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[Taint Master]

Are they going to use the looks from the CGI trailers? 

I'd actually be down with that, but I'd like to know before I dust off my old DA games for a refresher playthrough prior to DA3.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Where did they say their canonizing them?

[TheInquisitor]

Why should they canonize them? They have the technology to import our faces surely. And they could give us the option on whether the warden is voiced or not.

[Taint Master]

Well it was done with Revan and the Exile, so I expect it to come eventually with this game. The characters can't stay open-ended forever...

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Taint Master wrote...

Well it was done with Revan and the Exile, so I expect it to come eventually with this game. The characters can't stay open-ended forever...

The people who worked on TOR aren't the same people working on DA3.

[Taint Master]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Well it was done with Revan and the Exile, so I expect it to come eventually with this game. The characters can't stay open-ended forever...

The people who worked on TOR aren't the same people working on DA3.

That doesn't really matter.  As the games progress (and if they're ever going to branch out into more books, comics, maybe even movies), it's a move they'll have to make eventually.  The story will get too big to leave so vage and undefined.

Modifié par Taint Master, 10 novembre 2012 - 05:40 .

[zambingo]

Custom Warden and Hawke cameos could come on this level:

The create-your-character screen could have a separate window for recreating your Warden's and Hawke's appearances.

Does this ruin the game's surprise? No.

Knowing a character might be seen in some undefined fashion does not = PLOT REVEALED

People who don't import past decisions (if even possible) and or people that don't bother with tweaking a Warden and Hawke would just get the default trailer "canon" appearances of those past PCs.

[Wulfram]

There isn't any good reason to canonise them*. As time goes on the details of who they were will be less relevant to the plot, not more.

*well, finding the Urn of Sacred Ashes would probably a good claim to Sainthood, and the Ultimate Sacrifice would add martyrdom to the list. But it doesn't seem the Chantry does that sort of thing.

[Taint Master]

krul2k wrote...

As far as im concerned the warden an hawke storys are done, The warden was to stop the blight he/she did it if anything is to be continued from that story its the story of the monarch an his/her decisions on the now world stage, hawke was at the center of a storm the story now centers on the storm not him./her his /hers job is done.

Both are heroes yes but in the times to come they will be only 2 heroes in a pool of many heroic characters

You could have said the same thing for Revan and the Exile, but to give the following stories more cohesion they were canonized. 

Personally I'm for it if it means we see the end result of the Dark Ritual down the road.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Taint Master wrote...

krul2k wrote...

As far as im concerned the warden an hawke storys are done, The warden was to stop the blight he/she did it if anything is to be continued from that story its the story of the monarch an his/her decisions on the now world stage, hawke was at the center of a storm the story now centers on the storm not him./her his /hers job is done.

Both are heroes yes but in the times to come they will be only 2 heroes in a pool of many heroic characters

You could have said the same thing for Revan and the Exile, but to give the following stories more cohesion they were canonized. 

Personally I'm for it if it means we see the end result of the Dark Ritual down the road.

Wasn't KOTOR about them though? Dragon Age 3 won't be about Hawke or The Warden and nor should any future game. Each game features new protagonists and there's literally no reason to bring old ones back when they have served their role and defeated their antagonist. Unless a new archdemon arises, where is the need to bring The Warden back? Even if a new archdemon did arise then another Grey Warden could stop it.

Meanwhile there's no reason at all for Hawke to return considering Meredith is dead unless he/she truly cares about stopping the mage/templar war which I'm led to believe concludes rather early in DA3 based on all I've heard which in turn defeats the need for Hawke to ever come back.

The Dark Ritual isn't even cannon so it's not good enough reason to cannonize The Warden. Also the import feature works fine so a Warden could easily be imported and then there could be 6 voices for each race and gender within, that's if it's a cameo, then Bioware could afford to do such a thing especially if the Wardens are all saying the same few lines.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 10 novembre 2012 - 06:15 .

[Melima]

http://blog.bioware....e-at-pax-east/    <----- Look here

The word straight from the horses' mouths, so to speak, in speaking to the fans, sounds like it is highly possible that Hawke will have a part, and that the Warden may appear, as well as being sure that your choices, your imports will matter in Dragon Age III: Inquisition. I would imagine that one way the appearance of your Hawke and your Warden will be what you want is that the programmers will give you a character creation screen for those as well, if old imports make for bad likenesses.

