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[Sejborg]

Just wondering... 

[Naughty Bear]

What about a brood mother golem eh? Eh? EH?!

[Reznore57]

I guess to make a golem , you'd need a "soul".
Not sure darkspawn have that.
Some tainted creature (Corypheus , Archdemon ) can possess another tainted body , don't know if it would work with tainted objects.

[MichaelStuart]

I see no reason why they couldn't

[Sejborg]

If the soul is necessary, then what about a Grey Warden? Would the Grey Warden soul become corrupted by the taint, or could a Grey Warden avoid the calling by becoming a golem?

Has this been tried?

[Sejborg]

Just seems like a waste to have a soul go to waste with the calling, when it could just as well be transformed into a golem. Haven't any of the Grey Wardens ever considered this?

[Auintus]

The soul is what makes a golem live. Riordan clarifies that the reason Grey Wardens can slay the archdemon is because they have souls while darkspawn don't. Thus conflict for the Old God's soul, blah blah blah. So I don't think a darkspawn can be made into a golem, maybe the "awakened" ones can, though.

[Sejborg]

Auintus wrote...

The soul is what makes a golem live. Riordan clarifies that the reason Grey Wardens can slay the archdemon is because they have souls while darkspawn don't. Thus conflict for the Old God's soul, blah blah blah. So I don't think a darkspawn can be made into a golem, maybe the "awakened" ones can, though.

Makes sense. But what about a Grey Warden then? What would happen if a Grey Warden was turned into a golem? Would it remain as a normal thinking Golem, or would it also succumb to the taint, and become a Golem Darkspawn?

[Annihilator27]

Would be awesome to see the Golems return.

[PsychoBlonde]

Congratulations on your amazing stump the devs question. Well done.

Anyway, I don't know--they haven't revealed enough about the golem-making process. Is the person's body destroyed and only the soul left, or does their body merge with the lyrium and rock somehow? If only the soul is left I'd suspect becoming a golem would be an effective "cure" for the taint--the corruption is tied to the blood.

The Profane in DA2 seem almost like a naturally-occurring golem; a spirit inhabiting a shell of stone. They "feed" off lyrium. So it would seem like lyrium grants spirits the ability to manipulate matter--which is what a mage is doing when they cast spells. Blood has much the same effect. Lyrium may *be* a kind of blood--the blood of the Stone.

So it might be possible for a golem to take on the darkspawn taint--through the lyrium that serves as their blood. It might be possible for the darkspawn corruption to taint lyrium. It's certainly possible to have tainted lyrium--the lyrium idol was proof of that--but it may be that the lyrium is sufficiently different from blood that it can only be altered by lyrium-natured creatures (like the profane) and not by blood-tied creatures (darkspawn).

We'll see.

[Mark of the Dragon]

Auintus wrote...

The soul is what makes a golem live. Riordan clarifies that the reason Grey Wardens can slay the archdemon is because they have souls while darkspawn don't. Thus conflict for the Old God's soul, blah blah blah. So I don't think a darkspawn can be made into a golem, maybe the "awakened" ones can, though.

But how would Riordan really know if darkspawn have a soul? You cant really test that kind of thing.

[PsychoBlonde]

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

But how would Riordan really know if darkspawn have a soul? You cant really test that kind of thing.

For all you know, they CAN.

[Genshie]

Auintus wrote...

The soul is what makes a golem live. Riordan clarifies that the reason Grey Wardens can slay the archdemon is because they have souls while darkspawn don't. Thus conflict for the Old God's soul, blah blah blah. So I don't think a darkspawn can be made into a golem, maybe the "awakened" ones can, though.

I was just going to post about the Architect and a couple other Awakened Darkspawn/higher like beings who probably do have a soul. Seeing that pretty much anything can become darkspawn including elves (play Dalish origin) and dwarves (broodmothers) I don't see why there can't be special cases for things to become golems. If any dwarf can become a golem why can't any other being? What makes dwarves special that they can be the only ones turned into golems. (It wasn't ever really explained if this is the case)

Modifié par Genshie, 11 novembre 2012 - 09:53 .

[BlueMagitek]

I actually had this question back when I was playing DA:O. Yeah, we can't keep sacrificing Dwarves to the Anvil... but we have an endless supply of Darkspawn, and as long as the Control Rod does not break, well.... =D

[Auintus]

Sejborg wrote...

Auintus wrote...

The soul is what makes a golem live. Riordan clarifies that the reason Grey Wardens can slay the archdemon is because they have souls while darkspawn don't. Thus conflict for the Old God's soul, blah blah blah. So I don't think a darkspawn can be made into a golem, maybe the "awakened" ones can, though.

