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[Sifr]

MasterScribe wrote...

In the context of a video game, these semantic debates are pointless. The developers have decided to call the race "Qunari."

Until an international summit of anthropologists, historians, and sociologists (in-universe, of course) is held to determine an alternative and universally acceptable term for the Qunari, I imagine Qunari is here to stay.

I hardly want to tell them what to do and it's their right to name their races whatever they want. And yeah, you're right, it's really not important in the end. But we're got nearly a year to go, very little information and it's a confusing issue, so I doubt people are going to stop continuing to debate in these kinds of (annoying) threads.



If Inquisition simply lampshaded this issue and dropped it immediately, I'd be satisfied, even without an answer.

Cassandra: So... you're a Qunari?
Inquisitor: No.
Varric: Funny, you look like one to me.
Cassandra: You're a member of their race, are you not?
Inquisitor: Yes.
Varric: So, you're a Qunari.
Inquisitor: No. The Qun is a lie.
Varric: So what should we call you?
Inquisitor: Whatever you wish, it does not matter in the end, only our goal.

Modifié par Sifr1449, 01 janvier 2014 - 09:02 .

[Gorkanus]

Sifr1449 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

In the context of a video game, these semantic debates are pointless. The developers have decided to call the race "Qunari."

Until an international summit of anthropologists, historians, and sociologists (in-universe, of course) is held to determine an alternative and universally acceptable term for the Qunari, I imagine Qunari is here to stay.

I hardly want to tell them what to do and it's their right to name their races whatever they want. And yeah, you're right, it's really not important in the end. But we're got nearly a year to go, very little information and it's a confusing issue, so I doubt people are going to stop continuing to debate in these kinds of (annoying) threads.



If Inquisition simply lampshaded this issue and dropped it immediately, I'd be satisfied, even without an answer.

Cassandra: So... you're a Qunari?
Inquisitor: No.
Varric: Funny, you look like one to me.
Cassandra: You're a member of their race, are you not?
Inquisitor: Yes.
Varric: So, you're a Qunari.
Inquisitor: No. The Qun is a lie.
Varric: So what should we call you?
Inquisitor: Whatever you wish, it does not matter in the end, only our goal.

term Horny Qunari is pretty Weird.

[UC SIM]

[quote]MasterScribe wrote...

[quote]Sifr1449 wrote...

Until an international summit of anthropologists, historians, and sociologists (in-universe, of course) is held to determine an alternative and universally acceptable term for the Qunari, I imagine Qunari is here to stay.
[/quote]


SPOILERS!

You just gave away act 3... The Qunari Conudrum! I hope your proud of yourself 

[Nefla]

There was no confusion about what is and isn't a Qunari or what people are talking about when they say Qunari until people found "Kossith" in the world of Thedas and started spewing it around in the wrong way. If you talk to an average DA fan who has never been on the BSN and say something like "you can be a Qunari this time!" They are going to know exactly what you mean. "Kossith" is the term causing confusion, not Qunari.

Qunari who follow the Qun are the default. In game other peoples incorrectly use it as a blanket term for both those of the Qun: Qunari, and those who have defected: Tal'Vashoth. (an elf viddathari who defects? Is again an "elf")The only applicable names for the race are Qunari and Tal'Vashoth. I don't know why a whopping two whole words seems to be too much for people to remember.

[Kradus9]

Nefla wrote...

There was no confusion about what is and isn't a Qunari or what people are talking about when they say Qunari until people found "Kossith" in the world of Thedas and started spewing it around in the wrong way. If you talk to an average DA fan who has never been on the BSN and say something like "you can be a Qunari this time!" They are going to know exactly what you mean. "Kossith" is the term causing confusion, not Qunari.

Qunari who follow the Qun are the default. In game other peoples incorrectly use it as a blanket term for both those of the Qun: Qunari, and those who have defected: Tal'Vashoth. (an elf viddathari who defects? Is again an "elf")The only applicable names for the race are Qunari and Tal'Vashoth. I don't know why a whopping two whole words seems to be too much for people to remember.

Because those still aren't racial terms, but religious ones. People will use whatever is at hand, and the term kossith cannot be back tracked to elves, humans, and dwarves, who themselfs can be Qunari.
The word 'Qunari' still doesn't define the big horned humanoids alone, Tallis made that pretty clear. It's all of that that causes confusion, and so that particular race needs its own definition.
Untill David Gaider comes up with a different definition, this is it.

