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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I didn't feel Shepard's reaction to Joker's remark inappropriate since it was well known in other MEs regarding gossip about your LIs. Joker was lucky he got off with that response.

"This isn't about strategy or tactics.... we fight or we die!"

[_aLucidMind_]

"We fight or we die" was a bit uncharactaristic of my Shepard; she would have said something more along the lines of just saying "We can't sit with our heads up our asses like the Council, so I don't know" (renegon Shep) and my paragade Shep would have simply said "The most we can do right now is to give them hell". This would have sounded better.

Her snapping at Joker sort of fit all of my Sheps' characters; they all recognize that Joker uses humor as a coping mechanism but the stress of her worrying about the trillions that are or could die for what she knows was an idiotic mistake she made in the fight against Leng that caused her to lose the Catalyst plagued her. Everyone has moments where they act completely irrational and out of character towards something that they normally would enjoy or laugh at out of stress. This moment was Shepard's and I'm fine with it.

Then there was Shepard not basically punching Jacob in the face for cheating on her. The Shepard that I played that romanced Jacob would have saved everybody but Jacob because of that.

[SeptimusMagistos]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kanaris wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 

Thanks, and huh, interesting. EDI being a bit of a b*tch. Though it's interesting to note how her arguments can be easily used on the opposite side of things.

Eh, having read comments by some of the people who picked the quarians in that situation, I'm completely on her side in this one.

[Gilsa]

The Ex-Cerberus scientist mission with FemShep. It's not the break-up itself, but how it was executed:

1. Shepard on her knees groveling for a kiss while Jacob's breaking up with her. There are no paragon/renegade paths to choose. It's all very linear and brief.
2. That stupid chick fight with Dr. Cole and then skipping down the corridor arm-in-arm to fight the bad guys.

Shepard had no dignity whatsoever. Most thoughtless piece of writing I've ever seen in the series.

[CDR David Shepard]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kanaris wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 

Thanks, and huh, interesting. EDI being a bit of a b*tch. Though it's interesting to note how her arguments can be easily used on the opposite side of things.

Eh, having read comments by some of the people who picked the quarians in that situation, I'm completely on her side in this one.

I'm not going to get into all the reasons why Shepard and even EDI would and should choose to not let the Geth be uploaded with the Reaper code.

It's just so uncharacteristic like for EDI to be so cold to Shepard like that. I mean...rubbing salt in that wound was the worst thing anyone could do at that time...and it's something I would never expect from EDI.

Shepard just made the toughest choice and had to kill his friend because of it.

EDI, with all her intelligence...breaks Shepards decision down to him siding with the familiar. She completely disregards everything that happened up to that point...and basically says Shepard choose the Quarians just because they are organic.

Despite how Shepard has treated her throughout the series she acts as if Shepard is completely cold towards synthetics...as if Shepard didn't care for Legion.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 11 novembre 2012 - 03:37 .

[xsdob]

Is this only for me3 or the rest of the games as well?

ME1: Not knowing about the genophage, kinda a big thing to not know of, espically a solider who is meant to sometimes have to work with other species even if it's just law enforcement.

ME2: "We have dismissed that claim"...really? Really? F@$KING REALLY!?

ME3: Shepard wanting to stay on earth so badly, I understand what they were trying to do with that, but he should have focused on getting to the council and help them help the earth.

Modifié par xsdob, 11 novembre 2012 - 03:49 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

It's just so uncharacteristic like for EDI to be so cold to Shepard like that. I mean...rubbing salt in that wound was the worst thing anyone could do at that time...and it's something I would never expect from EDI.

Shepard just made the toughest choice and had to kill his friend because of it.

EDI, with all her intelligence...breaks Shepards decision down to him siding with the familiar. She completely disregards everything that happened up to that point...and basically says Shepard choose the Quarians just because they are organic.

Despite how Shepard has treated her throughout the series she acts as if Shepard is completely cold towards synthetics...as if Shepard didn't care for Legion.

You don't think she might be scared? She just saw Shepard wipe out the biggest synthetic race in the galaxy. Even if Shepard's been kind to synthetics until now, EDI is pretty much freaking out.

[FlamingBoy]

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

Because millions of people are being killed for nothing due to your failure. 

