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[OneTrueShot]

Bioware have pretty much outright stated they don't care, and as per such, I've already made my stance on such clear - I won't be purchasing any more of their products.

[Methenu]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Honestly don't even understand what aspect of it gives people headaches.

This. I don't get the complaining about the visual. It's an alien race ffs, they should see their environment differently from us.

It's not broken, so no need to fix it.

What about the Batarians?  They have 4 eyes.  You don't think they would "see their environment differently"?  Why don't we have some wacked out view when we play them?

How about the Volus?  Their planet has an atmosphere of primarily ammonia.  Their eyes would have to be incredibly different from humans.  No odd view of the environment there either.

I'm sure something similar to "it's not broken, so no need to fix it" was said about interlacing on monitors at first as well.  Just because you don't have a problem with it doesn't mean a problem doesn't exist.  (http://en.wikipedia....nterlaced_video).

I personally have no issues with the Geth HM.  No headaches or unreasonable eye strain.  What I have a problem with is the people dismissing this issue (the other thread had 54 pages) as if there is nothing wrong.  So, I stand on the side of the people who would like it changed or at least given the option to turn off the screen effect.  Saying "it's not broken, so no need to fix it" is some ignorant thinking.  If you were shot I wouldn't tell you to suck it up and deal with it because I didn't have a bullet hole in me.  I'd be inclined to help you.   

[Genesis Knight]

OneTrueShot wrote...

Bioware have pretty much outright stated they don't care, and as per such, I've already made my stance on such clear - I won't be purchasing any more of their products.

Good for you *pats head*  < me being a d**k

Yet you post on the forums?  Genuine question why is that? < me being less of a d**k

Modifié par Genesis Knight, 10 novembre 2012 - 06:43 .

[OneTrueShot]

Genesis Knight wrote...

OneTrueShot wrote...

Bioware have pretty much outright stated they don't care, and as per such, I've already made my stance on such clear - I won't be purchasing any more of their products.

Good for you *pats head*  < me being a d**k

Yet you post on the forums?  Genuine question why is that? < me being less of a d**k

Because I've already made my investment in this game? The community isn't the problem, a visual effect that causes health issues for many players is.

[Sabbatine]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

 I currently have three characters that I cannot play properly, because when I use their specialized power, my eyes hurt, and I get nausous.  I happen to know that this is not just a problem with me, as I have seen other threads about this.  I even tried turning down the brightness on my tv and it didn't help.  this is also going to make the machinist banner very difficult, as I need at least one of the geth characters challenge.  there is something seriously wrong with this power.

Demanding that Bioware fix something that is not broken isn't going to get it done.  Next time you should try asking respectfully.  Hundreds or even thousands of people can play using hunter mode without any adverse side effects.

Also, what I'm about to say might sound unbelievable but...

You can play a Geth character without using hunter mode and still do just fine.

OneTrueShot wrote...

The community isn't the problem, a visual effect that causes health issues for many players is.

Hahaha funniest thing I've read today.  Just what health issues does using hunter mode cause?  Do you have scientific data to back up this hilarious claim or are you mislabeling mild eye irritation that may or may not be caused by hunter mode as a "health issue"?

Modifié par Sabbatine, 10 novembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

For some reason with glasses the eye cancer is gone. Without them, ZE GOGGLES DO NASING!

[WMcAlister]

Think they said somewhere in the past that they don't have any plans to change it, and/or it would be too much trouble for them.

[OneTrueShot]

Sabbatine wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

 I currently have three characters that I cannot play properly, because when I use their specialized power, my eyes hurt, and I get nausous.  I happen to know that this is not just a problem with me, as I have seen other threads about this.  I even tried turning down the brightness on my tv and it didn't help.  this is also going to make the machinist banner very difficult, as I need at least one of the geth characters challenge.  there is something seriously wrong with this power.

Demanding that Bioware fix something that is not broken isn't going to get it done.  Next time you should try asking respectfully.  Hundreds or even thousands of people can play using hunter mode without any adverse side effects.

Also, what I'm about to say might sound unbelievable but...

You can play a Geth character without using hunter mode and still do just fine.

OneTrueShot wrote...

The community isn't the problem, a visual effect that causes health issues for many players is.

Hahaha funniest thing I've read today.  Just what health issues does using hunter mode cause?  Do you have scientific data to back up this hilarious claim or are you mislabeling mild eye irritation that may or may not be caused by hunter mode as a "health issue"?

What evidence more do I need than 54 pages of users complaining of migraines and headaches caused by it? What exactly do you want me to do? Many health issues often go unrecognized until people speak up. What more do you REALLY want? A full scientific study into it? Jesus Christ, if people are recognizing something as a problem, that should be enough.

You are truly thoughtless, uncaring and a terrible example of why this world is going to ****.

[OneTrueShot]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Methenu wrote...

Leland Gaunt wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Honestly don't even understand what aspect of it gives people headaches.

This. I don't get the complaining about the visual. It's an alien race ffs, they should see their environment differently from us.

It's not broken, so no need to fix it.

What about the Batarians?  They have 4 eyes.  You don't think they would "see their environment differently"?  Why don't we have some wacked out view when we play them?

How about the Volus?  Their planet has an atmosphere of primarily ammonia.  Their eyes would have to be incredibly different from humans.  No odd view of the environment there either.

I'm sure something similar to "it's not broken, so no need to fix it" was said about interlacing on monitors at first as well.  Just because you don't have a problem with it doesn't mean a problem doesn't exist.  (http://en.wikipedia....nterlaced_video).

