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[DarthSliver]

But what do you call a Qunari that is born outside the Qun, has no knowledge really of what the Qun is only what their parents tell them what the Qun is. Isn't that what our Qunari character suppose to be, Grey-Giant that was born outside the Qun, doesn't know what the Qun is. I think that is why people want racial term for the Qunari as a race, for the GreyGiants that are separate from the Qun itself.

Honestly I hope if you play as a Qunari that we will get a racial history lesson as we progress the game, it would be nice if Bioware ends the debate through the game. We take stuff we learn through the game as canon for the series, so its best that Bioware makes everything that deals with Qunari official through the game. I mean game dialogue not Codex, not everyone goes reads the codex, when I read the codex I only read the stuff the is interesting to me and I only ever read the Codex when I am on my 2nd or 3rd run of the game.

[DarthSliver]

Kradus9 wrote...

And the point here is that ethnoreligious terms are too broad, and in the case of the qunari/tal-vashoth/convert/non-qunari oxman is insufficient. Which is why people come up with specific references as mentioned.

I hope they make a joke reference to this debate in game with hearing some random dialogue going

"political officials have debated this for centuries since the Qunari invasion on Thedas"

[Battlebloodmage]

I think I just invented a term for Qunari that doesn't follow the Qun: Non-Qun Quanri. Yay!!!

[Sylvius the Mad]

Han Shot First wrote...

No we aren't. Qunari works just fine. Whether a person is referring to the race or the religion depends on the context in which it is used.

Is the word Jewish confusing?

Yes, it is. The imprecision of this term has always bothered me.

[Han Shot First]

Kradus9 wrote...

And the point here is that ethnoreligious terms are too broad, and in the case of the qunari/tal-vashoth/convert/non-qunari oxman is insufficient. Which is why people come up with specific references as mentioned.

Too broad for you perhaps, but not for me. I think Qunari works just fine.  As does Elven Qunari, Human Qunari ect to refer to adherents of the Qun who aren't ethnic Qunari.

I'm really not seeing what is so confusing about this.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Kradus9 wrote...

And the point here is that ethnoreligious terms are too broad, and in the case of the qunari/tal-vashoth/convert/non-qunari oxman is insufficient. Which is why people come up with specific references as mentioned.

Yes, but the point Gaider was making is that the people in the actual setting don't really find that necessary. They just use the terms many people outside the setting find to be insufficient, partially because most of them don't see why one outside the setting might think so.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 07 janvier 2014 - 09:13 .

[Bail_Darilar]

The way I think about the naming is that it's more akin to how we use the word "Jew" in that it both refers to members of the jewish faith and/or members of the Jewish ethnic group. Whereas other races would see the distinction, the Qunari themselves don't however and see the distinction being between Qunari / non-Qunari (kabethari).

"Kossith" would be like an antique term referring to the race as they were known before being organised by the Qun and attempting to invade Thedas, in the same way that 'Israelites' would be for ethnic Jews.

"Tal Vashoth" refers to anyone who abandons the Qun regardless of race although naturally there are larger numbers of "ox-men" rather than any other race. I do believe however "Vashoth" is the term used by Qunari and the prefix of "Tal" is added by the Tal Vashoth themselves.

"Viddathari" refers to new converts to the Qun. I don't think that enough information has been given to adequately explain whether they are eventually referred to as just "Qunari" after a certain point or the distinction still remains between converts and native Qunari. If someone could explain this to me I would be grateful.

I hope this helps with any confusion.

[LinksOcarina]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

No we aren't. Qunari works just fine. Whether a person is referring to the race or the religion depends on the context in which it is used.

Is the word Jewish confusing?

Yes, it is. The imprecision of this term has always bothered me.

Its a religious title, its supposed to be inprecise by design. Belonging to a demonination of faith is just one way of labeling someone. the Qunari are no different.

This is why it doesn't matter what they were before, even in the game lore its irrelevent. What we have on here is just a bunch of nerds arguing empty semantcs. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

LinksOcarina wrote...

This is why it doesn't matter what they were before, even in the game lore its irrelevent. What we have on here is just a bunch of nerds arguing empty semantcs.

Semantics are important.  They allow us to refer to things in a meaningful way.

