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[Raddx Fusion]

In regards to the way your Shepard would normally behave? Not including the ending of course.

I loved ME3 but for me it has to be when you talk to Joker after the mission on Thessia. He cracks a small joke and the only option for Shepard is to scald him for it. I find this to be very annoying as there is no way of casually agreeing with him or even joke back, I get the reason for it story-wise but it is completely out of character for my Shep to lash out and it somewhat disassociates me as the player from Shepard.

How about you guys?

[Kanaris]

I don't have a specific place that felt out of character per say but I got a distinct feeling that Shep was kind of cold towards his LI at parts which to me would have been out of place for my shep as My LI was the reason for doing all this not just to save the galaxy.

Modifié par Kanaris, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:21 .

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

[Eterna]

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

Because millions of people are being killed for nothing due to your failure. 

The only way you could not care about that is if your Shepard is a Sociopath. 

[Kanaris]

I guess in a way that part is a little bit of an overreaction to jokers "joke" since ME it was clear that joker handles stress and sadness by trying to lighten the mood with humor.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

Because millions of people are being killed for nothing due to your failure. 

The only way you could not care about that is if your Shepard is a Sociopath. 

Ah yes. I had dismissed that claim...
But still, Reapers were invading Thessia, if Kai Leng was stopped in Thessia, it would still lead them to Cronos Station. It wouldn't change anything

Well, that's my opinion

[CDR David Shepard]

Shepard saying "Liara is the what?" after EDI says she is the Shadow Broker...except that Shepard already knows Liara is the Shadow Broker from talking to her when he first visits her area.

EDI's talk about Legion and the Geth after Shepard makes the difficult decision that ends with their demise.

It's so out of place because it's so unlike EDI to be like that. Shepard made one of the toughest decisions ever...and lost a friend over it...and EDI makes it so much worse by acting like that. That is one conversation that pisses me off more than anything in the whole series. I honestly couldn't believe she would be like that to Shepard.

[Kanaris]

Actually if you had beat Leng there you wouldn't need to go to Horizon or Cronos station cause Cerberus wouldn't have gotten the prothean VI

Modifié par Kanaris, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:31 .

[jstme]

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

Because millions of people are being killed for nothing due to your failure. 

The only way you could not care about that is if your Shepard is a Sociopath. 

There is no way a hardened soldier will crack like this after a joke. This is war,remember? Hard choices and sacrifices and stuff.
And here Shepard snaps at a harmless joke after a single lost battle instead of been glad that troops morale did not sank to the bottom? My Shepard was not an emo. He should have reacted in "retreat and regroup" instead of nervous breakdown.

[Argolas]

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

Because millions of people are being killed for nothing due to your failure. 

The only way you could not care about that is if your Shepard is a Sociopath. 

Ah yes. I had dismissed that claim...
But still, Reapers were invading Thessia, if Kai Leng was stopped in Thessia, it would still lead them to Cronos Station. It wouldn't change anything

Well, that's my opinion

It's not just Thessia, it's about what the Thessia mission should have accomplished. Shepard's plan was to go in, get the "catalyst", go out, let Hackett's guys add it to the crucible and win immediatly. After Thessia, Shepard may consider every second the war continiued his/her fault.

Cronos Station wouldn't really matter if Kail Lame had failed. They only came for the catalyst.

[mumba]

"You!" When seeing Kai Leng on Thessia.
Probably one of the dumbest lines in the game and completely anti-climactic.

[Kanaris]

jstme wrote...

There is no way a hardened soldier will crack like this after a joke. This is war,remember? Hard choices and sacrifices and stuff.
And here Shepard snaps at a harmless joke after a single lost battle instead of been glad that troops morale did not sank to the bottom? My Shepard was not an emo. He should have reacted in "retreat and regroup" instead of nervous breakdown.

That makes me think of those dream sequences you are forced into through the game. Given how much This man has already seen in his military life especially if you chose the colonist/sole survivor origin see ONE boy die right in front of him would not have effected him that much.

Modifié par Kanaris, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:36 .

[Ticonderoga117]

"This isn't about strategy or tactics, this is about survival."
Both reactions to Joker's joke.
Everything the defense committee says.
Everything Hackett says.
Felt a nicer choice to the Turian councilor would fit better since he's actually being helpful.

[CDR David Shepard]

jstme wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

Because millions of people are being killed for nothing due to your failure. 

The only way you could not care about that is if your Shepard is a Sociopath. 

There is no way a hardened soldier will crack like this after a joke. This is war,remember? Hard choices and sacrifices and stuff.
And here Shepard snaps at a harmless joke after a single lost battle instead of been glad that troops morale did not sank to the bottom? My Shepard was not an emo. He should have reacted in "retreat and regroup" instead of nervous breakdown.

To each their own.

