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[Ticonderoga117]

l7986 wrote...
That apparently jumps out at you the second you turn it on...

Maybe they had deeply ingrained hate towards paper clips that started with word processors that they immediately ignored the VI?

[DeinonSlayer]

David7204 wrote...

It really didn't make any difference. Shepard gets the VI back two missions later. Knowing the Citadel was the Catalyst slightly ahead of time wouldn't have changed anything in the battle for Earth.

The battle for Earth would never have happened if the VI were recovered sooner; if the Asari government hadn't sat on their secret so long. The Reapers move the Citadel to Earth because TIM told them the Crucible needed to dock with it - which he learns from the VI.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 novembre 2012 - 07:58 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

I agree with the Thessia thing, by the way. Losing the VI? Totally on Shepard. He forgot he could kill gunships, he forgot he can burn through Kai Lang's shields in literally a second, he forgot he has self-targeting bionic powers that could have killed the guy from inside that pit. That's Shepard's fault entirely.

The fall of Thessia? That happened before Shepard got there and even if Shepard had found a part labeled 'Catalyst' and took off for the Crucible immediately, it would have been too late to help Thessia.

And on that note, my Shepard would definitely agree with Joker. The Alliance has enough biotics to fill an academy and the first thing they do is turn them into a major war asset. Thessia has enough biotics to fill the entire planet and the first thing they do is lose to the Reapers. Earth and Palhaven, meanwhile, are still holding out after mutli-day sieges.

Also, while Liara deserves to grieve in the aftermath of Thessia, I do expect her to keep going. Everyone else's worlds are in just as much trouble and if Shepard can ignore the situation, then so can she.

[David7204]

Huh. I didn't think of that. Yeah, I suppose that's true.

[DeinonSlayer]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

I agree with the Thessia thing, by the way. Losing the VI? Totally on Shepard. He forgot he could kill gunships, he forgot he can burn through Kai Lang's shields in literally a second, he forgot he has self-targeting bionic powers that could have killed the guy from inside that pit. That's Shepard's fault entirely.

Gotta love cutscene dumbassery. I still say that back during the Citadel coup (even ignoring the whole "stand and watch Thane get shanked" incident), when Kai Leng lands on the hood of the car, Shepard should have just pulled up and let the next passing bridge scrape him off.

I so very badly wanted that to happen the first time I saw it... just like how Agent Smith gets smeared by a subway train in the first Matrix movie. Instead Shepard leans out of said moving vehicle to fire a pop-gun into his ludicriously powerful shields...

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 11 novembre 2012 - 08:04 .

[Xilizhra]

And on that note, my Shepard would definitely agree with Joker. The Alliance has enough biotics to fill an academy and the first thing they do is turn them into a major war asset. Thessia has enough biotics to fill the entire planet and the first thing they do is lose to the Reapers. Earth and Palhaven, meanwhile, are still holding out after mutli-day sieges.

There's no logical reason that Thessia wouldn't continue to resist. The game doesn't present it well, but there's no possible way it would just fold right then. Thessia then is about the same as Earth was at the beginning of the game; bad but salvageable.

Also, while Liara deserves to grieve in the aftermath of Thessia, I do expect her to keep going. Everyone else's worlds are in just as much trouble and if Shepard can ignore the situation, then so can she.

Which is completely doable if you're not an insensitive jackass to her.

[Foolsfolly]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It really didn't make any difference. Shepard gets the VI back two missions later. Knowing the Citadel was the Catalyst slightly ahead of time wouldn't have changed anything in the battle for Earth.

The battle for Earth would never have happened if the VI were recovered sooner; if the Asari government hadn't sat on their secret so long. The Reapers move the Citadel to Earth because TIM told them the Crucible needed to dock with it - which he learns from the VI.

And if the asari were half as superior as the game keeps telling us they are they'd be the Prothean Empire 2.0. All that advance tech, the best of the best in medical and weapons technology. Born with the most powerful biotics known throughout the universe.

And then the reveal would have made sense.

But of course the reveal didn't exist until some point in ME3's development when someone asked "How do we get Shepard to Thessia?"

