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[TheCinC]

Tecco wrote...

So players who is carrying you should be punished and forced to use missiles because you have joined a difficulty you cant handle?

No you watch them and watch good, how they play and learn from it.

If the entire team except one dies on four separate waves, then those other players are in over their heads, not working as a team, not reviving each other in time, not using missiles to prevent a sync kill, wasted their medigels early on or didn't have or use any, etc. etc.

So yeah, watch and learn.

[Infernal_Satan]

Creepter wrote...

Infernal_Satan wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

Infernal_Satan wrote...

Coalmine wrote...

Why would you want to punish the one guy who didn't mess up as bad as the WHOLE TEAM, and is currently fighting for your lives.  What about a system that auto-kicks players who bleed out / get executed three rounds in a row?

Selecting between the auto-kick and spectating for a long time? I would pick auto-kick.


It's a game, and you force everyone to wait while you enjoy showing off your skills? I have a better idea, why don't you play solo instead?

Do you realize how jealous you actually sound? You really think they just want to show off and that's it? Maybe that's how you feel when you're the Lone Survivor but you shouldn't generalize every single one. This topic seems to have been spawned by jealousy rather than principally annoyance.

That said; you died, deal with it. You have no right to complain and should be grateful if the guy pulls it off, if he doesn't then you can possibly complain, provided they didn't use their consumables. Why on earth do I want to use my consumables when I can take something down how I like to. It's freedom. They are 'rewarded' that freedom when they're alone, they're allowed to do it however they like. Granted, when I'm alone and notice something is taking too long I rocket, but sometimes I don't because I just do not want to or the people kept bleeding out. 

Why on earth should the sole survivor be given even more pressure just because everyone died and you want him to hurry up? To be frank, to turn it back on you and away from the survivor, that's ultimately selfish. Especially if said survivor kept reviving and trying to revive fallen teammates. 

P.S. Counter Strike is CS, this isn't CS. It's completely different and shouldn't be compared.

Oh, so it's my jealousy and fault when the other 2 players also ask edthe guy to finish the wave faster, but he just runs around with a weak weapon against 2 or 3 bosses.

Yes, everything in this topic boils down to you being a jealous jerk.
Maybe the last guy standing doesn't have any rockets, or is playing a support class? Maybe he didn't bring the most powerful weapons because he expect his teammates to actually be good at the game and not die instantly and whine like children?

Please read carefully. I said in the first post "The time limit does not apply to him if he doesn't have any more cobras"

[GromKosh]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

I can see a lot of players talk about "skills, playstyle" instead of "teamwork". Seems that I had overrated the importance of teamwork in this game.

Team work is highly missing in most pugs, out of like 20 pugs yesterday only 3 of those games had people actually talking. The lone sruvivor "problem" can be fixed most times by communicating with each other.  

Tl:dr more pugs need to talk.

[Creepter]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

Creepter wrote...

Infernal_Satan wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

Infernal_Satan wrote...

Coalmine wrote...

Why would you want to punish the one guy who didn't mess up as bad as the WHOLE TEAM, and is currently fighting for your lives.  What about a system that auto-kicks players who bleed out / get executed three rounds in a row?

Selecting between the auto-kick and spectating for a long time? I would pick auto-kick.


It's a game, and you force everyone to wait while you enjoy showing off your skills? I have a better idea, why don't you play solo instead?

Do you realize how jealous you actually sound? You really think they just want to show off and that's it? Maybe that's how you feel when you're the Lone Survivor but you shouldn't generalize every single one. This topic seems to have been spawned by jealousy rather than principally annoyance.

That said; you died, deal with it. You have no right to complain and should be grateful if the guy pulls it off, if he doesn't then you can possibly complain, provided they didn't use their consumables. Why on earth do I want to use my consumables when I can take something down how I like to. It's freedom. They are 'rewarded' that freedom when they're alone, they're allowed to do it however they like. Granted, when I'm alone and notice something is taking too long I rocket, but sometimes I don't because I just do not want to or the people kept bleeding out. 

Why on earth should the sole survivor be given even more pressure just because everyone died and you want him to hurry up? To be frank, to turn it back on you and away from the survivor, that's ultimately selfish. Especially if said survivor kept reviving and trying to revive fallen teammates. 