Modifié par Kradus9, 01 janvier 2014 - 04:09 .

[Spectre slayer]

Han Shot First

The devs have already said the fans shouldn't be using Kossith. The people who continue to insist on using it despite being warned that they aren't correct, are just being stubborn.

Calling a Qunari a Kossith is a bit like calling a modern day Frenchman a Gaul or a person from Spain an Iberian. It is an archaic term in the lore that isn't really applicable. The Qunari also don't call themselves Kossith.

The reason why some fans continue to insist on using Kossith is because they struggle with ethnoreligious terms. It isn't specific enough for them. Qunari is a bit like the term 'Jewish.' Jewish can mean a person who is of Jewish ethnic descent regardless of their religious beliefs, a member of the Jewish faith, or both. Likewise Qunari refers to both the race and the religion, and the context in which the word is used determines whether it is referring to adherents of the Qun, the horned Qunari race, or both.

This. Kossith was the name of the culture before the conversion to the Qun 300+ year's ago and not the race itself.

If you want to get into the specific terms to distinguish everything then they are as followed.

Qunari- People of the Qun. It's the race, religion and culture all in one and any race who follows the Qun is Qunari.

Kabethari- Simple person. Any other race that was newly conquered or have joined but haven't submitted to the Qun.

ViddathariAny other race that is apart of the Qun and has submitted to it.

Vashoth- Grey OnesAny Qunari( horned or hornless) who breaks or abandoned the Qun and hasn't become violent yet.

Tal'Vashoth- True Grey OnesAny Qunari( horned or hornless) who broke or abandoned the Qun and has become violent. 

Bas- Thing.

Sarrebas- A dangerous thing the Qunari word for mages.

Bas Sarrebas- Same as above but used for none Qunari mages.

Viddath-BasPerson turned into a mindless creature with Quamek.

Basalit-an.A non Qunari worthy of respect .

A Qunari born apart from the Qun with next to no knowledge on it or what Vashoth or Tal'Vashoth are will refer to themselves as Qunari according to Gaider and it's the racial identifier that DAI is using.

David Gaider
... If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari...

 

Mary Kirby
"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.

Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant. 

Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.

Still curious ... is it the word you internally use to refer to the race?

Mary Kirby 
No. We call them, "Qunari."

Oh, I understand why. But you don't need another term. That's what we've said-- repeatedly.
Someone says "well, what do you call them in your documents?" Qunari. "No, what do you call the horned people, the race?" Qunari. "And the followers of the Qun?" Qunari... or, alternatively, 'followers of the Qun'. "But what about the horned people who aren't followers of the Qun?" Tal'Vashoth. "All of them?" Yes. "But that's what they call themselves... what do we call them both as a group?" Qunari. "But that's confusing!" Err... no. No, it's really not. Not unless you're trying to be pedantic.
Which, clearly some people really are. So... whatever? 
David Gaider

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14893267/7

To anyone in Thedas who doesn’t know any better, they’re all Qunari. The culture and the religion are one and the same thing."But what about the followers of the Qun who aren’t big, horned people?"Properly, they’re viddathari. But since nobody would know what that means, you can call them “elven Qunari”, “human Qunari” or what have you.

They are, after all, exceptions to the rule."But what about big, horned people who aren’t followers of the Qun?"Properly, they’re Tal’Vashoth. Again, since few would know what that means, they’d just be called Qunari (to their annoyance, but they’re likely used to it)."But that’s confusing!"No, it’s really not. It’s about as confusing as “Jewish”, and insisting on “kossith” because it’s mentioned in a few codex entries makes about as much sense as insisting someone of

Jewish descent be referred to as either Ashke**** or Sephardim— as if that would be clearer for most people.Of course, when I bring this up I get a round of “ohhh, Gaider’s upset again.” I’m not upset in the slightest. Kossith is simply an antiquated term that would be used by neither the Qunari nor the Tal’Vashoth and has never even been heard of by anyone else in Thedas, so it’s not apt to be used in-game anytime soon. Thus people insisting on its usage as “proper” when most people who’ve even played the game have never heard of it just makes me scratch my head. It’s bizarre, particularly on the odd occasion when someone schools another fan about it— like they’re just not educated enough to know they should be confused.We’ll call them Qunari. If we feel the need to distinguish from the norm, either in terms of race or religion, we’ll do so… and the only people who’ll be confused are those who enjoy overthinking it.