The only way you could not care about that is if your Shepard is a Sociopath. 

well then most shepards were sociopaths because I found it difficult to care for a faceless digital nation
maybe if we actually spent time on thessia I would have cared

[Sousabird]

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

Because millions of people are being killed for nothing due to your failure. 

The only way you could not care about that is if your Shepard is a Sociopath. 

If the council had actually got their crap straight Shepard wouldn't have been the only one with a chance at saving the planet

[thearbiter1337]

Legion:No, based on empirical evidence we are not...

Shep:Yeah


THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY SHEP
YEAH
AFTER SAYING THE GETH ARE BETTER THEN THIS

YOU COULD HAVE BEEN LIKE "But remember that was only the heretics and you are here to make the Geth and Quarians live together in peace..so everyone can live in peace without the Reapers"

BUTT NNNOOOOOOOOOOO "YEAH"

[DeinonSlayer]

Eterna5 wrote...

Illusive Man hates Shepard wrote...

Yup. This one on Thessia, it felt a little cold to my Shepard, even if he was a Paragon, even a Renegade, he didn't felt like that when Earth was hit, why should he care about Thessia???

Because millions of people are being killed for nothing due to your failure. 

The only way you could not care about that is if your Shepard is a Sociopath. 

I'd say the Matriarchs' decision to keep the Beacon secret as long as they did in order to maintain their edge over civilizations which would cease to exist if the Reapers won had far more to do with the outcome here than anything Shepard did or didn't do. If Shepard had to be mopey, I'd have appreciated an option to direct that anger towards them - towards Tevos - not towards the crew.

It pisses me off that the only dialogue choices with EDI, Joker, James and Anderson following Thessia are different flavors of "Color me butthurt." I've learned not to talk to them at all. It means I'll be listening to Traynor tell me about Anderson's waiting call for the last leg before Chronos, but it lets me maintain some semblance of Shepard's character by blowing it off.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 novembre 2012 - 04:29 .

[Nightwriter]

For me it was in ME2, when seeing an empty colony and footage of Collectors made my Shepard jump on board with Cerberus without contacting the Alliance or the Council first.

Like, wat.

Man, I love plots where you have to work with shady organizations -- great conflict, both internal and character-to-character -- but come on. Let me at least roleplay it like I'm between a rock and a hard place. To make a deal with the devil, the world needs to be ending, and the angels need to not be answering their phones. But the world wasn't ending. There was no sense of dire threat. And you didn't even let me CALL the angels first.

What a great opportunity for drama and conflict missed. I could've been more in tune with my Shepard than ever, going through a crisis of loyalty and struggle with him and everything. Instead I felt really disconnected from Shepard.

[yukon fire]

After Mordin Died, "What are you thinking about?"
Choice one Ash/Kaiden
Choice two Generic

WTH

I swear at times it feels like the order of stages could have been placed at random as nothing ever really flows.

[spockjedi]

STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVEEE!!!
I'm alright.
You sure?

[TheWerdna]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

"This isn't about strategy or tactics, this is about survival."
Both reactions to Joker's joke.
Everything the defense committee says.
Everything Hackett says.
Felt a nicer choice to the Turian councilor would fit better since he's actually being helpful.

Really? I was really dissapointed there was no reneage interupt to rub it in that I was right, maybe saying "Ah yes, you need help with the "Reapers" I warned you about"

[WNxPowder]

The fact that Shepard doesn't give a reason for sending a fleet to earth before the Citadel moves to earth

[Ticonderoga117]

TheWerdna wrote...
Really? I was really dissapointed there was no reneage interupt to rub it in that I was right, maybe saying "Ah yes, you need help with the "Reapers" I warned you about"

Why not both? This game used to be about talking, so throw it in! Bonus points if Shepard does the quote fingers.

[Nightwriter]

yukon fire wrote...

After Mordin Died, "What are you thinking about?"
Choice one Ash/Kaiden
Choice two Generic

WTH

I swear at times it feels like the order of stages could have been placed at random as nothing ever really flows.

Yeah they're always taking a risk when they provide you with dialogue options expressing concern over specific characters. There is never any guarantee the player gives a crap about said character, and the limitations of the dialogue wheel prevent them from listing every single character you could possibly be concerned about.

[Xilizhra]

I disagree with a few of these: I wholly support Shepard being angry at Joker after Thessia (and in fact I wanted an option to be angrier), and I even more support EDI chewing out Shepard after screwing up on Rannoch. I will, however, say that the entire prologue's dialogue was a huge pile of failure and I disregard the entire thing.

