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[AppealToReason]

I'm glad I'm not friends with any of you fun suckers. Couldn't imagine trying to chill with someone so negative

[Orian Tabris]

AppealToReason wrote...

I'm glad I'm not friends with any of you fun suckers. Couldn't imagine trying to chill with someone so negative

ATR, you do realise these people embody what the BSN is don't you?

Everyone's a critic, and with the BSN, the fans are so passionate about BioWare games, they just can't control themselves. I can't control myself either, but for me, it's because of me being who I am, not because I'm passionate about BW games, per se.

As I said, everyone's a critic, and most people (some of which are on that first page) are, as you say, "fun suckers," but let them be. Some people can't help but let hate misguide them, it's human nature hence wars and battles being all over the history of the human race.

[Icinix]

Pretty good hope I would have thought.

A lot of issues from DA2 could have been resolved with time alone - DA3 already has that - indications and early art seem to ink towards a less toony art style as well ( which just makes me swoon if that was the case - did not like DA2 art style much).

...I think we're leaning to a positive outlook here..

[Mr. Parker]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
Maybe the times are changing too fast for some of us. Maybe Origins fans aren't welcomed in the new age of BioWare. What hope do you have?    

I have no hope.

Not with their current vision.

I dislike how they present their story and character. Too much railroading plots and illusion of choices with no benefit to alter the course of story. They want to tell their story while I want to change their story to create my own with my own character. In the past it wasn't much of an issue due to support for toolset and less invasion on player and character agency. But as the time past, BioWare see the need to take control over PC in order to tell a better story. Hence we see autodialogue, 3 restricted personality system, paraphrase, restricted voice tone, smart@ass movie protagonist who never act, emote, behave  and response properly, etc..   This intrusion has becoming more and more apparent with each games. And I do not appreciate it all. 

I think there is some truth in your comment. Bioware games have never been sandbox, but certainly in the past they did a good job of giving you the illusion of choice where, even if you couldn't diverge from the main story, you could feel as though you were influencing it and all the side quests. These days it seems as though Bioware want to be more cinematic and tell the story they've written in game stroke movie format while offering the player the choice of sometimes picking a good response or a bad response.

You could argue that most people simply went good or bad before then anyway, but if you strip something away until it's nothing but a bare bones yes or no choice, then eventually you end up with something that has no depth or soul and continually reminds the person they are playing an artificial construct instead of losing themselves in the story. If you're going to keep going down this road, then eventually you reach the point where it's questionable if there's any point in giving people two choices instead of forcing one upon them. That's kind what I think Bioware really want to do but perhaps can't for various reasons or another.

It's Bioware's choice and as it's their property they can do whatever they want with it, and that's cool. We'll have to wait and see what DA3 turns out to be like as there's so little information and we're all just speculating, but my gut feeling tells me that if you want Origins style instead of something in the vein of DA2, then you'll probably have to look elsewhere on release.

[Navasha]

All I can say here is that there is hope. One thing I have learned in life so far is that happiness is as simple as a mathematical formula.

Happiness = Reality - Expectations

My example. I loved The Elder Scrolls series with a passion since Arena. I loved every game that came out more with the release of Daggerfall and Morrowind. My expectations for Oblivion were skyhigh when it was in development. I ended up so disappointed by the reality of what we got when it was released that I only played a couple weeks and never played it since.

When Skyrim went into development, I watched with trepidation. My expectations of it were much lower, or you could even say "normal". When it was released, after just a few tweaks, it turned into a game I like very much.

The same scenario will likely be true for DA3. It will likely be a much better game for me than DA2, simply because my expectations have been changed or reset might be a better word. I don't actually think they will ever make another game that rivals DA:O in the series. Just being able to choose your own race was a huge advantage to making the game feel your own. I don't think they will ever drop having a voiced protagonist, and I don't think they are gonna put the resources to having the multiple voices and lines required to giving people a choice ever again.

[Giant ambush beetle]

The failure of DA2 and the huge success of DAO gives me hope.

[Liamv2]

I will just see what bioware makes and decide if i like it once iv played it

[rojado]

I won't like another human protagonist. I want real origin stories for all races!
That's what I loved most about Origins. To shape the world with just choosing an Origin and playing it differently is what makes me come back to Origin for the 8th time, Dragon age 2 does not have the same replay value because everyone reacted(mostly) the same whatever you did or said.

[chuckwells62]

I wholeheartedly agree that the devs personal preferences skew closer to DA2 rather than Origins, so there's really no way to get around that kind of 800 lb gorilla. Fans of the former must move along, like it or lump it. The real problem with how Bioware sells this type of conceit is that DA:O established a specific vibe with their fanbase that runs contrary with what they wanna do.

I didn't hate DA2, liked it in fact. However, I still want more action and adventure with the Grey Wardens. I still want to delve into some of the lore and stuff they've teased us about or left dangling out there unfinished (no need to list this stuff; there's hundred of other threads that already do that). I feel that they are free to craft their games however they so choose, but discarding that other stuff was wrong.