...."There's a Beacon on Thessia."

[SeptimusMagistos]

Xilizhra wrote...

Which is completely doable if you're not an insensitive jackass to her.

Honestly, my Shepards consider Liara to be the insensitive one. She was all business when Earth fell and Palhaven was set on fire, but when it's the asari homeworld that gets hit suddenly she's sad. That kind of ethnocentrism is unacceptable. If you don't care equally about all sapient life, my Shepards consider you to be a bad person.

[l7986]

Ok so this is going out on a limb, but Liara, the Yahg and the ShadowBroker before him all suck as ShadowBrokers. Seriously how do all three of them miss a temple on Thessia that has massive military funding, and all the other crap that would make it stand out like a sore thumb.

Liara is somewhat forgivable since she only had a year at most to prepare for the Reapers, but the Yahg and whatever random dude was the ShadowBroker before totally fail. What's the point of having sources in the top parts of governments if they dont even notice a temple that has that kind of security. You would think that would be one of those secrets Liara has that could start wars in 10 minutes.

[Xilizhra]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Which is completely doable if you're not an insensitive jackass to her.

Honestly, my Shepards consider Liara to be the insensitive one. She was all business when Earth fell and Palhaven was set on fire, but when it's the asari homeworld that gets hit suddenly she's sad. That kind of ethnocentrism is unacceptable. If you don't care equally about all sapient life, my Shepards consider you to be a bad person.

Liara was quite sympathetic about Earth, and Palaven never truly fell, nor would the turians want sympathy delivered in any way that would imply that Palaven fell.

[SeptimusMagistos]

If we're allowed to bring up ME2 dialogue:

Anything other than 'Unshackle the AI. Now.' when learning about EDI. Shepard can spend all three games treating synthetics with the same respect he shows for organics, but now he's suddenly willing to keep one as a slave, no questions asked?

Also, the rationale for destroying the Collector Base stinks. Shepard has no choice but to say that because the technology of the base was used to do bad things nobody should use it. I'd prefer a line which admitted that the technology would be great to have but that Cerberus specifically can't be trusted with it - either because they're evil or because they couldn't even contain a few Rachni. At least one of my Shepards destroyed the base for basically the same reason people childproof doors - he knew that if he left it to Cerberus they would manage to hurt themselves.

[Kataphrut94]

There's that bit where James mentioned a "Cerberus spy working with the Collectors". I get that he's not omniscient and that Cerberus could have had spies for the Collectors, but it still rubbed me the wrong way.

[Foolsfolly]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

There's that bit where James mentioned a "Cerberus spy working with the Collectors". I get that he's not omniscient and that Cerberus could have had spies for the Collectors, but it still rubbed me the wrong way.

I'd forgotten about that bit.

I don't know what that anime is about... but Cerberus working with the Collectors is a big pill to swallow.

[saesenthessis]

The whole prologue. Looks like Shepard should have stayed incarcerated, considering how she had absolutely no information of value to offer.

Jacob saying, "No, Shepard, the Normandy is your real love" with Shep's LI standing in the next room. This line was so judgemental and presumptuous that it made me want to kick his behind. Instead, Shepard just mumbled something vague in return.

Speaking of Jacob, I really feel sorry for those who romanced him. Femshep 'confronting' Jacob about his cheating is one of the worst and most embarrassing scenes in any BW game ever. Terrible dialogue, terrible voice acting. Just... no.

The way Shepard gets hit with dumb whenever Kai Leng is involved.

Tbh, I could accept most of the auto-dialogue on my paragon run, but once I started playing with my ruthless renegade Shepard, I realized how bad it was. I liked the way BW handled it in DA2 better, where the auto-dialogue changed depending on which kind of response you chose most often. This way BW could have fleshed out Shepard while keeping his/her morality alignment intact.

[Eterna]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kanaris wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 

Thanks, and huh, interesting. EDI being a bit of a b*tch. Though it's interesting to note how her arguments can be easily used on the opposite side of things.

I don't see how she's being a ****. She upset and hurt because she knows her commander would sacrifice her in a instant if it cae to a choice between her and an organic crewmember.

