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[stayposi1990]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

stayposi1990 wrote...

I request that this thread proceeds for my entertainment. Also, science.

Needs more fun rebuttals by OP. 

[Learn To Love Yourself]

This must be how the people felt who didn't abandon the Titanic.
It could be worse. Celine Dion could have done the background music for this thread.

[cowwy]

Annomander wrote...

Ryan_H wrote...

Yes, this a return to yesterday's argument with Ashen and his Fan Boy club.

Claim by Ashen Earth:

Ashen Earth wrote...Even without Hunter Mode, it's possible to destroy an Atlas on Gold from full armor with Flamer in one cast using a power amplifier III.
So I'm inclined to say no.

Link to quote: http://social.biowar...ndex/14858593/1

Why Ashen's claim and submitted proof are not valid:

1.  The numbers don't support it.

2.  In game, it is nigh impossible to determine the precise point that an atlas loses it's shields.    
a) It's impossible for Ashen to know the precise moment the shields were removed from the atlas he took down with his flamer.
Thus its near impossible to test Ashen's claim as you would  have to know the precise point to stop applying the non DOT damage used to take down the shields.  Maybe someone on the PC side with specialized testing software could do this.  

3.  It's clear in the animated animated gif (included at bottom of this post) that Ashen used bursts from his flamer to take down the atlas' shields prior to getting the single cast flamer kill.  It also appears that Ashen applied the flamer burst too long and damaged armor with the last burst duration prior to the single cast kill.  Either way each individual stack from those shielded bursts persist for 5 seconds.  

Thus the damage from the stacks applied by Ashen less than 5 seconds prior to the atlas losing its shields (an exact point Ashen could not know and a point he appears to have exceeded) persists to aid in the destruction of the atlas' armor thus invalidating Ashen's claim.  NOTE:  The stack damage carried over is not minor or negligible.   

Thoughts/Notes:

1.  First off let it be clear I'm not calling Ashen a liar.  Its a matter of seen and unseen damage and a seperation point that can't be discerned without specialized software on the client side.

2.  Several people have noted that Ashen is a good/great player.  I am not arguing that (nor am I confirming that).  And any DB fan boy statement pointing out Ashen's scoring ability as evidence as to why he is right I will ignore as its not relevant to this debate (my end) / argument (Ashen and his DB fan club's end).
  



Links:

My arguments and Ashen and his fan boys' insults:
http://social.biowar...ndex/14858593/1 and http://social.biowar...5951/2#14875702

Background data on Flamer Mechanics:
http://social.biowar...ndex/14865951/1

EDIT: Formatting
EDIT: Corrected spelling errors  Fan Body to Fan Boy lol

Ryan

Do you like garfield?

And secondly, I'm ****ing steaming, so lets do this flamer versus non flamer test now.

I don't know about the OP, but I think Garfield was a great president... Wrong Garfield? Oops.

[cowwy]

Jack Crapper wrote...

This must be how the people felt who didn't abandon the Titanic.
It could be worse. Celine Dion could have done the background music for this thread.

Why do you have to hate on her? She's a lovely lady who's music is the best music of our time, ( excluding maybe One Direction, but come on, that's just not fair).

On a completely unrelated note I have these Celine Dion concert tickets that I'd be willing to trade. If anyone has a holo Venesaur that'd be awesome. If not I'll settle for half a sandwich.

Edit: Oops, double post. Not changing anything though cuz I'm lazy.

Modifié par cowwy, 10 novembre 2012 - 03:57 .

[Descy_]

cowwy wrote...


On a completely unrelated note I have these Celine Dion concert tickets that I'd be willing to trade. If anyone has a holo Venesaur that'd be awesome. If not I'll settle for half a sandwich.

i can give you a half empty jar of cheese whiz

[cowwy]

Descy_ wrote...

cowwy wrote...


On a completely unrelated note I have these Celine Dion concert tickets that I'd be willing to trade. If anyone has a holo Venesaur that'd be awesome. If not I'll settle for half a sandwich.

i can give you a half empty jar of cheese whiz

You drive a hard bargain... Make it a quarter full and we have a deal.

[Manuel La Bor]

Ahh yes, flamers one casting an atlas.

We have dismissed these claims.

[Farosyrn]

There you go. Add another one to the collection.

[Apl_Juice]

For the love of Marauder Shields, sticky this thread.

Please mods, I'm begging.

[Ryan_H]

So, for all of you who think I'm trolling:

1.  I'm the only one that has put concrete arguments on the table.  One video was produced however it used a gear that was not part of Ashen's claim.  No subsequent video has been produced.

2.  Yes, a lot of people have raged and mocked me but no one has come forth with evidence that either Ashen is correct or that I am wrong.

 3.  Here is what I've been holding back:
Using Pedro's calculations:
http://social.biowar...ndex/14144271/1

K =200*(1+.2+.3+.4+.3+.4+.3)=580

Impact Versus Armor 3*(580/8)*1.5*1.5 =489.375

DOT Ticks 489.375/8*1.5*1.5 = 137.636

Expected 10 stack damage calculation137.636*13*10 =17,892.773

According to Cynon's enemy sheet a Gold Atlas has 23,000 points of armor. 

https://docs.google....tput=html&gid=2

With Hunter Mode, Power Amp IV and Engineering Kit a Geth Trooper flamer can take down an unshielded Atlas.  However, even if Ashen uses a Power Amp IV the maximum damage he can inflict is 19,126.76.

