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[Zakuspec089]

I love it, it be nice she a fully member and Romancable. That be nice.

[Nelatherion]

I still don't see any "breasts" on there....

[Nerevar-as]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Villiamus wrote...

Calm down dude... seriously the world won't end nyreen has boobs

It´s just another sign that the world as created in ME1 is gone for good.

About time. The lack of female Turians in Mass Effect 1 was kind of tragic. 

I doubt back in ME1 they would have put boobs on a species they described as avian. And if we are going to nickpit (sp?) things, they also forgot about the protective function of the crest, it´s not there just for show.

Ok.

How does Garrus **** Commander Shepard then?

I mean, technically only Ducks and Flamingos have a penis, while the rest have basically a prostate that elongates out of their cloaca. 

So if we are going to question the logic of turians with boobs, we also need to question the logic of Garrus' reach.

Asari aside, in ME1 I didn´t get the idea that interspecies relationships were common in ME, then in ME2 everybody is sleeping with everybody and it looks like all bipedal species have compatible equipment. Hell, thanks to the Banshees we know asari look externaly exactly like humans, that´s a hell of convergent evolution.

I´d really like to know whose idea was to make ME more like SW or ST when it had managed a good identity on its own.

[Spartanburger]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

You mean on xenobiology lessons? Because there surely can't exist combination of reptile and mammals characteristic on alien planets, like, lets say, combination of avian and mammals characteristic on Earth... wait, did someone said platypus?

Turians are classified as avian-reptilian. I guess Bioware just felt like slapping on a rack.

They are Avian-Reptilian in design. That does not mean that they completely abide by the so-called 'laws' of biology known on this planet.


Also, convergent evolution is a thing. Considering how the clear majority of animals on Earth that are human size or more that have breasts/mammilary glands, it is not that hard to imagine aliens having something similar.

[Nerevar-as]

Spartanburger wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

You mean on xenobiology lessons? Because there surely can't exist combination of reptile and mammals characteristic on alien planets, like, lets say, combination of avian and mammals characteristic on Earth... wait, did someone said platypus?

Turians are classified as avian-reptilian. I guess Bioware just felt like slapping on a rack.

They are Avian-Reptilian in design. That does not mean that they completely abide by the so-called 'laws' of biology known on this planet.


Also, convergent evolution is a thing. Considering how the clear majority of animals on Earth that are human size or more that have breasts/mammilary glands, it is not that hard to imagine aliens having something similar.

AFAIK, only human females have breasts when they are not nursing. And mammal is a clasification on its own, there are not avian mammals or reptilian mammals. Is there some biologist around that can explain it clearer?

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:15 .

[Tibbur]

You should talk to Liaras dad about boobs. And dude above me look up the the platypus it's one of the most messed up animals on the planet.

Modifié par Tibbur, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:18 .

[dreamgazer]

Sion1138 wrote...

They would put a rack on a female Hanar.

[Yesmar]

Chicken breast anyone?

[Nerevar-as]

Tibbur wrote...

You should talk to Liaras dad about boobs. And dude above me look up the the platypus it's one of the most messed up animals on the planet.

First one presented to a museum has a cut in the beak from when they tried to cut apart the parts of different animals they thought it was made of.

It´s still clasified as a mammal.

[LinksOcarina]

Nerevar-as wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Villiamus wrote...

Calm down dude... seriously the world won't end nyreen has boobs

It´s just another sign that the world as created in ME1 is gone for good.

About time. The lack of female Turians in Mass Effect 1 was kind of tragic. 

I doubt back in ME1 they would have put boobs on a species they described as avian. And if we are going to nickpit (sp?) things, they also forgot about the protective function of the crest, it´s not there just for show.

Ok.

How does Garrus **** Commander Shepard then?

I mean, technically only Ducks and Flamingos have a penis, while the rest have basically a prostate that elongates out of their cloaca. 

So if we are going to question the logic of turians with boobs, we also need to question the logic of Garrus' reach.

Asari aside, in ME1 I didn´t get the idea that interspecies relationships were common in ME, then in ME2 everybody is sleeping with everybody and it looks like all bipedal species have compatible equipment. Hell, thanks to the Banshees we know asari look externaly exactly like humans, that´s a hell of convergent evolution.

