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[Ar7emis]

Halo has never been particularly big on sophisticated literary devices, the 'hero's journey' and 'full circle' would be kicked around a bit in some of the previous games but it never seemed to have much substance to it.

And, bloody hell, that sure changed in Halo 4!

When they said they were going to explore John as a person, they really weren't joking. The Prologue starts us off with the questioning of whether John was successful because he was, at his core, broken. It's continued throughout the game, Cortana asking John to find out which one of them is really the machine, and culminates in Lasky's dialogue at the end where he states that soldiers and humanity (machine and man) are no different.

On the subject of Lasky, his insistance that he's "not about to let that man down" at the end of the game really brought to mind Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn. There was an emotional motivation for Lasky in this scene, and there was an emotional motivation for myself as the Chief to not let him down.

John removing his armour in the Epilogue symbolises the exposure of his humanity for what's really the first time in the series - and it took a machine who really was more human than him to make him realise who he is. The conclusion has finally been drawn that he wasn't successful because he was broken at his core, but the "tools" which Halsey supplied (calling Cortana a tool itself being ironic) helped bring out the humanity in John and turned it into his greatest strength.

It's beautifully poetic, and is infinitely more sophisticated development for a character who was treated as a sterile brick for so long.

Halo 4's ending is how an ending to a particular character arc is done right and done well. Cortana's final words, "welcome home, John," really did emotionally resonate within me and is the second game to make me bawl like a child. Cortana is a character we've been with for 11 years now, she got the exit she deserved and it had the impact it should.

Modifié par Ar7emis, 11 novembre 2012 - 01:27 .

[Arbiter156]

@crimzontears (starting a new Convo here before this thread is overrun)

I don't underestimate their physical prowess, a spartan III is not far off a spartan III the difference is that they are adults who have undergone the augmentation and so the results aren't as high as the spartan II's who were children. Spartan III armor is slightly lighter, but packs slightlyless shields and mechanical enchancement.

The MC somersault kicking the brute I can see happening because he was always described as being particularly strong and he's not doing a huge backflip whilst wielding SMG's with perfect accuracy.

Noble six kicked the elite square in the chest with likely as much force as he/she could accomplish and the elite stumbled backwards before tripping over (it wasn't thrown into the air with a broken kneck)

Sam a spartan II fought a hunter hand to hand in a desperate situation, people are capable of ridiculous feats of strength under stress, that is true for anyone, be it a spartan, elite or a lone grunt. I read a report about a 50kg woman lifting a taxi clean off her son who had been knocked over and she certainly didn't need any augmentation. I'll be willing to be an enrage elite could kill a spartan with a single kick to the chest or head.

Again I'm not underestimating them, just don't believe in them being ultraman gymnast 4500's. I drew the line at HW.

[xAmilli0n]

Ar7emis wrote...

Halo has never been particularly big on sophisticated literary devices, the 'hero's journey' and 'full circle' would be kicked around a bit in some of the previous games but it never seemed to have much substance to it.

And, bloody hell, that sure changed in Halo 4!

When they said they were going to explore John as a person, they really weren't joking. The Prologue starts us off with the questioning of whether John was successful because he was, at his core, broken. It's continued throughout the game, Cortana asking John to find out which one of them is really the machine, and culminates in Lasky's dialogue at the end where he states that soldiers and humanity (machine and man) are no different.

On the subject of Lasky, his insistance that he's "not about to let that man down" at the end of the game really brought to mind Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn. There was an emotional motivation for Lasky in this scene, and there was an emotional motivation for myself as the Chief to not let him down.

John removing his armour in the Epilogue symbolises the exposure of his humanity for what's really the first time in the series - and it took a machine who really was more human than him to make him realise who he is. The conclusion has finally been drawn that he wasn't successful because he was broken at his core, but the "tools" which Halsey supplied (calling Cortana a tool itself being ironic) helped bring out the humanity in John and turned it into his greatest strength.

It's beautifully poetic, and is infinitely more sophisticated development for a character who was treated as a sterile brick for so long.

Halo 4's ending is how an ending to a particular character arc is done right and done well. Cortana's final words, "welcome home, John," really did emotionally resonate within me and is the second game to make me bawl like a child. Cortana is a character we've been with for 11 years now, she got the exit she deserved and it had the impact it should.

Incredibly well put.

[CptBomBom00]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Ar7emis wrote...

Halo has never been particularly big on sophisticated literary devices, the 'hero's journey' and 'full circle' would be kicked around a bit in some of the previous games but it never seemed to have much substance to it.

And, bloody hell, that sure changed in Halo 4!