David Gaider

I’m well aware this is basically about some fans yearning for a proper, single-word label so they can argue about it online and write about it in fanfiction. Yet I’ve told you what words you can use— the ones we would use in-game and in-world— and still there are “but what if—?!” exclamations, as if coming up with enough convoluted reasoning will make the issue seem really complex and untenable.You don’t need a single word for the biological race. If you think you do, because you need a term for the big horned people who aren’t part of the Qun (and Tal’Vashoth just doesn’t cut it for you), then use “qunari” and add a ****ing adjective — assuming you’re not a scientist trying to classify their species, that should be something available to you.Or use “kossith” incorrectly. I’m simply saying what we will use in Dragon Age and assuming that the in-game terminology is something people would like to know. If you don’t care about that and feel you need something additional, then by all means do so. My only issue with it has ever been when some fans school other fans on the “proper” term (and, yes, this does happen) or when fans casually use the word as if that should be meaningful to most— and then blame the lore when it causes confusion.

http://dgaider.tumblr.com/post/55176442585/goddessofcheese-so-this-is-where-it-gets


This isn't as complicated as people make it out to be, Qunari refers to the people of the Qun and is an ethorelgious term like the Jewish as Han pointed out, the devs and writer's have pointed out the samething which it's both the race and religion and also the culture.

They have terms though for the non giant's with or without horns that follow the Qun and terms for the giants who break or abandon the Qun, if you're holding at hope that this is going to change then you're going to be disappointed. 


Kossith was never the race name, the Qunari do not have an individual race name for themselves and tthere's not a known one for them, they are Qunari and only Qunari and people really just need to deal with that.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 01 janvier 2014 - 04:16 .

[Kradus9]

And our way of dealing with it is to call them kossith when referring to the race. That's how this whole thing came to be, people asking questions, and not getting enought information.

[Nefla]

Kradus9 wrote...

And our way of dealing with it is to call them kossith when referring to the race. That's how this whole thing came to be, people asking questions, and not getting enought information.

Well, you're going to be very confused in DA:I then, just as you must have been in DA2 or whenever you meet a Jew in real life. Nobody is going to use Kossith. It's not a racial name at all, it's a cultural name and one that no longer exists. My race isn't American, Sten's race isn't Kossith. Qunari is a word for the religion AND the race just like Jew. Tal'Vashoth came up with their own term to distance themselves from the Qun. There are no elf, dwarf, or human Tal'Vashoth, and converts to the Qunari religion are called Vidathari, converts, or have a qualifier such as "elf-Qunari." Even a child could understand this and that's not even taking context into account.

[daveliam]

I actually think that "Jewish" is the closest thing to this in real-life, although that is a cultural term, not a racial one.

You can be Jewish by culture AND religion. (similar to Qunari as we initially knew it)
You can be Jewish by culture, but not Jewish by religion. (similar to Tal-Vashoth)
You can be Jewish by religion but not Jewish by culture. (similar to Viddithari)

It's not a perfect example, but it's pretty close. We don't have separate terms for this in real-life and we get along just fine. I don't know why so many people are so insistent on using a term that the writers themselves have said isn't being used correctly.

Modifié par daveliam, 01 janvier 2014 - 04:45 .

[Kradus9]

Concerning the Jews, you should try Semitic, not very used in the US, but has always been around for reference. As in anti-Semitic generalizing the ethnicity, not just the followers of the faith. Im not confused at all as to what is a qunari, but a proper definition is required for reference.
Tal'Vashoth is an example of why this definition doesn't work, because they can change their beliefs, but not their race. They where once qunari, they changed to Tal'Vashoth, but their ethnicity/race obviously remains the same, so what is the definition for that? Hence, why people adopted the term kossith.

There's no arrogance in this, just a void of information that needs to be filled.

Modifié par Kradus9, 01 janvier 2014 - 04:49 .

[andy6915]

I think people skipped my large post last page where I quoted a lot from another thread, so I'll repost probably the 2 most important quotes there (my own posts and opinion on this).