I´d really like to know whose idea was to make ME more like SW or ST when it had managed a good identity on its own.

Um...Mass Effect was always inspired by Star Wars, Star Trek and other Space Operas out there. It has been a Space Opera since game one, so I fail to see how it lost it's identity since it has it's own identity in a space-fantasy mold. Hell, the ****ing plot is basically a good vs evil story from Tolkien and Lewis, and Shepard is essentially space Jesus through Christian symbolism based on visuals and actions. 

And I don't see them as common relationships in Mass Effect either. It doesn't mean it won't happen, even Garrus said lets try it, and never thought he would be in a relationship like that.  So that really has nothing to do with this either, other than he wants one. It still wouldn't explain how the sex would work. 

And since you didn't answer my question, I get the feeling you either feel its a problem with the Turian species, you think Garrus as a Turian is ok to have a penis,  or you are just using hard science to justify blind hatred for her design. I personally hope its the first one, because at least your argument has consistancy then. 

So the only other question I have is why are you putting hard science in a game that uses hard science to justify space magic, speed of light travel, alien technology, nano-computers, and nanobots that raised a man from the dead? That is like me complaining that they used radioactive ammunition because it was barred by the United Nations as being inhumane, or that real bounty hunters work as law enforcement officers and not romantic renegades. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:28 .

[BetrayerOfNihil]

So I should just let artists and developers do anything, regardless of how questionable or downright asinine their decisions may be? Okay, with that in mind, all people who are in disagreement with the ME3 endings should shut the Hell up, and should never have complained at all, because the writers apparently have the sovereign right to do whatever the **** they want with the series, without question, according to these people! Let the devs make Nyreen and other 'female' Turians hermaphrodites with Cow-like udders and lactating tentacles for nipples, in addition to other crazy-ass things, because it's their Universe and we have absolutely no say in what goes on in it, and because really, "WHO THE HELL CARES?"

[SimonTheFrog]

BetrayerOfNihil wrote...

So I should just let artists and developers do anything, regardless of how questionable or downright asinine their decisions may be? Okay, with that in mind, all people who are in disagreement with the ME3 endings should shut the Hell up, and should never have complained at all, because the writers apparently have the sovereign right to do whatever the **** they want with the series, without question, according to these people! Let the devs make Nyreen and other 'female' Turians hermaphrodites with Cow-like udders and lactating tentacles for nipples, in addition to other crazy-ass things, because it's their Universe and we have absolutely no say in what goes on in it, and because really, "WHO THE HELL CARES?"

Well, they are free to totally do all of that. It's their business case after all. But we are allowed to say "eeewwww.... kill it with fire!".

And with breasts on space bird-reptiles everybody should go ewwwww because it's just cheap and awful. Like some stupid manga or i don't know. 

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:51 .

[LinksOcarina]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

BetrayerOfNihil wrote...

So I should just let artists and developers do anything, regardless of how questionable or downright asinine their decisions may be? Okay, with that in mind, all people who are in disagreement with the ME3 endings should shut the Hell up, and should never have complained at all, because the writers apparently have the sovereign right to do whatever the **** they want with the series, without question, according to these people! Let the devs make Nyreen and other 'female' Turians hermaphrodites with Cow-like udders and lactating tentacles for nipples, in addition to other crazy-ass things, because it's their Universe and we have absolutely no say in what goes on in it, and because really, "WHO THE HELL CARES?"

Well, they are free to totally do all of that. It's their business case after all. But we are allowed to say "eeewwww.... kill it with fire!".

And with breasts on space bird-reptiles everybody should go ewwwww because it's just cheap and aweful. Like some stupid manga or i don't know. 

So...why is it cheap and awful when they are covered fully and you barely see them? Is it just pure ickiness towards breasts or does this go back to the faux "hard science" excuse? 

[InvincibleHero]

Just a couple of glaring facts people are missing. They are ALIEN not Earth avian. They appear similar to avians and that is how we may understand them but they are not they are alien. they do not have wings and they have metal exo-skeleton and many other differences. i bet they have more dissimilar to avian than they do similar traits.

