engineering Kit V.  That invalidates your video as proof of Ashen's claim that no HM and Power Amp III is sufficient to destroy an unshielded atlas.  If Ashen needed to the extra power damage to accomplish the job he should've included it in his original claim.

haaaaaahahahahhahahaha

i can't get enough of this guy.

yes, feneckus, do it again, but this time REMOVE YOUR GEAR THAT ABSOLUTELY EVERY GOLD PLAYER HAS. 

[Descy_]

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

You used an Engineering Kit V.  That invalidates your video as proof of Ashen's claim that no HM and Power Amp III is sufficient to destroy an unshielded atlas.  If Ashen needed to the extra power damage to accomplish the job he should've included it in his original claim.

The plot thickens!

[Feneckus]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Clearly Feneckus, that one extra plasma SMG shot made all the difference. Without that shot it's impossible.

Go back and try again sry.

Damn it, I was hoping no one would see that 

[Asebstos]

Feneckus wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Clearly Feneckus, that one extra plasma SMG shot made all the difference. Without that shot it's impossible.

Go back and try again sry.

Damn it, I was hoping no one would see that 

And it was with the SMG HVB on? You massive cheat.

[cowwy]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

You used an Engineering Kit V.  That invalidates your video as proof of Ashen's claim that no HM and Power Amp III is sufficient to destroy an unshielded atlas.  If Ashen needed to the extra power damage to accomplish the job he should've included it in his original claim.

 

No number of facepalms is enough to describe how much you are failing right now Ryan.

This is not like you.. I've played with you, you're not like this in-game. Why be a douchebag on the forums?

Here's what I'm thinking. Ashen did something to anger him. He either disproved him, insulted him, or maybe he Batman'd his parents. However it happened, now he has a personal vendetta that will transcend logic.

Also I'm hoping a mod locks this thread soon.

Modifié par cowwy, 10 novembre 2012 - 02:47 .

[bobby_paradise]

Feneckus wrote...

Feneckus is...let's say...a BIT experienced and therefore reliable, i guess. Let's move to the next thread....

[Ashen One]

Ryan_H wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

You used an Engineering Kit V.  That invalidates your video as proof of Ashen's claim that no HM and Power Amp III is sufficient to destroy an unshielded atlas.  If Ashen needed to the extra power damage to accomplish the job he should've included it in his original claim.

I never said that power boosting gear wasn't necessary either, But I probably would have included that in my original post if I had known someone was going to get this massively butthurt over it.

Btw, you might want to edit your thread title, while you're still in the spirit of whining about what you percieve as a false claim. Because you know, irony.

[Seerezaro]

Ryan_H wrote...

Acolyte damage versus armor is not negligible.  And quite frankly I have a hard time determing exactly what went on in the animated gif when it comes to damage application.  

Also the number crunching that Pedro was referring to (the 26K number) included Hunter Mode, Power Amp IV and Engineering Kit V.

Furthermore, its not clear from Ashen's gif what power boosters he used.

Umm, I really didn't want to post.  To be honest I read the rest of the posts for the gifs .

However, It seems that you don't know that acolyte shots have an innate damage penalty against armor.  IIRC they do half damage on armor.  Whatever was left over after the shields would have hit shield gate for 75% reduction, the remaining bit would then be reduced by an additional 50%.  Even on bronze, this is neglible damage with its reduced shieldgate.  While the half damage penalty isn't enough to make it completely neglible going through shield gate added by this would have made it insignificant damage.

[Moby]

cowwy wrote...

Also I'm hoping a mod locks this thread soon.

I sure hope not.  This thread is clearly very important and has a dramatic life-changing impact in not only Mass Effect 3 multiplayer, but many of our day-to-day lives.  I would like to see it continue.

[Ryan_H]

Ashen Earth wrote...

I never said that power boosting gear wasn't necessary either, But I probably would have included that in my original post if I had known someone was going to get this massively butthurt over it.

Btw, you might want to edit your thread title, while you're still in the spirit of whining about what you percieve as a false claim. Because you know, irony.

LOL...yes the title is misleading.  BTW this is getting fun!