[Mirrman70]

why do you people keep refusing to let this die? why must we argue, can't we all just accept that it is okay to use separate terms for the same thing? I say soda you say pop, why do you care so god damn much?

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Yes. We must know, the fuhrer demands it.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

This is why it doesn't matter what they were before, even in the game lore its irrelevent. What we have on here is just a bunch of nerds arguing empty semantcs.

Semantics are important.  They allow us to refer to things in a meaningful way.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

No we aren't. Qunari works just fine. Whether a person is referring to the race or the religion depends on the context in which it is used.

Is the word Jewish confusing?

Yes, it is. The imprecision of this term has always bothered me.

Its a religious title, its supposed to be inprecise by design. Belonging to a demonination of faith is just one way of labeling someone. the Qunari are no different.

This is why it doesn't matter what they were before, even in the game lore its irrelevent. What we have on here is just a bunch of nerds arguing empty semantcs. 

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Now, when people say qunari can be used as a acceptable term for kossiths, what they are demonstrating is their genetically originated incapability to properly understand a language. These people will only dilute the purity of those who understand language properly, the pure race of grammatically superior ubermensch. They must be removed, or the contamination may put everyone in jeopardy.

Modifié par The Flying Grey Warden, 13 janvier 2014 - 11:58 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

You know, out of all the praise one could give the qunari, one thing that can be most assuredly assumed is that they would be able to create a transportation system that would rival even the mightiest of germen engineered trains, and have them running on time, around the clock, to round up nonbelievers and the impure to be reeducated and rehabilitated.

Another thing that can be assumed is that they would be able to handle the moderation of a public forum site with the up most efficiency and speed. Which is not something I can say for our would be team of hired help moderates who are apparently doing something else, instead of their jobs.

[TheCreeper]

So as I understand it. Qunari who follow the Qun are Qunari. Qunari who fight against the Qun are Tal-Vashoth (those this could also refer to non-qunari qunari who have left the qun) And Qunari born outside of the Qun are Vashoth, I think.

[Captmorgan72]

What I find hilarious is people arguing lore with the people who created the lore.

[Quatre]

*pours holy water on this thread*

 

May you rest in peace ... again.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

*pours holy water on this thread*
 
May you rest in peace ... again.

Wait...I think we're supposed to salt it first, then burn it!

[mjb203]

Kossith is being used by forumites as a blanket term for the big, usually horned, grey-skinned race from across the sea.

Unless we're given another single word the devs are happier with us using, it's a convenient blanket term even if it's used incorrectly. With all the "Noooo, they are not qunari. They are Tal-Vashoth!" we keep hearing, in both Dragon Age games, it's small wonder people would rather use Kossith instead of multiple terms that covered those in the species who follow the qun, those who have abandoned it, and possibly those who have never heard of it.

Sooooo much this! I only use this term when talking about the race. Especially, as has been pointed out, people on the forums get horribly nitpicky regarding Tal-Vashoth vs Qunari. Kossith is a very sufficient term to use when only referring to the race, and not wanting to get into a Qunari vs Tal-Vashoth vs Vashoth debate.

[ShadowLordXII]

I can see all of this being very annoying for a Vashoth who was never born in the Qun. Constantly being called a Qunari and this terminology being both correct and incorrect at the same time.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Holy necro thread, Batman!

 

What I find hilarious is people arguing lore with the people who created the lore.

 

Hey, if I created some lore and other people found it confusing and/or convoluted, I'd expect them to argue with me, too.

 

The whole qunari debate ultimately came down to this:

 

Devs: "'Kossith' is not the correct term. Thedas simply knows them as 'qunari'."

Fans: "But characters in the games themselves keep telling us off for using 'qunari' as a blanket term. We want a name for the species as a whole without having to debate qunari who are not qunari and tal-vashoth who are not tal-vashoth etc. Can't you give us one?"

Devs: "Can't you just use qunari?"

Fans: "Kossith it is."

 

It's a vicious, nerdy cycle.

[Scofield]

Its inaccurate kossith you use it noone know you on about

[9TailsFox]

What I find hilarious is people arguing lore with the people who created the lore.

Whats so hilarious even almighty maker make mistakes. Actually most of the time hardcore fans know lore better then creators. Like Bioware is bad at math. Anders exist in Awakening and DA2 at the same time. He simply can't be in Kirkwall because at that time he still whit warden.