P.S. Counter Strike is CS, this isn't CS. It's completely different and shouldn't be compared.

Oh, so it's my jealousy and fault when the other 2 players also ask edthe guy to finish the wave faster, but he just runs around with a weak weapon against 2 or 3 bosses.

Yes, everything in this topic boils down to you being a jealous jerk.
Maybe the last guy standing doesn't have any rockets, or is playing a support class? Maybe he didn't bring the most powerful weapons because he expect his teammates to actually be good at the game and not die instantly and whine like children?

Please read carefully. I said in the first post "The time limit does not apply to him if he doesn't have any more cobras"

Yeah, because that's not pointless pressure.
Please play carefully.

[Leland Gaunt]

OP, why are you angry about a player clutching a wave when the rest of the team (including you) went down for some reason? You should be angry about yourself for dying and not being able to help. And you are mad about that player not using a rocket? Why did you go down in the first place? I'm guessing because of a not-used rocket or a not-used gel (which is the case in like 90% of the time) because someone (probably you) was too stingy with his precious consumables.
Then you want the last guy surviving to use his stuff to speed up the process of helping the dead (read: useless) teammates, when there most probably is no rocket needed.
If he would use a rocket or two I'm guessing you'd be the first person to get angry at him for not having rockets anymore when there really is a rocket needed. Think about it: YOU'RE wasting the time of the one clutching the waves because you made it unnecessary hard, because YOU died. Then you expect the one to use his consumables to help your sorry butt out and get angry when the one doesn't do so? Yeah, right.

Sorry OP, but you sound jealous of the one "fighting bosses with crappy weapons for 15 min." while you are out, nothing more.

Modifié par Leland Gaunt, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[graywolfpvw]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

graywolfpvw wrote...

So we should punish the one that survived and reward the ones that die.
Pretty sure that happens at the end with shared XP and credits.

Dying alot? Change playstyle, use mic, follow others, watch videos, read forums, etc.

You have time to play but not for too long? You know because you have a job/wife/kids/etc
Then set aside time to play and enjoy that time even if you have to quit because someone is "taking too long" to win the match for you

I could go on...

Either "punish" the sole survivor by wasting their refillable consumable or "punish" the other 3 players by wasiting their unrecoverable time.

No.  They died.  Does not matter how.  They lost  their ability to determine the outcome of the round.
Not going to change how I play because of three others.'
And when I am one of the ones that die and someone clutches that round I will say "Thanks"  and "Good Job"  no matter how long it took.  Because they did what I could not.
And as a sometime sole survivor:  My time is being wasted since I have to solo 1-4 rounds. 

I have more than one account and only have 2 medi-gels on that acc.  Guess what I play with that acc?  Bronze

[Infernal_Satan]

TheCinC wrote...

Tecco wrote...

So players who is carrying you should be punished and forced to use missiles because you have joined a difficulty you cant handle?

No you watch them and watch good, how they play and learn from it.

If the entire team except one dies on four separate waves, then those other players are in over their heads, not working as a team, not reviving each other in time, not using missiles to prevent a sync kill, wasted their medigels early on or didn't have or use any, etc. etc.

So yeah, watch and learn.

Sometimes you have lousy teammates, but you still need to carry on and do your best to keep your team tight. 

However, watching the sole survivor dance around for 15 mins helps nothing. Why? Because most of the enemies were killed before the 3 players die, so the sole survivor can run in circles kiting the last few enemies without anything slowing him down. 

So the 3 players died for the team and have to waste another 15 minutes?

[Ramsutin]

OP is a troll and this thread should get locked for the sake of sanity.

[NathS]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

I can see a lot of players talk about "skills, playstyle" instead of "teamwork". Seems that I had overrated the importance of teamwork in this game.

You want more teamwork ? Well manage to stay more alive

And stop whining about your unrecoverable time being wasted because it's your own goddamned fault for both being dead AND staying in the match.

[Infernal_Satan]

GromKosh wrote...

Infernal_Satan wrote...

I can see a lot of players talk about "skills, playstyle" instead of "teamwork". Seems that I had overrated the importance of teamwork in this game.

