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[Iakus]

Sharn01 wrote...

Kossith is the best thing to refer to the large horned humanoid race, if you dont like it then tell us what you want us to call them, because its easier to say "kossith" then it is to say, "large horned race of humanoids that are predominantly associated with the qunari and tal-vashoth".

Well, we could always call them the "Lhrohtapawtqat" for short...

[EmperorSahlertz]

Any Qunari who are not of the Qun is Tal-Vasoth.. It doesn't get much more simple than that really.....

[Spedfrom]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Any Qunari who are not of the Qun is Tal-Vasoth.. It doesn't get much more simple than that really.....

That's not accurate. The Vashoth reject the Qun but do not make their purpose in life to fight against it, they simply continue with their lives.

On topic, the writers probably do have some plans regarding the origins of the kossith, but they're annoyed because our use of the term that describes any and all member of the race, regardless of their ideology, is probably forcing them to change plans.

But expecting us to not use it anymore is a no-way exit. We all say humans, dwarves and elves because it is easier to refer to such beings in general terms, when what only matters is what they are organically/physically. They will have to either incorporate our knowledge that the term kossith refers to the grey, mostly horned, giants, or just give us a new term in DA3. It doesn't matter that only Qunari priests use it in Thedas, that particular 4th wall has been broken and we're using it now too.

[EmperorSahlertz]

There is no such thing as a "Vasoth"...

Edit: It appears that there is a state of Qunari life caleld "Vasoth". Nevertheless, my point, with alittle revision, still stands: Any Qunari not of the Qun, is Vasoth. The Vasoth who plunder and pillage Qunari lands, are Tal-Vasoth.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 12 novembre 2012 - 04:17 .

[Wulfram]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There is no such thing as a "Vasoth"...

That's not how I read this codex

http://dragonage.wik...ry:_Tal-Vashoth

[Spedfrom]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There is no such thing as a "Vasoth"...

Yes, there is. I'd advise you to go and read codexes more attentively. Or just google it.

Edit: Wulfram found the particular codex I had in mind.

Modifié par Spedfrom, 12 novembre 2012 - 04:20 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Spedfrom wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

There is no such thing as a "Vasoth"...

Yes, there is. I'd advise you to go and read codexes more attentively. Or just google it. This is the internet in 2012 after all.

And I suggest you use a less condescending tone, your parents did teach you manners after all.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 12 novembre 2012 - 04:18 .

[Darth Death]

Spedfrom wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Any Qunari who are not of the Qun is Tal-Vasoth.. It doesn't get much more simple than that really.....

That's not accurate. The Vashoth reject the Qun but do not make their purpose in life to fight against it, they simply continue with their lives.

Both Tal-Vasoth & Vashoth are traitors to the Qun, so why the meager distinction? Does a minor difference matter when the end result is the same?  

[Spedfrom]

Darth Death wrote...

Spedfrom wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Any Qunari who are not of the Qun is Tal-Vasoth.. It doesn't get much more simple than that really.....

That's not accurate. The Vashoth reject the Qun but do not make their purpose in life to fight against it, they simply continue with their lives.

Both Tal-Vasoth & Vashoth are traitors to the Qun, so why the meager distinction? Does a minor difference matter when the end result is the same?  

I'd say it does, when Tal-Vashoth devote their lives to the fight against what they've rejected and Vashoth simply go about their merry way. You even have Maraas who was a Qunari that became a Tal-Vashoth and then got fed up with it all and now lives as a mercenary doing whatever work needs to be done for coin, a Vashoth who doesn't care for the Qun anymore.

The devil is in the details, as they say! 

Edit: On second thought, Maraas is probably not a good example of a Vashoth... I'm not quite sure if he regrets abandoning the Qun after leaving the Tal-Vashoth. But the differences still stand, hence the different names too.

Modifié par Spedfrom, 12 novembre 2012 - 04:32 .