"No, we should call them Kossith. Not because it's canon or lore-based but simply because we need a word to refer to the race of giant horned people because Qunari is not merely a race name. Again, we've already met an elven Qunari. Without knowing who she is already, anyone hearing she's a Qunari will picture a tall horned woman and not a petite elf. That kind of confusion is nothing but a headache. So if not Kossith then we need to, as a fanbase or forum, decide on a universal word that we all understand as "the big horned people's species". Kossith is as good as any word and at least is already established, so why not use it? I don't care if it's uncanon or the devs don't like it, we need a way to separate Qunari the species to Qunari the religion.

So tell me. if not Kossith, then what word should we use? And don't say Qunari, that refers to a religion. Oxmen? Refers only to men so I don't really like that term. Giants? Well it sounds cool at least, but they aren't really big enough to be "giant". Horny people? Childish. Grey-skin? Decent, but seems too plain."

---

"Then keep needlessly confusing the fanbase. Because as you know fan nicknames to refer to something like, oh I don't know, calling an unnamed Prothean "Prothy" so that we're all on the same page as to what we're referring to, is obviously not meant to be done. Should we start calling all Arabs "Muslims" now because most happen to be Muslim? I mean if we're going to refer to races by their most common religion, then where should we stop? Should we start calling humans in DAO "Andrastians" as their race name? What if it's an elven chantry believer? Andrastian too? "So an Andrastian went to the market yesterday"... Am I referring to an Elf or a human or even a dwarf if that Orzammar Chantry worked out? You don't know? Well that's the bloody point! Here's another, "a Qunari went to the market yesterday"... Horned one, right? Wrong, it was a dwarven convert. Now you feel stupid for guessing wrong. Maybe this would be easier if we had a way of telling what the hell we're talking about? Just an idea.

You don't want to come up with a name for their race? Then you're just complicating things and making things harder to discuss because we all have to specify exactly which Qunari race we're referring to. Apparently some people just like things remaining frustrating."


Bottom line, we need a distinction. I decided to stop arguing the anti-Kossith people and gave an alternative so that it's the Qunari of other races that have a nickname (viddathari) and not the big horned guys. You hate kossith for the race of giants, fine... Than I'll just use a word for the Qunari who aren't of that race.

Modifié par andy69156915, 01 janvier 2014 - 05:01 .

[daveliam]

Except that I don't find it confusing at all. The horned race? Qunari. Followers of the Qun? Also Qunari.

Sten - Qunari
Tallis - Also Qunari
Maraas - Also Qunari

I don't find it confusing at all. Just as many people don't find it confusing as those that do. Plus, it's been stated by the people who wrote the story that kossith isn't the correct term. You can keep using it all you want, but you really don't have any legs to stand on if you are trying to take the high ground in the argument. You are basically demanding that the writers create an artificial term simply to make it easier for you based on semantics.

[andy6915]

daveliam wrote...

Except that I don't find it confusing at all. The horned race? Qunari. Followers of the Qun? Also Qunari.

Sten - Qunari
Tallis - Also Qunari
Maraas - Also Qunari

I don't find it confusing at all. Just as many people don't find it confusing as those that do. Plus, it's been stated by the people who wrote the story that kossith isn't the correct term. You can keep using it all you want, but you really don't have any legs to stand on if you are trying to take the high ground in the argument. You are basically demanding that the writers create an artificial term simply to make it easier for you based on semantics.

You don't find it confusing? Anyway, I plan to play as a Qunari in DAI for my first playthrough.

























An elven Qunari.

Still not confused? Don't lie.

Modifié par andy69156915, 01 janvier 2014 - 05:10 .

[Kradus9]

daveliam wrote...

Except that I don't find it confusing at all. The horned race? Qunari. Followers of the Qun? Also Qunari.

Sten - Qunari
Tallis - Also Qunari
Maraas - Also Qunari

I don't find it confusing at all. Just as many people don't find it confusing as those that do. Plus, it's been stated by the people who wrote the story that kossith isn't the correct term. You can keep using it all you want, but you really don't have any legs to stand on if you are trying to take the high ground in the argument. You are basically demanding that the writers create an artificial term simply to make it easier for you based on semantics.

Again, that only works in religious terms.

Racialy:

Sten - ...
Tallis - Elf
Maraas - ...

[daveliam]

andy69156915 wrote...

Still not confused? Don't lie.

No. I'm not at all confused by your statement.