Team work is highly missing in most pugs, out of like 20 pugs yesterday only 3 of those games had people actually talking. The lone sruvivor "problem" can be fixed most times by communicating with each other.  

Tl:dr more pugs need to talk.

That's another issue. You should start a new thread because people won't read it here

[Jay Leon Hart]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

Orow wrote...

Every once in a while, **** happens in my game with friends, and one of us is left to finish a wave. If this is taking a bit long and I'm not the one doing the work, you know what I do?
I alt tab. I know. It's insane the things you can do with a computer now. I go and browse forums, check twitter, hell, if it would take 15 minutes, I'd play a game of minesweeper if I feel like it. I'll hear it on voicechat when we're starting the next wave.
Oh the wonders of the world if you use a bit of common sense & logic.

Sure if you have a PC version, but that's not always the case.

Well, I have the Xbox version but it's at the same desk as my PC, so I can just watch an episode of something on my other monitor - I can still keep an eye on the game. Even if it wasn't? Smart phones WOO! 

[TheCinC]

GromKosh wrote...

Infernal_Satan wrote...

I can see a lot of players talk about "skills, playstyle" instead of "teamwork". Seems that I had overrated the importance of teamwork in this game.

Team work is highly missing in most pugs, out of like 20 pugs yesterday only 3 of those games had people actually talking. The lone sruvivor "problem" can be fixed most times by communicating with each other.  

Tl:dr more pugs need to talk.

Even without voice chat you can work together. See a teammate being grabbed by a banshee? Either shoot the hell out of that banshee so she drops the teammate or fire a missile. Teammate down? Revive. Objective? Move to it or protect the player best suited to cap the objective (infi with duration cloak if available) and try to draw off enemies. Are you a volus of Geth engineer? Reinforce your teammates shields as often as you can. Adept? Spam powers to soften up enemies, use BE wherever possible. Don't mess with an enemy your teammate is taking care of, take out the one sneaking up on him.

Most often it is just common sense. But there are players who ignore objectives or try to cap them even as I am already working on them, instead of take out out the enemy sneaking up on us both. Or players who just try to KILL ALL THE THINGS even those targets that are one second away from dying due to a power that does DOT or the target a vanguard is charging just to restore shields/barriers as they are otherwise about to die.

[Aetika]

Infernal_Satan wrote...
Please read carefully. I said in the first post "The time limit does not apply to him if he doesn't have any more cobras"

But what if he uses his last rocket just to speed things up and you fail next wave because you have no rockets when you really need them?....

[ImTheOx]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

I believe no player would like to watch the sole survivor dance around with a gun for 15 mins and refuse to use cobra against several bosses when everyone is dead in a wave.  And when this happens for 4 waves, that's one hour completely wasted

Adding a limit of 5 min is good enough (extra 5 min if there are objectives to complete).

Of course, this shouldn't apply to the survivor who doesn't have hydras anymore.

Get the hell out of that game then XD

Someone is rapeing his fingers and nerves by taking 15min of his time to kill all the remaning enemies, while you drink coco in front of the screen, and this is how you repay them, by adding a 5min time limit.

i am speechless!

Modifié par ImTheOx, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:14 .

[Jay Leon Hart]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

Thane64 wrote...

 As someone who has both been the last man standing AND watching the last man/woman standing I have no problem with having no time limit.

If your last man standing your already under a lot of pressure with everyone watching you and knowing that one mistake could end the match. So a timer would add pressure and make you cause more mistakes.

And if your watching someone else, watch how they play and learn from it maybe?

Have you ever played Counter Strike in hostage rescue mode or bomb planting/defusing? They have a time limit too.

But I have never heard anyone complaining about it. 

This isn't Counter Strike - what if they lowered the time limit in a Counter Strike match to 2 minutes? Are you sure no-one would comlain?

[Iarethejub]

This has to be op trolling. I dont think he can be enough of an a** hat to complain that people are completing waves after he dies, or that he can seriously say that the only reason people do better than him is because hes killing enemies that they dont know about. Op, if you are serious, you are a sad person.

[ChurchOfZod]

Flaming Snake wrote...

If it is happening for 4 waves, and 15 minutes each time, then the team is at fault, not the player. Next time, play smart and don't get yourself killed.