They could have put their fictional house in order - even as they proceeded to "do" something else.

Modifié par chuckwells62, 11 novembre 2012 - 01:24 .

[Darth Death]

Orian Tabris wrote...

AppealToReason wrote...

I'm glad I'm not friends with any of you fun suckers. Couldn't imagine trying to chill with someone so negative

ATR, you do realise these people embody what the BSN is don't you?

Everyone's a critic, and with the BSN, the fans are so passionate about BioWare games, they just can't control themselves. I can't control myself either, but for me, it's because of me being who I am, not because I'm passionate about BW games, per se.

As I said, everyone's a critic, and most people (some of which are on that first page) are, as you say, "fun suckers," but let them be. Some people can't help but let hate misguide them, it's human nature hence wars and battles being all over the history of the human race.

No one here is misguided by hate if that's what you meant. Both of you seem complacent with the current BioWare & I'm glad you feel that way, but please take into consideration not everyone should (or are) content with BioWare's recent direction. That shouldn't suggest those people are "fun suckers", haters; or what have you. It's similar to what Orian Tabris said somewhat, people are passionate about BioWare (for better or for worse); but truly in the end they still care & want BioWare to succeed. Some of us lost hope, but even then they still care, somewhere.     

Modifié par Darth Death, 12 novembre 2012 - 02:51 .

[Felya87]

I still mourn the money loss that was DA2.
not because of the game itself, if there wasn't that "2" in the title, could be seen as a cute spin off. But that simple number has made me rage for a lot of time (and even now that I think about it)-

I still have to see what has being taken back from DA:O in DA3. for now, nothing.
But even with a return for other things to Originis, with the forced human character, I would not be able to play DA3. the monkey in my head would scream, like it had for all DA2, "that's not your character!!!". I can't help myself, in a fantasy setting, I like fantasy character.

Hope for the future? yes, but not much from Bioware. And that make me very sad, because I loved theyr games. BG2 was my first GDR, than came NWN 1 and 2, Kotor, ME, DA:O...

Some have race selection, some no. only the one who wheren't in a fantasy setting didin't have them. so is not only a case of leaving Origins, but a lot of their past works too.

I don't like the way Bioware have taken. Maybe is right for them. is not right for a lot of their fans. very sad. because a lot of Origins fans, hoped really for a return in DA3 of what Origins made great. Create a character, choosing his/her personality without any kind of constreints, be those of allignement of creepy change of voice, having races and origins that really give you a different point of view in the story...
Choosing instead mostly features of DA2, feels like a betrayal.

so, to return at the question...no. very little hope. even comatose hope, I have to say.

Modifié par Felya87, 11 novembre 2012 - 04:02 .

[Kangaxx628]

Hope? As mentioned previously in the thread, that depends on your expectations. Give the economics of console vs PC and the interface restrictions the console brings with it, I am afraid that some if not most of the stream lining around inventory and crafting are here to stay. Clearly,(though I may regret saying this) wave combat as implemented in DA2 is gone, as is the reuse of levels. I hope for the return of the overhead camera, and better described loot. Why is the +4% mana ring I picked up in Act III so much better than the +4%mana ring I picked up in Act I? Unfortunately, I am afraid that the hard defining of classes is also here to stay(glass cannon mages, no dual wielding or archery warriors). I hope I am wrong in that regard.

[Spankoman]

Darth Death wrote...

DA3 may disappoint only time will tell, but what hope do we have at this point in time? This question are for those who were displeased by DA2, but loved Origins. Without hope, waiting & anticipation seems pointless.

I guess this thread is meant to build upon hope by those who understand disappointment & therefore share similar experiences, ultimately encouraging one another to lead to hope. I'd strongly put my hope in BioWare in the past like many others. I feel robbed & empty after DA2 & ME3 as an end result. I want BioWare to succeed despite feeling conflicted of their posthumous indigence surrounding quality.

Maybe the times are changing too fast for some of us. Maybe Origins fans aren't welcomed in the new age of BioWare. What hope do you have?     

What an absurdly overdramatic post.

[Androme]

 I am almost certain it will be better then DA2. But it won't ever be as good as DAO, and I also fear that BioWare will not even bother to properly close certain plot threads (Morrigan/Flemeth, Architect, etc. . .)

[Ulicus]

At the risk of sounding rather simple... I hope the protagonist gets to slay a giant snake:



...

What?

[legbamel]

Spankoman wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
DA3 may disappoint only time will tell, but what hope do we have at this point in time? This question are for those who were displeased by DA2, but loved Origins. Without hope, waiting & anticipation seems pointless.

I guess this thread is meant to build upon hope by those who understand disappointment & therefore share similar experiences, ultimately encouraging one another to lead to hope. I'd strongly put my hope in BioWare in the past like many others. I feel robbed & empty after DA2 & ME3 as an end result. I want BioWare to succeed despite feeling conflicted of their posthumous indigence surrounding quality.