In DA: I, you won't be able to play as a qunari (the followers of the Qun), but you will be able to play as a qunari (the race of horned people), so if you said, "In DA: I, I plan to play as a qunari.", I know that you mean the race of horned people.

If there was an option to play as a qunari (the followers of the Qun), then you would do exactly what you just did. "I plan to play as an ELVEN qunari in DA: I." and again, no confusion.

Yes, in the second scenario if someone just said, "I plan to play as a Qunari in DA: I, then most people would probably assume they meant the race. If that's not the case, then all it takes is a single word to clarify it. It's not as complicated as people are trying to make it. It's common sense

Modifié par daveliam, 01 janvier 2014 - 05:25 .

[daveliam]

Kradus9 wrote...

Again, that only works in religious terms.

Racialy:

Sten - ...
Tallis - Elf
Maraas - ...

Wrong.  Maraas isn't a qunari by religion.  He's a Tal-Vashoth.

Racially:

Sten - Qunari
Tallis - Elf
Maraas - Qunari

Culturally:

Sten - Qunari
Tallis - Qunari
Maraas - Tal-Vashoth

Why are people trying to make it more complicated that it needs to be?  Words can have more than one meaning.  That's not uncommon. 

Do you have separate words for the sharp pointy things on the head of the race?

Oh those are horns.

NO!  Horns are the metallic things that you blow into to make music.

Yeah, but it also means a bony growth that some animals have on their heads.

NO!  Words can only have one meaning!  I need to have something else to call that!

[Sol Downer]

andy69156915 wrote...

-snip-

Come on, that's far from confusing. You're an elf that follows the Qun, as such, you are a Qunari. Alternatively, you are a Follower of the Qun. Those big horned guys are ALSO Qunari, both religiously and racially. You're just a Qunari religiously. Get it?

[Todd23]

Even David Gaider, one of the people who are leading this fight against people using kossith, said himself that there's actually nothing wrong with using the word. Just with someone who insist on using the word and then correct somebody else when they do not know the word or not know its meaning acting arrogant as if knowing it makes them a better fan. But at this point all this debating it has actually made it to the point where almost everybody on the forum already knows the meaning and if someone doesn't I'm pretty sure someone will just respectfully inform them. Plus all these comparisons to American or Jewish is pointless. I happen to be both I am the ethnicity Jewish and not the racial Jewish I can tell you that I do not mind being referred to as Jewish because that is the name of the race I would never correct someone and say no that is just a religion as the Qunari have done because Qunari is not the name of the race. Besides, kossith is the name of a race and Qunari is the name of the religion, period. There shouldn't be anything to debate at all.

[andy6915]

daveliam wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Still not confused? Don't lie.

No. I'm not at all confused by your statement.

In DA: I, you won't be able to play as a qunari (the followers of the Qun), but you will be able to play as a qunari (the race of horned people), so if you said, "In DA: I, I plan to play as a qunari.", I know that you mean the race of horned people.

If there was an option to play as a qunari (the followers of the Qun), then you would do exactly what you just did. "I plan to play as an ELVEN qunari in DA: I." and again, no confusion.

Yes, in the second scenario if someone just said, "I plan to play as a Qunari in DA: I, then most people would probably assume they meant the race. If that's not the case, then all it takes is a single word to clarify it. It's not as complicated as people are trying to make it. It's common sense

Oh, so I can't roleplay an elven Qunari? Really? I can't have that as part of my character? Ah. I see. Now I get it. That would make you confused because the term problem would become too obvious, so you have to shut down any and all attempts to show the problem with referring to a race by their religious name.

By the way, an Andrastian went to the market yesterday..................................................................... A Qunari Andrastian convert. Still going to keep pretending this makes sense?

[Kradus9]

daveliam wrote...

Do you have separate words for the sharp pointy things on the head of the race?

Yes, although some of them have no horns. The color or their skin, hair, and their constitution are also specific racial attributes that humans, dwarfs and elfs don't share.

Why have one word with 2 definitons when we can have one word for each?

Modifié par Kradus9, 01 janvier 2014 - 05:29 .

[andy6915]

Ultimashade wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

-snip-

Come on, that's far from confusing. You're an elf that follows the Qun, as such, you are a Qunari. Alternatively, you are a Follower of the Qun. Those big horned guys are ALSO Qunari, both religiously and racially. You're just a Qunari religiously. Get it?