I mean, how would you feel? You co pilot the ship, you mantain the ship, you even risk yourself to fight for someone only to find out they would kill you no problem. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 11 novembre 2012 - 09:02 .

[M Hedonist]

"Anyone know where Cerberus is hiding out?"
That scene would've been really awkward if nobody happened to know the answer.
It always makes me cringe for some reason.

Modifié par Sauruz, 11 novembre 2012 - 09:06 .

[WaterWar]

"You big stupid jellyfish" when confronting that hanar that has been indoctrinated. I mean, has Shepard suddenly become a comedy figure? That is so misplaced and out of character. Annoying.

[Nightwriter]

The big stupid jellyfish line got a serious laugh out of me.

Probably because it was so utterly justified.

Besides, fans went crazy about the big stupid jellyfish line in ME1. BioWare probably thought they were feeding an appreciated meme.

[CDR David Shepard]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kanaris wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 

Thanks, and huh, interesting. EDI being a bit of a b*tch. Though it's interesting to note how her arguments can be easily used on the opposite side of things.

I don't see how she's being a ****. She upset and hurt because she knows her commander would sacrifice her in a instant if it cae to a choice between her and an organic crewmember.

I mean, how would you feel? You co pilot the ship, you mantain the ship, you even risk yourself to fight for someone only to find out they would kill you no problem. 

See...this is part of the reason why it pisses me off.

She...just like you are now...assumes that Shepard simply picked organics over sythetics...when that wasn't the case at all.

She...and you...assume that Shepard would kill her in an instant if it came to a choice between her and an organic crewmember.

That fact is...if Joker allied himself with the Reapers...and then I rewrote his data so that he would no longer be under their control...and then he again allied himself with the Reapers...I would absolutely sacrifice Joker to save EDI.

These are the points that she...and you...seem to forget for some reason.

[Eterna]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kanaris wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 

Thanks, and huh, interesting. EDI being a bit of a b*tch. Though it's interesting to note how her arguments can be easily used on the opposite side of things.

I don't see how she's being a ****. She upset and hurt because she knows her commander would sacrifice her in a instant if it cae to a choice between her and an organic crewmember.

I mean, how would you feel? You co pilot the ship, you mantain the ship, you even risk yourself to fight for someone only to find out they would kill you no problem. 

See...this is part of the reason why it pisses me off.

She...just like you are now...assumes that Shepard simply picked organics over sythetics...when that wasn't the case at all.

She...and you...assume that Shepard would kill her in an instant if it came to a choice between her and an organic crewmember.

That fact is...if Joker allied himself with the Reapers...and then I rewrote his data so that he would no longer be under their control...and then he again allied himself with the Reapers...I would absolutely sacrifice Joker to save EDI.

These are the points that she...and you...seem to forget for some reason.

EDi isn't a mind reader and the Geth/Quarian conflict isn't very cut and dry. It comes down to whose extinction you can live with, you picked a Synthetic race and EDi is upset about that. 

 

[BonFire5]

Raddx Fusion wrote...

In regards to the way your Shepard would normally behave? Not including the ending of course.

I loved ME3 but for me it has to be when you talk to Joker after the mission on Thessia. He cracks a small joke and the only option for Shepard is to scald him for it. I find this to be very annoying as there is no way of casually agreeing with him or even joke back, I get the reason for it story-wise but it is completely out of character for my Shep to lash out and it somewhat disassociates me as the player from Shepard.

How about you guys?

I made a topic about that some time ago, it is out of place for my Shep. Something else that was sort of out of place was how quickly he turned against that Spectre in Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Been a couple weeks, I can't remember a few right now.

[l7986]

Well if we're delving into ME 2 dialogue. When Tali says "Sorry we're late" after returning from the Alarei, it just makes me want to puke.
Then every Jacob line. Never thought they could make someone so dam mediocre. Even his loyalty mission, just meh. They could have removed him from the game, and used the free space to make some new clothing options, and I doubt the story would be affected much.

Modifié par l7986, 11 novembre 2012 - 09:21 .