Maybe the times are changing too fast for some of us. Maybe Origins fans aren't welcomed in the new age of BioWare. What hope do you have?     

What an absurdly overdramatic post.

Well, BioWare does love their melodrama so their fans must, too, right?    From what I've read here it sounds like they're doing pretty much what I wanted: find a middle road between Origins and DA2.  Faster combat without the ridiculous paratroopers, customizable companions with iconic looks, a human protagonist that still lets me have some say over her background?  Yup, those seem like reasonable compromises to me.

Will DA:I be great?  Pft, I dunno.  But I certainly do have hope.

[Zeleen]

I have hope that they (devs) will look at what may be considered "the best" of DA:O and DA2 and incorporate it somehow into DA3 -
I have hope that even tho they (devs) are going with multi-player (in some sort of aspect) that it will not affect single player game what-so-ever.
I have hope that by the time the game is fully developed and more information is given - the fans will all have hope of a wonderful, exciting, and challenging game experience.

Modifié par Zeleen, 11 novembre 2012 - 05:00 .

[Sejborg]

- That's the beauty of music. They can't get that from you... Haven't you ever felt that way about music? 

- I played a mean harmonica as a younger man. Lost interest in it though. Didn't make much sense here on BSN. 

- Here's where it makes the most sense. You need it so you don't forget. 

- Forget? 

- Forget that... there are places in this world that aren't made out of stone. That there's something inside... that they can't get to, that they can't touch. That's yours. 

- What're you talking about? 

- Hope. 

- Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane. 

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Sejborg, 11 novembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[jackofalltrades456]

I believe the whole "We're going to combine all the best features of Origins and mix them into Dragon Age 3." was just marketing bull. As it's been said in the thread, only Dragon age 2 features are getting confirmed right off the bat. When a feature of Origins is brought up they refuse to comment or just explain why they'll never bring it back.

Plus, Bioware has made this statement before with Dragon Age 2. They kept claiming that they were going to bring back the best features of Origins into the game and did the opposite.

Overall my faith in this game to deliver is extremely low.

Imports are just going to be there to explain why our choices didn't matter, why the PC's LI is no longer with them, or why that character returned even if this contradicts the player choice in the last game.

The gameplay is going to be better than Dragon age 2, but still be extremely mainstreamed.

They're going to continue with the moar cinematics! mentality.

Playable Origins and races have once again been cut.

I know I going to get the " but the game has barely been announced!", yet after the last three games I'm naturally a skeptic...

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 11 novembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[Welsh Inferno]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

I believe the whole "We're going to combine all the best features of Origins and mix them into Dragon Age 3." was just marketing bull. As it's been said in the thread, only Dragon age 2 features are getting confirmed right off the bat. When a feature of Origins is brought up they refuse to comment or just explain why they'll never bring it back.

Plus, Bioware has made this statement before with Dragon Age 2. They kept claiming that they were going to bring back the best features of Origins into the game and did the opposite.

Overall my faith in this game to deliver is extremely low.

Imports are just going to be there to explain why our choices didn't matter, why the PC's LI is no longer with them, or why that character returned even if this contradicts the player choice in the last game.

The gameplay is going to be better than Dragon age 2, but still be extremely mainstreamed.

They're going to continue with the moar cinematics! mentality.

Playable Origins and races have once again been cut.

I know I going to get the " but the game has barely been announced!", yet after the last three games I'm naturally a skeptic...

Don't disagree with any of that. The first paragraph is where the majority of my doubt is coming from at the moment too.

[PinkysPain]

I expect the combat to be reasonably enjoyable ... ME3 showed that they can reach a compromise I can live with in that respect. I know I'm going to hate the dialogue wheel, but I can survive that.

The only fear I have is a Grim Dark ... I want an antagonist and I want to soundly beat his or her ass like a boss. Heroic sacrifice is fine ... a reminder about the unfairness of the universe and ultimate futility of planning with an unsatisfying victory only being granted by chance if at all ... not so much. This would be the deal breaker for me.

[Spankoman]

legbamel wrote...

Spankoman wrote...

What an absurdly overdramatic post.

Well, BioWare does love their melodrama so their fans must, too, right?    From what I've read here it sounds like they're doing pretty much what I wanted: find a middle road between Origins and DA2.  Faster combat without the ridiculous paratroopers, customizable companions with iconic looks, a human protagonist that still lets me have some say over her background?  Yup, those seem like reasonable compromises to me.

Will DA:I be great?  Pft, I dunno.  But I certainly do have hope.

Yep. BioWare is trying to improve. That means trying new stuff each time. Some of it will work and some won't. IMO these guys have been making tremendously entertaining games since forever, so I personally have hope.

If (as the OP) your question is, will they keep making the same game over and over? - then no, there is no hope for you. That's what fanfics and mods are for.

[PsychoBlonde]

 I was gonna say, I really enjoyed Origins, so I'm a "fan".  I also really enjoyed DA2.  So I'm a "fan".

And I'm really, really excited for DA3.  Really really.