I played a match today where I had to solo almost every wave. And I don't mean the last 4 enemies. The bums on my team got smoked in the first 3 minutes of every wave. At wave 9 I decided not to gel just because I was sick of them getting rewarded for my efforts. If anything I'd like to see the game auto kick if you die within a certain time of the start of each wave.

[GromKosh]

TheCinC wrote...

GromKosh wrote...

Infernal_Satan wrote...

I can see a lot of players talk about "skills, playstyle" instead of "teamwork". Seems that I had overrated the importance of teamwork in this game.

Team work is highly missing in most pugs, out of like 20 pugs yesterday only 3 of those games had people actually talking. The lone sruvivor "problem" can be fixed most times by communicating with each other.  

Tl:dr more pugs need to talk.

Even without voice chat you can work together. See a teammate being grabbed by a banshee? Either shoot the hell out of that banshee so she drops the teammate or fire a missile. Teammate down? Revive. Objective? Move to it or protect the player best suited to cap the objective (infi with duration cloak if available) and try to draw off enemies. Are you a volus of Geth engineer? Reinforce your teammates shields as often as you can. Adept? Spam powers to soften up enemies, use BE wherever possible. Don't mess with an enemy your teammate is taking care of, take out the one sneaking up on him.

Most often it is just common sense. But there are players who ignore objectives or try to cap them even as I am already working on them, instead of take out out the enemy sneaking up on us both. Or players who just try to KILL ALL THE THINGS even those targets that are one second away from dying due to a power that does DOT or the target a vanguard is charging just to restore shields/barriers as they are otherwise about to die.

apprently i didn't add enough sarcasm, i was acting stupid in a nonsensical thread. My bad yo 
 

[Jay Leon Hart]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

graywolfpvw wrote...

So we should punish the one that survived and reward the ones that die.
Pretty sure that happens at the end with shared XP and credits.

Dying alot? Change playstyle, use mic, follow others, watch videos, read forums, etc.

You have time to play but not for too long? You know because you have a job/wife/kids/etc
Then set aside time to play and enjoy that time even if you have to quit because someone is "taking too long" to win the match for you

I could go on...

Either "punish" the sole survivor by wasting their refillable consumable or "punish" the other 3 players by wasiting their unrecoverable time.

You're punishing yourself by dying too often

[Infernal_Satan]

And do you know why I encourage such mechanisms?

A lot of sole survivors think they are good, shooting around for 15 minutes, and guess what? He got killed by the last enemy.

Other players started asking if he didn't have cobras at all. It turns out he had them. Then my headphone will be flooded with curses, He just wasted 15 minutes of everyone's time turning the wave into a failure, and everyone was furious

Even the best player can make mistakes. By forcing them to use cobra to finish the wave quicker, the chance of that happening can actually be lowered.

[Arppis]

I thought this was about last enemy troop.

If this is the case, why you suck so much that you die and let someone else do work for you? :3

Play better and you don't have to watch others play.

Modifié par Arppis, 11 novembre 2012 - 12:18 .

[GromKosh]

Arppis wrote...

I thought this was about last enemy troop.

If this is the case, why you suck so much that you die and let someone else do work for you? :3

This ^

[Jay Leon Hart]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

I can see a lot of players talk about "skills, playstyle" instead of "teamwork". Seems that I had overrated the importance of teamwork in this game.

Well, if all but 1 player is down, I'd say that shows a severe lack of teamwork on the the part of the deceased...

[IanLai]

survivor don't use cobra missile because they know they need to hold the missile for the important moment . and he doesn't know whether his team will use it or die again. they also doesn't know their team will use their own med gel .
if u think people wasting your time , then don't die or even don't play a game
playing game is wasting your life

[Ramsutin]

Infernal_Satan wrote...

And do you know why I encourage such mechanisms?

A lot of sole survivors think they are good, shooting around for 15 minutes, and guess what? He got killed by the last enemy.

Other players started asking if he didn't have cobras at all. It turns out he had them. Then my headphone will be flooded with curses, He just wasted 15 minutes of everyone's time turning the wave into a failure, and everyone was furious

Even the best player can make mistakes. By forcing them to use cobra to finish the wave quicker, the chance of that happening can actually be lowered.

Then why didn't you use missile, ops and gel to kill the guys that killed you?
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