[Ticonderoga117]

Xilizhra wrote...

I disagree with a few of these: I wholly support Shepard being angry at Joker after Thessia (and in fact I wanted an option to be angrier), and I even more support EDI chewing out Shepard after screwing up on Rannoch. I will, however, say that the entire prologue's dialogue was a huge pile of failure and I disregard the entire thing.

If there's one side of the coin, there needs to be another. I personally thought the joke was pretty good and wanted Shepard to go (more or less) "Yeah, pretty much. Also, it's thier fault for not telling people about that beacon. Oh well, time to get back to business." or just laugh and shake his head or something. But when one choice is to be angry, and the other is to be angry but different, that's BS. BioWare, I'm fine with being railroaded at times if you hide it well enough, but you did not hide it well there.

[Xilizhra]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I disagree with a few of these: I wholly support Shepard being angry at Joker after Thessia (and in fact I wanted an option to be angrier), and I even more support EDI chewing out Shepard after screwing up on Rannoch. I will, however, say that the entire prologue's dialogue was a huge pile of failure and I disregard the entire thing.

If there's one side of the coin, there needs to be another. I personally thought the joke was pretty good and wanted Shepard to go (more or less) "Yeah, pretty much. Also, it's thier fault for not telling people about that beacon. Oh well, time to get back to business." or just laugh and shake his head or something. But when one choice is to be angry, and the other is to be angry but different, that's BS. BioWare, I'm fine with being railroaded at times if you hide it well enough, but you did not hide it well there.

I briefly felt like pulping Joker's head against the control console. Barring that, I personally might have said something cutting about Tiptree after he got all snotty about it when I called him on his bulll****. But my Shepard didn't because she's a better person than I am. Either way, though, the lack of a dialogue to approve of Joker's single worst line in the series is never going to be something that I mourn.

[dgcatanisiri]

Raddx Fusion wrote...

In regards to the way your Shepard would normally behave? Not including the ending of course.

I loved ME3 but for me it has to be when you talk to Joker after the mission on Thessia. He cracks a small joke and the only option for Shepard is to scald him for it. I find this to be very annoying as there is no way of casually agreeing with him or even joke back, I get the reason for it story-wise but it is completely out of character for my Shep to lash out and it somewhat disassociates me as the player from Shepard.

How about you guys?

This, absolutely. Thessia's fall is NOT Shepard's fault. It's the asari leadership's, for hiding the beacon until the eleventh hour. And lashing out at Joker... I've said it before, it's OBVIOUS from his delivery that he knows that it's a horrible joke, but it's how he's trying to process watching Thessia burn AND his concern for his father and sister AND the fact that Anderson was putting taking care of Shepard's emotional state on him (which, if any of the squadmates are a LI and especially if the LI is Ashley/Kaidan is a bit of a dick move on Anderson's part). Hell, my Shepards normally are like that as well, so they'd know and understand, not tear him a new one for it!

Modifié par dgcatanisiri, 11 novembre 2012 - 06:00 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Xilizhra wrote...
I briefly felt like pulping Joker's head against the control console. Barring that, I personally might have said something cutting about Tiptree after he got all snotty about it when I called him on his bulll****. But my Shepard didn't because she's a better person than I am. Either way, though, the lack of a dialogue to approve of Joker's single worst line in the series is never going to be something that I mourn.

All fine and dandy, but other Shepards might not be that way and instead want to knock down the Asari down another peg simply because they brought this upon themselves. When the series (until ME3) has been decently good at this, it's BS for it to be so sloppily done in the "big one".

[Xilizhra]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I briefly felt like pulping Joker's head against the control console. Barring that, I personally might have said something cutting about Tiptree after he got all snotty about it when I called him on his bulll****. But my Shepard didn't because she's a better person than I am. Either way, though, the lack of a dialogue to approve of Joker's single worst line in the series is never going to be something that I mourn.

All fine and dandy, but other Shepards might not be that way and instead want to knock down the Asari down another peg simply because they brought this upon themselves. When the series (until ME3) has been decently good at this, it's BS for it to be so sloppily done in the "big one".

THEY DID NOT.

[Ticonderoga117]

Xilizhra wrote...
THEY DID NOT.

...What? Bring it down upon themselves? Oh... but they did.