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[TheBlackAdder13]

Wait, so why isn't the term "kossith" acceptable for Tal-Vashoth? "Kossith" just refers to the horned race, so why is it inaccurate to use Kossith to refer to both Qunari and Tal-Voshoth as it's a racial term, not a religious one?

[Windninja47]

So can I just ask- is there a name you can call the horned race (Qunari and Tal-Vashoth) which cannot be used for anyone else, regardless of wether or not they follow the Qunari philosophy?

[TheBlackAdder13]

Also this thread implies that only grey-skinned giants with horns qualify for the term "kossith." Is kossith not a proper term to use for Sten, even though he's from the same race, just horn-less.

[Firky]

I propose the outsiders title, "Big Horny People." That totally includes Sten. (Probably just wishful thinking.)

Qunari related. There must be another DA comic due soon ...

Modifié par Firky, 11 novembre 2012 - 09:52 .

[Direwolf0294]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

Wait, so why isn't the term
"kossith" acceptable for Tal-Vashoth? "Kossith" just refers to the
horned race, so why is it inaccurate to use Kossith to refer to both
Qunari and Tal-Voshoth as it's a racial term, not a religious one?

It is, but I think people have been using the term "Kossith" to mean giant horned people not of the Qun as opposed to just giant horned people.

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

Also this thread implies that only grey-skinned giants with horns qualify for the term "kossith." Is kossith not a proper term to use for Sten, even though he's from the same race, just horn-less.

Sten is an oddity. A human missing an arm is still a human, yet in conversations about what a human is people will refer to a human as a creature with two arms and two legs. It's the same situation here.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Kossith is being used by forumites as a blanket term for the big, usually horned, grey-skinned race from across the sea.

Unless we're given another single word the devs are happier with us using, it's a convenient blanket term even if it's used incorrectly. With all the "Noooo, they are not qunari. They are Tal-Vashoth!" we keep hearing, in both Dragon Age games, it's small wonder people would rather use Kossith instead of multiple terms that covered those in the species who follow the qun, those who have abandoned it, and possibly those who have never heard of it.

[WhiteKnyght]

David Gaider wrote...

What I don't like is people referring to "Kossith" as if it's a term that everyone should know-- as opposed to something that's been barely mentioned in-game. People also use it incorrectly, using Kossith when what they actually mean is Tal-Vashoth.

It's also not a term the Qunari would use themselves. If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari. Members of their religion who are not also part of the horned race are generally called Viddathari. If you really want to say "Kossith", that's up to you-- we can hardly stop you, and I've no idea why you'd care about what we think-- but it's a little annoying when people roll out "Kossith" first, when everyone would know what they're talking about if they just said "Qunari".

Cassandra to Varric about Tallis: "Qunari is a religion, not a race"

I was under the impression that "Kossith" was the name of their species. Similar to humans, dwarves, and elves.

Referring to all horned giants as Qunari when referring to the species could be considered offensive labeling/generalization. Even Tal Vashoth can be construed as a derogatory name by the Qunari for their dissenters.

[BlueMagitek]

I was wondering why everyone was calling the Qunari Kossith. It just seemed a bit random, and I don't recall hearing it anywhere in the game.

[Iakus]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Cassandra to Varric about Tallis: "Qunari is a religion, not a race"

I was under the impression that "Kossith" was the name of their species. Similar to humans, dwarves, and elves.

Referring to all horned giants as Qunari when referring to the species could be considered offensive labeling/generalization. Even Tal Vashoth can be construed as a derogatory name by the Qunari for their dissenters.

Indeed.

Zevran, Merrill, Shianni, Tallis, and Fenris are all from different nations, backgrounds, and beliefs.  But they're all elves.  Even though they'd identify themselves as Antivan, Dalish, etc,

[Wulfram]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Referring to all horned giants as Qunari when referring to the species could be considered offensive labeling/generalization. Even Tal Vashoth can be construed as a derogatory name by the Qunari for their dissenters.

The Tal Vashoth accept their role, and their name.

Though not all ex-Qunari are Tal Vashoth.

[vanom66]

I'm personally glad there's a specific name for the "ox men" instead of just referring them to their philosophy . Since it could apply to any race besides the hornies . Though I where did the term come from ??

[WhiteKnyght]

Wulfram wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Referring to all horned giants as Qunari when referring to the species could be considered offensive labeling/generalization. Even Tal Vashoth can be construed as a derogatory name by the Qunari for their dissenters.

The Tal Vashoth accept their role, and their name.

Though not all ex-Qunari are Tal Vashoth.

Incorrect, they become Tal Vashoth by not accepting their role.

They call themselves that because it's the only word they know to define what they are.

[xsdob]

You do know that people who don't follow the qun are called vashoth don't you? Meaning grey.

Tal-vashoth are the ones who dedicate themselves to fighting against the qun, vashoth simply go about their business and don't casue trouble for the qunari. Tal-vashoth means "true grey" by the way.

Horned non-qunari = Vashoth

Rebel Horned non-qunari = Tal-vashoth.

How does this sound? Got it from the wiki.

BTW the tal-vashoth do embrace their role, they embrace living against the qun, instead of using it as a name they take it as a title of pride, as a sten would his.

It's what makes them different, they take the fact that they are outcast and make it their lifes duty to live as outcast and scum.