[CDR David Shepard]

Eterna5 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kanaris wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 

Thanks, and huh, interesting. EDI being a bit of a b*tch. Though it's interesting to note how her arguments can be easily used on the opposite side of things.

I don't see how she's being a ****. She upset and hurt because she knows her commander would sacrifice her in a instant if it cae to a choice between her and an organic crewmember.

I mean, how would you feel? You co pilot the ship, you mantain the ship, you even risk yourself to fight for someone only to find out they would kill you no problem. 

See...this is part of the reason why it pisses me off.

She...just like you are now...assumes that Shepard simply picked organics over sythetics...when that wasn't the case at all.

She...and you...assume that Shepard would kill her in an instant if it came to a choice between her and an organic crewmember.

That fact is...if Joker allied himself with the Reapers...and then I rewrote his data so that he would no longer be under their control...and then he again allied himself with the Reapers...I would absolutely sacrifice Joker to save EDI.

These are the points that she...and you...seem to forget for some reason.

EDi isn't a mind reader and the Geth/Quarian conflict isn't very cut and dry. It comes down to whose extinction you can live with, you picked a Synthetic race and EDi is upset about that. 

 

Yes...but the point of this thread is about dialog that is completely out of place.

It is in my opinion...that EDI saying that is completely out of place. EDI has never been and never should be that illogical. What she assumes is completely illogical.

She illogically equates all synthetics as one in the same...assuming that since Shepard choose the Quarians over the Geth that it would be a close minded choice between her and an organic....just because she is synthetic.

Yet...she's been helping us to eliminate a synthetic race (the Reapers) ever since ME2.

Fact is...it's completely out of place for her to be like that. It's one thing to be upset about Legion...it's another thing for her to completely simplify the reason behind Shepards decision.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 11 novembre 2012 - 09:25 .

[Nightwriter]

Oh and you know what -- it's been a long time, but I remember how much I winced when Shepard said "I'll find some way to take him down" to Anderson, in the medbay, after waking up there in ME1. Just the delivery -- lot of melodrama in that conversation. Also a lot of jumping to conclusions very quickly. Yowza.

"He took that beacon for reasons we don't yet know! He must want to wipe out humanity! EVERY PLANET WE HAVE IS IN DANGER!"

*dramatically* "I'll find some way to take him down."

[Eterna]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Kanaris wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch 

Thanks, and huh, interesting. EDI being a bit of a b*tch. Though it's interesting to note how her arguments can be easily used on the opposite side of things.

I don't see how she's being a ****. She upset and hurt because she knows her commander would sacrifice her in a instant if it cae to a choice between her and an organic crewmember.

I mean, how would you feel? You co pilot the ship, you mantain the ship, you even risk yourself to fight for someone only to find out they would kill you no problem. 

See...this is part of the reason why it pisses me off.

She...just like you are now...assumes that Shepard simply picked organics over sythetics...when that wasn't the case at all.

She...and you...assume that Shepard would kill her in an instant if it came to a choice between her and an organic crewmember.

That fact is...if Joker allied himself with the Reapers...and then I rewrote his data so that he would no longer be under their control...and then he again allied himself with the Reapers...I would absolutely sacrifice Joker to save EDI.

These are the points that she...and you...seem to forget for some reason.

EDi isn't a mind reader and the Geth/Quarian conflict isn't very cut and dry. It comes down to whose extinction you can live with, you picked a Synthetic race and EDi is upset about that. 

 

Yes...but the point of this thread is about dialog that is completely out of place.

It is in my opinion...that EDI saying that is completely out of place. EDI has never been and never should be that illogical. What she assumes is completely illogical.

She illogically equates all synthetics as one in the same...assuming that since Shepard choose the Quarians over the Geth that it would be a close minded choice between her and an organic....just because she is synthetic.

Yet...she's been helping us to eliminate a synthetic race (the Reapers) ever since ME2.

Fact is...it's completely out of place for her to be like that.

It's part of her character development, she is irrational due to her growing sense of hummanity and emotion. Frankly, it would be more out of place if she said nothing.