When they said they were going to explore John as a person, they really weren't joking. The Prologue starts us off with the questioning of whether John was successful because he was, at his core, broken. It's continued throughout the game, Cortana asking John to find out which one of them is really the machine, and culminates in Lasky's dialogue at the end where he states that soldiers and humanity (machine and man) are no different.

On the subject of Lasky, his insistance that he's "not about to let that man down" at the end of the game really brought to mind Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn. There was an emotional motivation for Lasky in this scene, and there was an emotional motivation for myself as the Chief to not let him down.

John removing his armour in the Epilogue symbolises the exposure of his humanity for what's really the first time in the series - and it took a machine who really was more human than him to make him realise who he is. The conclusion has finally been drawn that he wasn't successful because he was broken at his core, but the "tools" which Halsey supplied (calling Cortana a tool itself being ironic) helped bring out the humanity in John and turned it into his greatest strength.

It's beautifully poetic, and is infinitely more sophisticated development for a character who was treated as a sterile brick for so long.

Halo 4's ending is how an ending to a particular character arc is done right and done well. Cortana's final words, "welcome home, John," really did emotionally resonate within me and is the second game to make me bawl like a child. Cortana is a character we've been with for 11 years now, she got the exit she deserved and it had the impact it should.

Incredibly well put.

Mind=Blown:D

[Arbiter156]

^^+1000 ^^

[megamacka]

Ar7emis wrote...

Halo has never been particularly big on sophisticated literary devices, the 'hero's journey' and 'full circle' would be kicked around a bit in some of the previous games but it never seemed to have much substance to it.

And, bloody hell, that sure changed in Halo 4!

When they said they were going to explore John as a person, they really weren't joking. The Prologue starts us off with the questioning of whether John was successful because he was, at his core, broken. It's continued throughout the game, Cortana asking John to find out which one of them is really the machine, and culminates in Lasky's dialogue at the end where he states that soldiers and humanity (machine and man) are no different.

On the subject of Lasky, his insistance that he's "not about to let that man down" at the end of the game really brought to mind Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn. There was an emotional motivation for Lasky in this scene, and there was an emotional motivation for myself as the Chief to not let him down.

John removing his armour in the Epilogue symbolises the exposure of his humanity for what's really the first time in the series - and it took a machine who really was more human than him to make him realise who he is. The conclusion has finally been drawn that he wasn't successful because he was broken at his core, but the "tools" which Halsey supplied (calling Cortana a tool itself being ironic) helped bring out the humanity in John and turned it into his greatest strength.

It's beautifully poetic, and is infinitely more sophisticated development for a character who was treated as a sterile brick for so long.

Halo 4's ending is how an ending to a particular character arc is done right and done well. Cortana's final words, "welcome home, John," really did emotionally resonate within me and is the second game to make me bawl like a child. Cortana is a character we've been with for 11 years now, she got the exit she deserved and it had the impact it should.

Thank you, I am all teary eyed atm from reading this .
I also felt this in the epilogue, when they took off his armour. That he was '' taking of his mask of this machine '' that his been hiding behind. You remember the last scene in Forward unto dawn with the chief? When Kelly ( and the other dude ) takes off their helmets but not chief? Made me shiver hehe, John is such a fantastic yet simple character. His a man of few words, but still brings forth a lot of emotion. You don't always needs words to add emotional impact, look at vader in the ending of return of a jedi for example ( before george ruined it with NNiiiiOOOO ).

 I can't freaking wait untill halo 5 and 6 comes out.. I really want to see what happens next in johns story. It's really the most interesting part imo of the franchise.

[Seival]

Never played any game from Halo series, and never will I guess. I don't know why, but each time I'm thinking about trying to play it, I change my mind really fast.

[Eterna]

Why are we talking about Halo on the Mass Effect forum?

[Ticonderoga117]

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are we talking about Halo on the Mass Effect forum?

Because it does story better than ME3.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are we talking about Halo on the Mass Effect forum?

Get with the times bro

[Sebby]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are we talking about Halo on the Mass Effect forum?

Because it does story better than ME3.

So does Tic-Tac-Toe.

[Ticonderoga117]

Seboist wrote...
So does Tic-Tac-Toe.

Hmmm, good point.

[Yumi50]

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are we talking about Halo on the Mass Effect forum?

Because both are scifi set in space rich in lore and setting in which humanity is at stake.
Both are great in their own ways.
But for me, maybe just me, I disappointed with how Bioware treated ME, thier very own AAA title, the way they did, but I admired what 343 does to Halo 4 even though it's their first game as a studio in the series.

I just thought Shepard deserves what Master Chief gets.

[Ninja Stan]

Not ME3 story or campaign related.

End of line.