Modifié par xsdob, 12 novembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[LinksOcarina]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Gonna blame your team on that one Mr. Gaider - people are Lore-****s - it's easier than being a real historian.

Your world is interesting - and people love "owning" it by being snobs about terminology.

Solution? Less interesting gaming worlds.

haha...as a "trained" historian its about on par id say.

In all honesty I still don't even know where the term came from. I have used it yes, but mostly because it seemed to me that the term was based on their race, not their philosophy. Still, if it's not right, it's not right. 

[TEWR]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I was wondering why everyone was calling the Qunari Kossith. It just seemed a bit random, and I don't recall hearing it anywhere in the game.

It wasn't used in-game, but DG and other devs have used it on the forums/in interviews before. Personally, I use the term Kossith to denote any and all of the giants -- horned and hornless, Qunari and (Tal-)Vashoth, etc -- when I'm talking specifically about them in certain areas.

If I talk about the Qunari in a general sense, I use Qunari.

[Maria Caliban]

vanom66 wrote...

Though I where did the term come from ??

I found it in this book. I then made a thread about it, corrected people who used the word qunari when they meant the race, and made changes to the DA wiki.

[Sharn01]

David Gaider wrote...

What I don't like is people referring to "Kossith" as if it's a term that everyone should know-- as opposed to something that's been barely mentioned in-game. People also use it incorrectly, using Kossith when what they actually mean is Tal-Vashoth.

It's also not a term the Qunari would use themselves. If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari. Members of their religion who are not also part of the horned race are generally called Viddathari. If you really want to say "Kossith", that's up to you-- we can hardly stop you, and I've no idea why you'd care about what we think-- but it's a little annoying when people roll out "Kossith" first, when everyone would know what they're talking about if they just said "Qunari".

The race clearly would, or should have a name, even if it was one given to them by the other races who where not part of the Qun.  You can't tell us to call them Qunari, then also tell us not to call tal-vashoth qunari, and also tell us that other races that are not the large horned humanoids are also called qunari and tal-vashoth, but that when we say qunari and tal-vashoth people will somehow know we are not referring to the large horned men that are qunari and tal-vashoth and not referring to the other races that are qunari or tal-vashoth, while at the same time expecting the use of the term qunari to somehow refer to the race, and that people will know you are referring to the race when you use it.  Should, I keep going with the inconsistencies, because I surely can if you want me too?

Kossith is the best thing to refer to the large horned humanoid race, if you dont like it then tell us what you want us to call them, because its easier to say "kossith" then it is to say, "large horned race of humanoids that are predominantly associated with the qunari and tal-vashoth".

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Maria Caliban wrote...

vanom66 wrote...

Though I where did the term come from ??

I found it in this book. I then made a thread about it, corrected people who used the word qunari when they meant the race, and made changes to the DA wiki.

Haha yes the best post I've ever made is your sig.

I agree with Sharn on this one. Maybe not every DA fan knows the term Kossith (yet) but there is certainly a use for it.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 12 novembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[nightcobra]

i can certainly see some funny banter now that we know that calling a qunari kossith is like calling ****** sapiens to a man/woman.

qunari meeting a dwarf:

Qunari: Dwarf
Dwarf: Kossith
Qunari: *annoyed*
Dwarf: it's not so pleasant when it's others doing it to you now is it?
Qunari: *grumbles*

[Fredward]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand I still don't care enough to call them anything but Qunari.

[CuriousArtemis]

All of the responses I've seen regarding distaste over fans using the term "kossith" can be basically summed up as "I don't like it for reasons." They are annoyed by our desire to refer to these creatures by a proper term, and their curious annoyance thereby annoys us.

If the term "kossith" is so incredibly annoying, perhaps we should be given the proper term. The game itself instructs us (the player, by way of explanation to other characters) that referring to all gray-skinned horned people as "Qunari" is inaccurate. The only in-game term used to describe the race of gray-skinned horned people that I can think of is "gray ones." This is the term Arvaarad uses at the end of "Sheparding Wolves."

So, "gray ones" it is, I guess.

Gray One LI for DA3! Who wants to start the thread 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[Reznore57]

I don't understand the devs about the whole "kossith " stuff.
If i understood correctly Kossith is a race like dwarf , elves , human etc...
The fact that the terms isn't used in Thedas , for most people I suppose the term Kossith is unknown so they're all use qunari , doesn't mean we can't use it on forum.

Since qunari aren't all "qunari" in Thedas , Tallis being an elf .
Afterall qunari is like andrastian ,if qunari were mostly humans , I'm pretty sure nobody would care if we call them well ,humans.

[Wulfram]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Incorrect, they become Tal Vashoth by not accepting their role.

They call themselves that because it's the only word they know to define what they are.

They abandon their role within the Qun, but they play the role the Qun assigns to those who have rejected it, living as bandits and rebels, rather than placing the Qun behind them and building a new life.

[PinkysPain]

Reznore57 wrote...
I don't understand the devs about the whole "kossith " stuff.

To me it seems it's a control issue, defining the language frames the discussion since having a common name for something makes communication easier ... that framing is something they'd rather be alone to do, because there are areas which they'd rather not we discuss like for instance the "new" dialogue system and the origins of the horned race. That's of course not how things work out on a relatively open forum, so we get some tension.

So ... will a new Kossith faction from across the sea be introduced in Inquisition as antagonists?

Modifié par PinkysPain, 12 novembre 2012 - 12:17 .