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[Lolomlas]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Lolomlas wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...
Halo's lore is less deep.

A common misconception from someone who has never gone into Halo. I advice you to go through the Halo wiki and compare it to Mass Effect. It has pages and pages of backgrounds, stories, and details that Mass Effect can only dream of. Not to mention that there is a lot more logic into it than what ME3 presented us.
I love both, but that Halo has a deeper lore is fact.

And I agree with the OP. The ending (and overall writing) was outstanding in Halo 4 and BioWare could really take note.

You do know that Halo is a much older franchise, right? It has 7 games compared to ME's 3, not to mention the countless books, comics, and other stuff, of course there are less stories for ME.

This reason does not invalidate the fact that Halo has the deeper lore. 

No but saying that ME can't even dream of something like this is really far fetched.
And about the ending I think it's unfair to compare a new trilogy's start to a trilogy's ending episode. If you want to compare ME with Halo, compare ME1 to Halo 4.

Modifié par Lolomlas, 10 novembre 2012 - 03:13 .

[N7 Assass1n]

ME really can't compare on a lore scale, just because of the sheer amount of lore established in Halo.

[d-boy15]

I used to think Mass Effect is Halo killer... especially when I finished ME2.
it got so much potential to be something greater than Halo or even SW.

but after ME3, I know that I was wrong.

[Someone With Mass]

Doesn't help that Mass Effect spent the majority of the time in the books and comics beating its meat furiously over Cerberus.

[Lolomlas]

N7 Assass1n wrote...

ME really can't compare on a lore scale, just because of the sheer amount of lore established in Halo.

I agree, but saying that ME can't reach that amount of lore is just stupid. It is a younger franchise, which is not the main flagship of Microsoft gaming, of course it's a bit smaller.

[Stalker]

Lolomlas wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

Lolomlas wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...
Halo's lore is less deep.

A common misconception from someone who has never gone into Halo. I advice you to go through the Halo wiki and compare it to Mass Effect. It has pages and pages of backgrounds, stories, and details that Mass Effect can only dream of. Not to mention that there is a lot more logic into it than what ME3 presented us.
I love both, but that Halo has a deeper lore is fact.

And I agree with the OP. The ending (and overall writing) was outstanding in Halo 4 and BioWare could really take note.

You do know that Halo is a much older franchise, right? It has 7 games compared to ME's 3, not to mention the countless books, comics, and other stuff, of course there are less stories for ME.

This reason does not invalidate the fact that Halo has the deeper lore. 

No but saying that ME can't even dream of something like this is really far fetched.
And about the ending I think it's unfair to compare a new trilogy's start to a trilogy's ending episode. If you want to compare ME with Halo, compare ME1 to Halo 4.

No matter the reason: that's the current state. ME can only dream of a lore as deep as Halo right now.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 10 novembre 2012 - 03:27 .

[FOX216BC]

d-boy15 wrote...

I used to think Mass Effect is Halo killer... especially when I finished ME2.
it got so much potential to be something greater than Halo or even SW.

but after ME3, I know that I was wrong.

The term Halo killer, first used by Sony when killzone was annocend... now used by gamers... sad, very sad...
I want Tomb Raider to be a great game, i don't hope it's a Uncharted  killer.
If i does better good, but hoping to kill another series... 

Modifié par FOX216BC, 10 novembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Two words: Armando Troisi.

[Lolomlas]

Mr Massakka wrote...
No matter the reason: that's the current state. ME can only dream of a lore as deep as Halo right now.

Fine, think what you want, I've said my opinion about it. Further argument about it is a waste of time.

[crimzontearz]

As I said before halo 4's ending manages to be bittersweet and emotional without having to be artsy or throw F Us to the player (also cortana's death is not certain but it was built up properly and her sacrifice was heartwarming and not a BS "pick your suicide" deal.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Two words: Armando Troisi.

I think you're on to something...

[JBPBRC]

d-boy15 wrote...

I used to think Mass Effect is Halo killer... especially when I finished ME2.
it got so much potential to be something greater than Halo or even SW.

but after ME3, I know that I was wrong.

Being greater than Star Wars depends on which trilogy you want to be greater than. The new one sets a pretty low bar, so I'm confident that the future SW trilogy can't be any worse.

Or can it?

Modifié par JBPBRC, 10 novembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[ManOfSteel]

Halo 4's ending was superb.

[xAmilli0n]

Thought I'd just chime in.  Halo 4 blew me away.  I've never followed Halo as closely as ME (read a few books back in the day but that was it) but the way they tied into books, Forward Unto Dawn, etc., I was thoroughly impressed.

The one thing that always gets me in ME (especially ME2 and 3) is how they broke lore with such ease.  For me, this is a huge deal in keeping immersion in the universe, and Halo 4 kept to lore spectacularly.  The story, and relationships between characters was very good and believable (I do realize that the linearity does make it difficult to compare to ME) and the ending was masterfully handled.  I couldn't have asked for more.  Just as a note, I am not a big shooter fan (just above average in MP at best).

So well done 343i.  Where Bioware turned a loyal customer into a skeptical one, 343i gained a loyal one.

So Bioware...get on it.

[JamieCOTC]

Sparbiter wrote...

3. Nearly all loose ends were wrapped up. This one I'll give a pass, though. It's extremely difficult to compare the interactive story of an RPG to a streamlined story of a generic shooter. Still, in terms of writing an ending there were few if any loose threads to pull at.