[Fraq Hound]

David Gaider wrote...

What I don't like is people referring to "Kossith" as if it's a term that everyone should know-- as opposed to something that's been barely mentioned in-game. People also use it incorrectly, using Kossith when what they actually mean is Tal-Vashoth.

It's also not a term the Qunari would use themselves. If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari. Members of their religion who are not also part of the horned race are generally called Viddathari. If you really want to say "Kossith", that's up to you-- we can hardly stop you, and I've no idea why you'd care about what we think-- but it's a little annoying when people roll out "Kossith" first, when everyone would know what they're talking about if they just said "Qunari".

Even though a ton of people will not see this post and continue to be confused on the whole Qunari/Kossith situation.

I still really appreciate that you posted an explanation. Thank you, Mr. Gaider!

I'm still confused on what exactly a "Kossith" is?

I'm unsure as to where this word crops up in the games/comics/novels or how it originally became associated with the Qunari but I'd sure like to know it's proper usage.

Unless that's something your not ready to discuss yet?

Thanks.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Kossith would be the scientific term for the species of giant ash skinned horned humanoids. Just like ****** Sapiens is the scientific term for humans. However, just like with humans settling with "African" "European" "Black" "White" and so on and so forth, settling for Qunari and Tal-Vasoth would be more common, specific and, probably in most cases, correct.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 12 novembre 2012 - 05:42 .

[Fraq Hound]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Kossith would be the scientific term for the species of giant ash skinned horned humanoids. Just like ****** Sapiens is the scientific term for humans. However, just like with humans settling with "African" "European" "Black" "White" and so on and so forth, settling for Qunari and Tal-Vasoth would be more common, specific and, probably in most cases, correct.

Okay, I hear that, and honestly that's what I originally thought and how I was using the term.

However, this sentence here:

David Gaider wrote...

-snip-

... If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari...

-snip-

seems to contradict that.

Maybe I'm just overthinking this...

[Mary Kirby]

Fraq Hound wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Kossith would be the scientific term for the species of giant ash skinned horned humanoids. Just like ****** Sapiens is the scientific term for humans. However, just like with humans settling with "African" "European" "Black" "White" and so on and so forth, settling for Qunari and Tal-Vasoth would be more common, specific and, probably in most cases, correct.

Okay, I hear that, and honestly that's what I originally thought and how I was using the term.

However, this sentence here:

David Gaider wrote...

-snip-

... If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari...

-snip-

seems to contradict that.

Maybe I'm just overthinking this...

"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.

Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant. 

Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.

[Pzykozis]

Fraq Hound wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Kossith would be the scientific term for the species of giant ash skinned horned humanoids. Just like ****** Sapiens is the scientific term for humans. However, just like with humans settling with "African" "European" "Black" "White" and so on and so forth, settling for Qunari and Tal-Vasoth would be more common, specific and, probably in most cases, correct.

Okay, I hear that, and honestly that's what I originally thought and how I was using the term.

However, this sentence here:

David Gaider wrote...

-snip-

... If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari...

-snip-

seems to contradict that.

Maybe I'm just overthinking this...

I won a tshirt at gamescom 2011 for knowing that the race of people that primarily represent the Qun are called Kossith and I believe most if not all of those questions were devised by Gaider so meh, this whole thing confuses me. Shame the t-shirt is like XXL or something its like a dressing gown but my status as an adonis is neither here nor there.

[Fredward]

Filament wrote...

You know what, I'm just going to start calling them Big Greys. So there.

First sensible thing I've seen in this thread. XD

[Firky]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.

I wonder if that's because people in Thedas overwhelmingly only meet Tall etc who follow the Qun. Or if "qunari" is like "Bandaid" in which all sticky plastic strips you stick over scratches are called Bandaids, even if they are some other brand of sticky plastic strip.

I reckon the 2nd.

By the way, Thedosians - that's the first time I've heard that - is that how they refer to themselves?