EDIT: got rid of some format errors

Modifié par Ryan_H, 10 novembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[cowwy]

Ryan_H wrote...

So, for all of you who think I'm trolling:

1.  I'm the only one that has put concrete arguments on the table.  One video was produced however it used a gear that was not part of Ashen's claim.  No subsequent video has been produced.

2.  Yes, a lot of people have raged and mocked me but no one has come forth with evidence that either Ashen is correct or that I am wrong.

3.  Here is what I've been holding back:
Using Pedro's calculations:

K =200*(1+.2+.3+.4+.3+.4+.3)=580

Impact Versus Armor 3*(580/8)*1.5*1.5 =489.375

DOT Ticks 489.375/8*1.5*1.5 = 137.636

Expected 10 stack damage calculation137.636*13*10 =17,892.773

According to Cynon's enemy sheet a Gold Atlas has 23,000 points of armor. 

https://docs.google....tput=html&gid=2

With Hunter Mode, Power Amp IV and Engineering Kit a Geth Trooper flamer can take down an unshielded Atlas.  However, even if Ashen uses a Power Amp IV the maximum damage he can inflict[/b][b] is 19,126.76.

You're still on about that? We've moved on, you see after you were disproven, we moved on to posting funny gifs and jpgs.

[Ryan_H]

Yes, its amazing you thought you disproved me with your funny pics and lousy insults but my latest post is evidence to the contrary.

Modifié par Ryan_H, 10 novembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[Descy_]

Ryan_H wrote...


Yes, its amazing you thought you disproved me with your funny pics and lousy insults but my latest post is evidence to the contrary.

[gilgamesh v9]

And to think I keep tabbing out of Breaking Bad to read this...

[Mahrac]

Descy_ wrote...

Ryan_H wrote...


Yes, its amazing you thought you disproved me with your funny pics and lousy insults but my latest post is evidence to the contrary.

Cans I have some? This thread keeps drawing me back in.

[cowwy]

Ryan_H wrote...


Yes, its amazing you thought you disproved me with your funny pics and lousy insults but my latest post is evidence to the contrary.

If it truly was, then why'd you wait until the seventh page to post it? Why not put it in the OP or one of the first few pages. I realize you're grasping at straws here so why don't you save whatever shred of dignity you have and just admit defeat?

Edit: Or don't, either way is entertaining.

Modifié par cowwy, 10 novembre 2012 - 04:16 .

[Descy_]

Mahrac wrote...

Descy_ wrote...

Ryan_H wrote...


Yes, its amazing you thought you disproved me with your funny pics and lousy insults but my latest post is evidence to the contrary.

Cans I have some? This thread keeps drawing me back in.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Ryan_H wrote...


Yes, its amazing you thought you disproved me with your funny pics and lousy insults but my latest post is evidence to the contrary.

Have you, by chance, tried this ingame yet?  Hmmm?  HMMM???  hmm?
hmm...

[BridgeBurner]

In other news, I'm still druink Ryan, why don't we prove that I'm better once and for all?

Modifié par Annomander, 10 novembre 2012 - 04:18 .

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Wait, didn't Peddro himself take the time to reply in your thread to claim that it was actually possible?

[Ryan_H]

cowwy wrote...

Ryan_H wrote...


Yes, its amazing you thought you disproved me with your funny pics and lousy insults but my latest post is evidence to the contrary.

If it truly was, then why'd you wait until the seventh page to post it? Why not put it in the OP or one of the first few pages. I realize you're grasping at straws here so why don't you save whatever shred of dignity you have and just admit defeat?

Edit: Or don't, either way is entertaining.

Admit defeat?  The numbers prove me correct and there is no evidence to the contrary.

[Tybo]

Ryan_H. you're doing it wrong.

K=200*(1+.2+.3+.4+.3+.4+.3)=580

Impact vs armor 3*(580/8)*1.5*1.5=489.375

DoT ticks 580/8*1.5*1.5=163.124

Each "stack" will do 489.375+163.124*10=2120.625.

There are 10 stacks, so total damage is 21206.25 damage.

Luckily for you, this is still less than Atlas armor. However, as peddroelmz said, the damage from flamer with full stacks is imprecise. It could actually end up doing more. Also, a power amp IV or engineering kit V will push it over the edge and be able to take out an Atlases armor

[bob2.0]

Annomander wrote...

In other news, I'm still druink Ryan, why don't we prove that I'm better once and for all? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

[silencekills]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Wait, didn't Peddro himself take the time to reply in your thread to claim that it was actually possible?

SHADDUP!

I mean, no, no that never happened.

[Ryan_H]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Wait, didn't Peddro himself take the time to reply in your thread to claim that it was actually possible?

No.  Several pages ago I quoted Pedro's post.  Basically, he said that the acolyte damage was NOT NEGLIGIBLE as others have argued and that the calculations that another poster had posted were correct.  The posted calculations included Hunter Mode, Power Amp IV and Engineering Kit V.

Modifié par Ryan_H, 10 novembre 2012 - 04:22 .