Makes sense. But what about a Grey Warden then? What would happen if a Grey Warden was turned into a golem? Would it remain as a normal thinking Golem, or would it also succumb to the taint, and become a Golem Darkspawn?

I...huh, well. Stone and steel seem impervious to the taint. Weird stuff grows on it, but it isn't corrupted. It's hard to tell, but I think, if the mind of the warden remains, the taint would progress. So a golem would eventually side with the darkspawn. Let's not do that.

[Auintus]

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

But how would Riordan really know if darkspawn have a soul? You cant really test that kind of thing.

The diffence in reaction between the darkspawn and Grey Wardens. The archdemon soul follows the taint into whatever vessel in can find, takes up residence, and corrupts it into the next archdemon. They were able to sense that through the taint, apparently. But other darkspawn have no difficulty hosting the archdemon's soul, leading to the conclusion that they have none of their own.

[Auintus]

Genshie wrote...
I was just going to post about the Architect and a couple other Awakened Darkspawn/higher like beings who probably do have a soul. Seeing that pretty much anything can become darkspawn including elves (play Dalish origin) and dwarves (broodmothers) I don't see why there can't be special cases for things to become golems. If any dwarf can become a golem why can't any other being? What makes dwarves special that they can be the only ones turned into golems. (It wasn't ever really explained if this is the case)

Broodmothers are any female of any species, not just dwarves. Dwarven broodmothers yield genlocks, human broodmothers yield hurlocks, elven broodmothers yield Sharlocks(shrieks), and qunari broodmothers yield ogres, which is why their name doesn't match any of the others, because the Qunari did not come to the rest of Thedas until recently.
I don't believe it was ever said that only dwarves could be made into golems. I think anything with a sentient soul would suffice. If there is a difference, it would probably be the dwarves natural, though limited, resistance to lyrium, which is used to make golems.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

Auintus wrote...

The soul is what makes a golem live. Riordan clarifies that the reason Grey Wardens can slay the archdemon is because they have souls while darkspawn don't. Thus conflict for the Old God's soul, blah blah blah. So I don't think a darkspawn can be made into a golem, maybe the "awakened" ones can, though.

But how would Riordan really know if darkspawn have a soul? You cant really test that kind of thing.

What we do know is that is what Riordan believes.
Now, how much truth there is behind that...that is up in the air.

[Herr Uhl]

Sejborg wrote...

Just seems like a waste to have a soul go to waste with the calling, when it could just as well be transformed into a golem. Haven't any of the Grey Wardens ever considered this?

Guessing they tried and found that the golems became unruly due to the taint. If control rods don't work, they're worse than useless.

[Bernhardtbr]

And would be too irrational, thus any plan of making a golem companion with a darkspawn soul (if that was the OP´s idea) a bit exagerated.

[Androme]

 Darkspawn don't have souls (literally) so no, they can't become Golems, because the process requires a living soul.

Unless I've missed something big.

[Sejborg]

Well. Doing the calling just seems like an incredible waste. The Grey Warden goes into the Deep Roads with the intend of dieing. Why not take the soul of the grey warden when the time comes, and put it in a golem?

Whether or not the soul in the golem will still succumb to the taint or not, do not matter because of the control rod. Should the golem feel like killing everyone, then that is just too bad - it can't do it. It can only do what the wielder of the control rod demands.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

Auintus wrote...

The soul is what makes a golem live. Riordan clarifies that the reason Grey Wardens can slay the archdemon is because they have souls while darkspawn don't. Thus conflict for the Old God's soul, blah blah blah. So I don't think a darkspawn can be made into a golem, maybe the "awakened" ones can, though.

But how would Riordan really know if darkspawn have a soul? You cant really test that kind of thing.

Because when an Archdemon attempts to posses another Darkspawn, they don't obliterate eachother, while when it tries to posses a Grey Warden, who has a soul, they both destroy eachother. So from logical deduction, the Grey Wardens concluded that Darkspawn don't have souls. Granted there could also be another simpler explanation, but that wouldn't be as dramatic or fantastical.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sejborg wrote...

Well. Doing the calling just seems like an incredible waste. The Grey Warden goes into the Deep Roads with the intend of dieing. Why not take the soul of the grey warden when the time comes, and put it in a golem?

Whether or not the soul in the golem will still succumb to the taint or not, do not matter because of the control rod. Should the golem feel like killing everyone, then that is just too bad - it can't do it. It can only do what the wielder of the control rod demands.

THe art of creating Golems had been lost for hundreds of years, and for some playthroughs it still is, so there are no recent Grey Wardens who attempted it at least. And if the Taint is indeed an ailment of the soul aswell as the body, transfering your soul into a Golem, wouldn't save you from the inevitable insanity caused by the Taint.

[Wulfram]

"Does this Golem have a soul?"