[Fraq Hound]

Mary Kirby wrote...

"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.

Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant. 

Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.

Okay, after a google search to find out what "Occidental" means; I understand now.

Thank you Miss/Mrs. Kirby!

I cannot believe I've never heard of that word before!

That being said and with all do respect. I wish you guys had a word that referred specifically to the Horned Qunari. I would think that something would have naturally come about, be it slang or technical, to distinguish those members of the Qunari who have big freaking horns sticking out of their noggin'.

The same way I would imagine that if half the population of our planet suddenly sprouted a tail we would have a word to distinguish said indiviuals pretty darn quickly. (Lets go with Tailors for the purpose of my next sentence.)

They would still be human, but they would be Tailors as well.

*Sits back and waits to see who's dumb enough to come in here and make fun of my made up name for a made up physical deformity. Somebody will, I guarantee it.*

For now I suppose the best method to use is, "Qunari w/ Horns."

As in, "I want a Qunari Companion. One who was born with horns."

[Fraq Hound]

Filament wrote...

You know what, I'm just going to start calling them Big Greys. So there.

Sounds like something that should be in an XCOM game.

[Spedfrom]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.

Mary, do you think it's believable that Thedosians other than "big greys" wouldn't come up with a term to only describe the race without referencing their religion? I mean, Thedas is clearly a place where race segregation exists, just look at the mistreatment of the elves.

And it's not like all "big greys" are Qunari. I know you mean that to other people the word Qunari itself is in reference to those beings and that's all they know what to call them, but what happens when Thedosians are confronted with the existence of elves, humans and dwarves that are Qunari?

[Fraq Hound]

Spedfrom wrote...

Mary, do you think it's believable that Thedosians other than "big greys" wouldn't come up with a term to only describe the race without referencing their religion? I mean, Thedas is clearly a place where race segregation exists, just look at the mistreatment of the elves.

And it's not like all "big greys" are Qunari. I know you mean that to other people the word Qunari itself is in reference to those beings and that's all they know what to call them, but what happens when Thedosians are confronted with the existence of elves, humans and dwarves that are Qunari?

That part I actually can believe. Everything about the Qunari is complex, even the names we do know at this point, the Tal'Vashoth, Viddathari, Kabethari, Saarebas, etc, are tough to keep track of and remember.

Honestly it's part of the reason why this thread exists in the first place. If you put yourselves into the shoes of the humans who rarely interact with Qunari, it makes sense that they would just kinda lump it all together and call em Qunari.

Kinda the same way that there are Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Filipino, Korean, Thai, Malaysian, etc, yet alot of people (some would probably argue alot of ignorant people) just say "Asian".

The Qunari themselves not having a name for those born with this defect (If it is indeed a defect) is more puzzling to me. I mean they name everything else, why not this?

[Firky]

Fraq Hound wrote...
The Qunari themselves not having a name for those born with this defect (If it is indeed a defect) is more puzzling to me. I mean they name everything else, why not this?

The qunari don't differentiate between horns and no horns?

My guess there would be that it's because there is no functional difference between the person. (Because function is everything, right?)

[Mary Kirby]

Spedfrom wrote...

Mary, do you think it's believable that Thedosians other than "big greys" wouldn't come up with a term to only describe the race without referencing their religion? I mean, Thedas is clearly a place where race segregation exists, just look at the mistreatment of the elves.

And it's not like all "big greys" are Qunari. I know you mean that to other people the word Qunari itself is in reference to those beings and that's all they know what to call them, but what happens when Thedosians are confronted with the existence of elves, humans and dwarves that are Qunari?

They call them, "Elven Qunari," or, "Human Qunari," or, 'Qunari convert." Nine times out of ten, if someone says, "Orlesian," they mean a human from Orlais, but now and then they mean an Orlesian city elf, or an Orlesian surface dwarf, and usually they will say, "Orlesian elf" to clarify.