While I still dislike the ME3 endings, it's practically apples and oranges comparing the ending of these two games for the very reason stated above.  Of course Halo is going to have a straight foward ending because it is a straight forward game. That's not to knock Halo4 as it's a great shooter and clearly 343i were very aware of their strengths and weaknesses.  By contrast BW stumbled in that department as their strengths lie in character and intricate storytelling, not sublime art house audience interaction. 

[crimzontearz]

Also...Jen Taylor's delivery was FLAWLESS the entire time...the goodbye scene and the "it will not be me" scene made me tear up...

Furthermore the ending was MEANINGFUL while not being artsy or grimdark

Yep......thank you Bioware for failing to achieve what 343i did...now I know who to give my $$$ to

Modifié par crimzontearz, 10 novembre 2012 - 04:53 .

[Epic777]

David7204 wrote...

Hey, guess what game had an article on the front page of Game Informer a few days ago calling the story 'ridiculous' right in the headline?

It ain't Mass Effect.

Game Informer has lost credibility after this article:www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/10/19/remembering-commander-shepard.aspx


"I couldn’t believe that my choices made such an impact on the entire trilogy plot, and I felt more attached to Shepard than ever."

[Someone With Mass]

Epic777 wrote...

Game Informer has lost credibility after this article:www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/10/19/remembering-commander-shepard.aspx


"I couldn’t believe that my choices made such an impact on the entire trilogy plot, and I felt more attached to Shepard than ever."

Wow.

No kidding. Modesty is not their strong suit, I take it.

[timj2011]

Has anybody in this thread played Assassin's Creed III? Now, THATS an ending ME3 can stand over with pride, I mean, my god what a catastrophe

[GreyLycanTrope]

timj2011 wrote...

Has anybody in this thread played Assassin's Creed III? Now, THATS an ending ME3 can stand over with pride, I mean, my god what a catastrophe

Indeed, though Assassin't Creed never tried to give us an illusion of choice.

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You kill a Sith Lord and save Earth.

Really you basically have to switch your brain off when playing Halo.

That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard anyone say on these forums. Halo is one of the greatest video game series of all time, and if you don't think so, so for you spoil sport but a lot more agree with me. Just because Halo doesn't have the depth of Mass Effect doesn't make it inferior. In fact, it makes it better because Halo isn't trying to be something it isn't, unlike Mass Effect 3. 

Edit: Oh ya OT, yeah Halo 4's ending was really great although sad. It's a step in the right direction for the series and Master Chief.

Modifié par XxBrokenBonezxX, 10 novembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[Epic777]

Greylycantrope wrote...

timj2011 wrote...

Has anybody in this thread played Assassin's Creed III? Now, THATS an ending ME3 can stand over with pride, I mean, my god what a catastrophe

Indeed, though Assassin't Creed never tried to give us an illusion of choice.

A key difference: AC never hyped up choices and consequences in their games. Bioware did for five years. Even with the EC individual choices do not drive the endings. 

[crimzontearz]

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You kill a Sith Lord and save Earth.

Really you basically have to switch your brain off when playing Halo.

That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard anyone say on these forums. Halo is one of the greatest video game series of all time, and if you don't think so, so for you spoil sport but a lot more agree with me. Just because Halo doesn't have the depth of Mass Effect doesn't make it inferior. In fact, it makes it better because Halo isn't trying to be something it isn't, unlike Mass Effect 3. 

Edit: Oh ya OT, yeah Halo 4's ending was really great although sad. It's a step in the right direction for the series and Master Chief.

bittersweet, not sad

[Fireblader70]

Can I just say that 'Halo 4' invoked more genuine emotion from me than 'Mass Effect 3' ever did, because it didn't feel as forced. Except for Mordin and Thane dying... that was some good stuff.

I mean, I'd even go as far as to say that the acting in Halo was superior to ME3. Which is... surprising.

But yeah. Ending was superior to ME3. In fact, I'm just going to go ahead and say that the whole game is better. Yep. Seemed to be made with so much passion and care, whereas ME3 was rushed.

[Dark Delta 06]

xAmilli0n wrote...

The one thing that always gets me in ME (especially ME2 and 3) is how they broke lore with such ease.  For me, this is a huge deal in keeping immersion in the universe, and Halo 4 kept to lore spectacularly.  The story, and relationships between characters was very good and believable (I do realize that the linearity does make it difficult to compare to ME) and the ending was masterfully handled.  I couldn't have asked for more.  Just as a note, I am not a big shooter fan (just above average in MP at best).

So well done 343i.  Where Bioware turned a loyal customer into a skeptical one, 343i gained a loyal one.

So Bioware...get on it.

Very well said 

Although if you think about it Mass Effect 3´s Ending it isn´t that much less linear than Halo, sure you make choices, but until the EC it was just diferent colored explosion...

and after EC it´s diferent colored explosions, a scene where they either put or don´t put shepards name on the memorial, and a slideshow with generic pictures showing choices you made..

And if you choose Destroy with good EMS you even get a breath scene and nobody putting your name on the memorial... not givin much closure about the fate of the commander...


IMO Halo did a much better job at explaining it´s ending with clear cutscenes.... just imagine if Master Chief ...after the last battle...big explosion..you saw UNSC folks reluctant to place his name on a memorial.... and the last second cutscene... there was a deep breath..

Modifié par Dark Delta 06, 10 novembre 2012 - 07:15 .