My Shepard...no matter how "war hardened" would feel for the deaths of millions that he not only tried to save...but made them stick around to help him...and he failed.

Yes...Shepard loses his cool after Joker makes a very tasteless joke about the species that was almost wiped out all together and basically lost their homeworld...but he regains his cool again after a little dialog.

I don't think it's a strech to think that could happen.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[Ticonderoga117]

jstme wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

Because millions of people are being killed for nothing due to your failure. 

The only way you could not care about that is if your Shepard is a Sociopath. 

There is no way a hardened soldier will crack like this after a joke. This is war,remember? Hard choices and sacrifices and stuff.
And here Shepard snaps at a harmless joke after a single lost battle instead of been glad that troops morale did not sank to the bottom? My Shepard was not an emo. He should have reacted in "retreat and regroup" instead of nervous breakdown.

If anything, joking would be the usual way to deal with the stress. Especially this dark humor. Laughing at a joke doesn't mean you're a freakin' sociopath.

Saying you wish all the Asari would become Banshees would be sociopathic.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

This!

[Ticonderoga117]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

EDI's talk about Legion and the Geth after Shepard makes the difficult decision that ends with their demise.

It's so out of place because it's so unlike EDI to be like that. Shepard made one of the toughest decisions ever...and lost a friend over it...and EDI makes it so much worse by acting like that. That is one conversation that pisses me off more than anything in the whole series. I honestly couldn't believe she would be like that to Shepard.

I saw that on YouTube and I nearly spat my drink out when EDI said "I doubt that is any comfort to Legion". That's ******* horrible! You mean-spirited cow!                                                                                     Anyway, mine has to be "This isn't about about strategy or tactics!" (how the hell is this guy a Commander?), and "We fight or we die, that's the plan" (no sh!t Sherlock).

I don't remember this, so I'm completely lost on what happened with EDI.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 11 novembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[chris2365]

When Shepard says '' You, big, stupid jellyfish''

It just doesn't fit my Shepard. In ME1, saying that same line was an option, not an obligation

[Kanaris]

www.youtube.com/watch 

[Ticonderoga117]

Kanaris wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 

Thanks, and huh, interesting. EDI being a bit of a b*tch. Though it's interesting to note how her arguments can be easily used on the opposite side of things.

[Gold Dragon]

My 2 canon Shepards (Femshep is an Adept/War Hero, Male Shep is Sole Survivor/Vanguard) would never have talked to Kai Leng on Thessia, but would have fired upon him.  AND refused to talk.

Also, neither would have felt bad about Thessia's fall (tho may have shown some small aount of grief for Liara's sake).  They would have been angered over it, and likely have yelled at the Asari Councillor, and blamed the Matriarchs for the fall (which is the truth.  Had the Asari told earlier about the Beacon, and Shepard waited that long, then Shepard would accept blame for it) of Thessia.


How I, personally, would have written it:

Thane would have killed Leng, but died of injuries during surgery if survived the SM and Loyalty mission sucessfully completed in ME 2, as well as talked to beforehand in ME 3, UNLESS Romanced by Femshep (then Either as we got or a cure given).

Thessia would have still ended in failure, but instead of a "boss battle", the Beacon is gone when Shepard Arrives in the temple.  In Cutscene, some random Cerberus dude would then deliver a gloating message to Shepard (allowing for the Charm/intimidate option needed), then Liara hits the Cerberus dude with a Warp field so powerful that there are only microscopic particles left.

The final battles of Chronos Station would then have additional Phantoms and Nemisis troops in addition to the forces Leng brought in.


Or just a re-write of Thessia:  Kill Leng there, and have Miranda ask for help at Sanctuary.

[Aaleel]

Why does everyone attribute Shepard's mood after Thessia solely to the fate of Thessia.

Shepard had the Catalyst in his/her hands, and was on the way in his/her mind to completing the Crucible and going to save Earth. Then lost it because he/she failed against Kai Leng and now the fate of Earth and all he/she knows is in doubt.

Modifié par Aaleel, 11 novembre 2012 - 03:05 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

The bit where Shepard demands the Council sends their fleets to Earth even though their own worlds are about to be attacked by Reapers. Shepard has spent far too long dealing with the council to think they'd go for that. He should at least have tried to phrase the request in terms of strategy.

Also, at one point the quarians compare the situation with Rannoch to the situation on Earth. Letting that dialogue go without pointing out that Shepard considers his home to be a series of spaceships and that the only reason Earth is important is that there are a lot of humans there felt incredibly out of character. Actually, there aren't enough "What exactly is wrong with living in space?" moments altogether. You'd think Spacer Shepard would have something to say about the situation, but nope.

[Asch Lavigne]

Adding "How did we get here? The Geth are better than this." to the list.

Brain seems to be unable to think at the moment. May post more later.