Two BW creates all things Mass Effect. It is foolish to claim you know how turians really are. You did not make them. You want them to be however you wish and will come up with whatever reason you feel can work towards that aim. Your imagined/ideal turian is not anyone's idea but your own. BW as creator makes them how they want. We consume the created mass-media. Sure you may not like it, but it doesn't invalidate creational rights.

Thirdly it is not proven to be breast conclusively. All birds have a breast bone and a prominent bulge in the area. She could simply be wearing an outfit designed for asari or human. It will make it appear to have chest bumps thereof. It might be a singular ridge for all we know. It could be bone or metal. people act like they know everything and possess facts from a screencap. LOL Yeah.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 11 novembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[HiddenInWar]

dreamgazer wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

They would put a rack on a female Hanar.

[Kanaris]

Honestly unless Nyreen is going to stand there and flash her "chest" at Shepard to prove she is female I still see a lot of hate being thrown around over a speculation and nothing else as you have no solid proof just a few bad pics that don't really tell you anything.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

I think the Female Turians should have a longer fringe than the Male Turians. Them without a fringe is weird.

Also, why the pathetically small cleavage? They probably give birth like mammals if they have breasts, not lay eggs.

But hell, this is outside of Earth. Anything goes.

[BSpud]

Bioware, you so silly and uncreative sometimes.

[UrgentArchengel]

Implants? Maybe she got sick of all them Turian war nerds, and wanted some xeno-racial love!

[Shatterhand1701]

You know what stuns and shocks me most?

That people are actually taking umbrage over this. Discussion, debate...that's all fine and dandy. But the fact that people are actually using this issue as yet another excuse to make BioWare the Big Bad of gaming companies is stupidity writ large.

But never mind that now; let's just go to the Mass Effect wiki, which takes all of its information from the Codex and any other established lore...

"Turian features are avian, making them resemble humanoid birds or raptors, however unlike most Earth avian creatures, turians are viviparous and give birth to live young."

So, yeah...got the avian features thing right. However, if anyone takes time to look up "viviparous", they'll see it means as follows, courtesy of Wikipedia:

"In animals, it means development of the embryo inside the body of the mother, eventually leading to live birth, as opposed to laying eggs."

So, while their features are avian, their method of giving birth is not. SO...couldn't it be possible that they feed their young naturally though mammary glands of some sort, as well?

Oh, but please...do continue with your arguments about a fictional alien species just because you don't like that their females have breasts. I'm sure that makes much more sense.

[MoonEcho]

The reason people are aggrieved is that it's an old, tired trope. Let's be real, mammalian breasts are not an especially likely attribute for turians to have, just based on the race's other traits. And no, viviparity doesn't count - lots of viviparous races are non-mammalian, so that doesn't tip the issue one way or the other.

So, yes, turians could have breasts, because they are a designed race. Turian females could have ANYTHING - bioluminescence, doorbells, turtle flippers, whatever. But when we have to do all this work and mental backflipping to justify the design choice - 'maybe it's suspiciously convenient shadowing/carapace curving that just happens to look boobish, maybe the metal carapace retracts over her boobs, maybe infants somehow have a mouth that can suckle in order to make this work,' - the real question is 'why did the designers make this particular choice?'

When the most solid explanation for a design choice in fiction is 'the designers were using a trope so we'd get it' instead of (and not in addition to) 'it makes sense based on x, y, and z in the story', it may not be a real solid decision they made.

As a thought exercise, let's imagine she was exactly identical to how she is now, but she had no hint of human-style breasts. The designers removed all of the curves and forms they put there to read that way. Maybe her torso is the same shape as a turian male, but just narrower or something. She had the same shape otherwise, had a female voice, and the divergent face shape. Now then: would it be so much harder for the player to understand she was female?

To the point: even if it was harder, would that matter? Is making her very obviously feminine in a human way the top priority in her design, even if it comes at the expense of making a great deal of sense on other levels and being, well, confusing?

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against making her feminine or different than the males, but there are so many better ways of doing it that don't take so much strained justification.

Modifié par MoonEcho, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:09 .

[xsdob]

If she's flat as a board, she don;t got breast. Sorry, but that's how I judge things, I'm a very empirical person that way.

[Leonia]

Oh hey it's THIS thread again. Yeah, this isn't as much fun the fifth time around.