As I've posted twice now-


"No, we should call them Kossith. Not because it's canon or lore-based but simply because we need a word to refer to the race of giant horned people because Qunari is not merely a race name. Again, we've already met an elven Qunari. Without knowing who she is already, anyone hearing she's a Qunari will picture a tall horned woman and not a petite elf. That kind of confusion is nothing but a headache. So if not Kossith then we need to, as a fanbase or forum, decide on a universal word that we all understand as "the big horned people's species". Kossith is as good as any word and at least is already established, so why not use it? I don't care if it's uncanon or the devs don't like it, we need a way to separate Qunari the species to Qunari the religion.

So tell me. if not Kossith, then what word should we use? And don't say Qunari, that refers to a religion. Oxmen? Refers only to men so I don't really like that term. Giants? Well it sounds cool at least, but they aren't really big enough to be "giant". Horny people? Childish. Grey-skin? Decent, but seems too plain."

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"Then keep needlessly confusing the fanbase. Because as you know fan nicknames to refer to something like, oh I don't know, calling an unnamed Prothean "Prothy" so that we're all on the same page as to what we're referring to, is obviously not meant to be done. Should we start calling all Arabs "Muslims" now because most happen to be Muslim? I mean if we're going to refer to races by their most common religion, then where should we stop? Should we start calling humans in DAO "Andrastians" as their race name? What if it's an elven chantry believer? Andrastian too? "So an Andrastian went to the market yesterday"... Am I referring to an Elf or a human or even a dwarf if that Orzammar Chantry worked out? You don't know? Well that's the bloody point! Here's another, "a Qunari went to the market yesterday"... Horned one, right? Wrong, it was a dwarven convert. Now you feel stupid for guessing wrong. Maybe this would be easier if we had a way of telling what the hell we're talking about? Just an idea.

You don't want to come up with a name for their race? Then you're just complicating things and making things harder to discuss because we all have to specify exactly which Qunari race we're referring to. Apparently some people just like things remaining frustrating."

It is confusing. You know it. I know it. Stop pretending this is acceptable or makes sense. Call them Kossith's or some other nickname that isn't their religion, or call converts Viddarthi. Pick one.

[daveliam]

Whatever. Continue to demand that the writers change their creation because you choose not to use the terms that they created. I'm done even trying to discuss this because people are being purposefully obtuse and, at the end of the day, it's not worth it for me to even discuss it. Just don't be surprised and outraged when the term kossith is never used in the game series.

[andy6915]

Or better yet, this post. It very nicely shows EXACTLY why this is a problem. Ready for a headache and a brain twister? Let's go ahead and start using Qunari for all Qunari of all races and see where it leads us...

"So if everyone called Javik something different than everyone else and no one agreed on the nickname, that would have been fine for discussion before his name was revealed? I don't think so. No one would no who other people were referring to, it would have been a mess to discuss... Exactly like Qunari already are because people like you keep wanting to use their relgion as their race name. And mark my words when I say it's only going to get more complicated in DAI, because I fully expect to be running into even more Qunari than in DA2 and a good number of them will likely be "non-Qunari Qunari" (to use your mindset and demonstrate how stupid and convuluted not using a nickname is going to be for other race Qunari in DAI). You want to call them the overtly long non-Qunari Qunari description for converts? Because that is where your logic is leading us. Or should we come up with a nickname for Qunari who are non-Qunari Qunari in that they aren't racially Qunari but are religious Qunari (purposely being redundant to continue demonstrating how dumb this is)? Just because Bioware is being dumb and not telling us a race name just to make things complicated doesn't mean we should play ball and go along with it. Unless Bioware themselves gives us a race name in DAI, the level of redundancy and confusion in my post here will be just a small fraction of how annoying this is going to get if we don't start using a nickname."

Modifié par andy69156915, 01 janvier 2014 - 05:37 .

[Kradus9]

Davelian, you are the one getting upset. People will always search for in-dept information as long as the concept of race is mingled with that of religious belief. It's likely to happen again, like it did with Tallis. Then you'll have more people coming here and asking the same question again and again, only to find out that there really isn't a racial reference for the horned race and that kossith is the next best thing.

Modifié par Kradus9, 01 janvier 2014 - 05:39 .