Edit: Whoops. I forgot to mention that they also said the Voice Over Wheel conversation would be in effect if your Warden and Hawke are brought in, but they would try not to make them sound too silly. 

Edit: But 'canonize'? No. How could they? It's your choice.

Modifié par Melima, 10 novembre 2012 - 06:17 .

[Taint Master]

krul2k wrote...

Sitting trying to remember wat they did to revan an the exile, been to long i guess, aint one dead an the other being used by the sith or somein im to old memory no like it used to be lol

I could answer, but that would spoil SWTOR for you

Elton John is dead wrote...

Wasn't
KOTOR about them though? Dragon Age 3 won't be about Hawke or The
Warden and nor should any future game. Each game features new
protagonists and there's literally no reason to bring old ones back when
they have served their role and defeated their antagonist. Unless a new
archdemon arises, where is the need to bring The Warden back? Even if a
new archdemon did arise then another Grey Warden could stop it.

Actually the parallels between KOTOR 1/2 and DAO/DA2 are very strong.  KOTOR 1 was about Revan like DAO was about the Warden.  KOTOR 2 was losely tied to 1, but focused entirely on the Exile and her personal story much like DA2 focused on Hawke.

SWTOR takes place 300 years later and is about a whole new set of protagonists, but still references to Revan and the Exile are made.  It makes the story feel a lot more believable to me.

The Dark Ritual isn't even cannon so it's not good enough reason to
cannonize The Warden.

Wouldn't you want it to be though?  I'm dying to see where the writers would go with that thread.

[FINE HERE]

Taint Master wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Well it was done with Revan and the Exile, so I expect it to come eventually with this game. The characters can't stay open-ended forever...

The people who worked on TOR aren't the same people working on DA3.

That doesn't really matter. As the games progress (and if they're ever going to branch out into more books, comics, maybe even movies), it's a move they'll have to make eventually. The story will get too big to leave so vage and undefined.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the books are their own seperate canon, and that they won't completely effect the game.

Wouldn't you want [The Dark Ritual] to be though?  I'm dying to see where the writers would go with that thread.

If I persued it in one of my saves, then sure. But I'm actually more interested to see what Morigan would do without it, especially if your warden rejected her while having 90 or higher approval with her. Is she gonna be upset and mention the warden? How will she plan whatever she had planned without the dark ritual? That's more interesting to me then, 'OOoooo! Magical All Powerful Baby!' (Althought I do want to see it too...)

Modifié par FINE HERE, 10 novembre 2012 - 06:37 .

[BouncyFrag]

If they will canonize them, I'd rather Bioware just stop bothering putting 'choice' in their games altogether and the whole import save system.

[Heimdall]

They won't canonize them. Revan and the Exile are a different situation entirely. They were canonized years ago by the Star Wars people, not Bioware.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 10 novembre 2012 - 06:50 .

[draken-heart]

Doesn't BioWare have a policy of there is no canon within the DA and ME universes?

[MillKill]

Why bother with Hawke and The Warden cameos? It's pointless fanservice. People want to see their characters. They don't care about the canon ones. Creating canon versions will only serve to anger a bunch of people and invoke apathy in the rest.

[Masha Potato]

With all the canonizing going around i just can't help but think of jesus and stuff

[Arppis]

I don't mind if they canonize them. After all DA2 is basicaly a fictional story within the fictional story. So details are vague.

Oh yeah, I hope they will use the same story method this time arond too... and USE IT PROPERLY and more often.

Modifié par Arppis, 10 novembre 2012 - 07:13 .

[Taint Master]

MillKill wrote...

Why bother with Hawke and The Warden cameos?

Well the end of DA2 hints at the previous storylines building to a head in the future.  We could get a more detailed and thorough story if the previous lore is already established.  Leaving it open ended means Bioware has to account for every possible outcome from both games, which is pretty daunting and might lead to watered-down content later on.

This worked in the ME series because those games are smaller in scope than DA.  The entire series revolves around one person and his companions.  DA, like Star Wars, encompasses multiple heroes and storylines that all entertwine in some way or another.