I personally have no issues with the Geth HM.  No headaches or unreasonable eye strain.  What I have a problem with is the people dismissing this issue (the other thread had 54 pages) as if there is nothing wrong.  So, I stand on the side of the people who would like it changed or at least given the option to turn off the screen effect.  Saying "it's not broken, so no need to fix it" is some ignorant thinking.  If you were shot I wouldn't tell you to suck it up and deal with it because I didn't have a bullet hole in me.  I'd be inclined to help you.   

The comparision would be more fitting if someone asked you to shoot you and you said yes and THEN complained it hurts.

No one ever forced people to play with HM. Some people do have negative reactions, just as some people find out they have allergies the first time they eat a specific ingredient. It's their bad if they keep eating, say cucumber, even though they are allergic to it.


Second, people don't randomly get headahces or other symptomes because the screen is bright or blurry. They get those symptomes because something is wrong with THEM. In that case they should themselves have checked up. Just like my example with the epileptic. Some people simply can't play some games, period.

Are we going to blame BioWare that one of the many, many things they brought up for the game does not work with your body? Me and a lot, lot, LOT of people have no issues at all, so it's not a basic design failure we could blame BioWare for. For everyone that does not suffer from those symptomes, HM works perfectly as it should.


BioWare has already stated they are not going to change it. That is regretably for everyone that can't use HM, but frankly this looks like only a very small percantage of people have problems and those are because their eyes are deficient to some extent, not the game.

It's called 'Accessibility', you should look it up.

[Uchimura]

I deal with it, but it's not very pleasant. Not sure how people think having something like a bloom setting on 3x is normal. HM is one of the easier ones to deal with.. Rage is terrible. Markman is probably the best--quite noticable, but doesn't make everything strange colors or excessively bright.

Modifié par Uchimura, 10 novembre 2012 - 06:58 .

[Walhorin]

I would prefer it being changed as well, it hurts my eyes

[Genesis Knight]

OneTrueShot wrote...

Because I've already made my investment in this game? The community isn't the problem, a visual effect that causes health issues for many players is.

Fair comment dude  

I still find it hard how some people can say they won’t buy any more products before seeing them seems childish to me just IMO nothing against you personally.
As to the topic I can see the issue but I deeply believe that some are over exaggerating the overall problem and I wonder how many have their brightness turned up and refuse to change it
How many are having the problem and what are they playing on pc Xbox or ps3? What are they using what monitors/TVs etc ? again genuine question to anyone that will reply in a cool ass manner

Modifié par Genesis Knight, 10 novembre 2012 - 06:57 .

[Katinka]

It is Bioware's fault if epilepsy sufferers have issues when the Hunter Mode isn't working as intended. For example, everytime my friend runs with Hunter Mode active the screen flickers black. That doesn't happen all the time on my computer but does very occasionally. I'm pretty sure added inconsistent screen flicker is not an intended feature of Hunter Mode and as such should be fixed. Fixing the unintentional screen flicker may be enough to stop it giving people headaches and nausea.

Modifié par Nemy Montoya, 10 novembre 2012 - 07:02 .

[llandwynwyn]

I just don't understand how they added many artifacts, blur, a triangle in the middle of a too bright screen and not one person stop to wonder if it was going to affect some players.

[Clearly Balkan]

Hunter Mode is something you just need to get accustomed to.

After prolong use you won't even notice, although on brighter maps is much worse then on darker maps.

I won't even notice it now & on the beginning I couldn't even play GI.

[surleygentelman]

The effect for hunter mode is distracting. However, I've never found it to cause eye pain or headaches. This mist be a situation that comes with the console version. I have a mid range monitor for my pc and I have never had a problem with hunter mode. It's probably the glare effect from the tv that's being used. With that being said I hopes the mode is not changed too drastically due people with suspect tv's

[OneTrueShot]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

@OneTrueShot:

HM is of how many powers? Three of how many kits sport that power? How many builds can you make without that power used?


Accessability isn't impaired. Everyone can play the utmost majority of the game just fine. In fact, there are very likely swathes of people out there that can't play Gold, let alone Platinum difficulty because it's too hard for them. Would you say their accessability is being cut?

Would you argument that a minimum height for rollercoasters is unfair? That a minimum weight and health level is for donating blood?




There simply are some things some people can't do for whatever reasons. Some people have allergies, others have physical deficiencies, others lack the stomach to do something they'd like to, like bungie-jumping for example.


That is life. You simply can't make ot work for everyone, some people are always having problems with this or that.

What you're discussing are extremes that cannot be helped. There are no magical cures for height, aversions to peanuts or a sudden weight loss treatment that means you could donate blood. Furthermore, the 'accessibility' of Platinum or Gold is not an issue of health, it is an issue of skill, something that is of no relevance to that of a health issue.

What is being asked for is both reasonable and fair, given the amount of people suffering with the issue. I'd be fine with a toggle-on for visual overlay skills - Instead of the overlay being present, instead an option, similiar to that of, say, an active power-up in an RPG, like a small square in the bottom right hand side of the screen showing a picture of the power. It's a VERY reasonable request, making many power skills more accessible for many different users.

Sure, in this case, it's only addressing one particular skill, but a change that would address all visual skills would be very valuable in the case of accessibility.

[metaempiricist]

your personal problems and weepy eyes are comedy to me.

[vkt62]

Both the hunter mode and the lightning on fire base giant night version give me a headache. Really hot they make the hunter mode symbols more transparent, smaller or get rid of them. I can't understand why they can't do anything about something that causes a health issue.

[Zhuinden]

I'll be amazed when you guys realize it's actually bad for your eyes.

[LoboFH]

Hunter Mode is not broken, so nothing needs to be fixed.

Hell with the young generations, did you forget the concept of sacrifice for a better goal?

[Rolenka]

Hunter Mode's visual is inexcusable.