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[Mary Kirby]

Firky wrote...

Fraq Hound wrote...
The Qunari themselves not having a name for those born with this defect (If it is indeed a defect) is more puzzling to me. I mean they name everything else, why not this?

The qunari don't differentiate between horns and no horns?

My guess there would be that it's because there is no functional difference between the person. (Because function is everything, right?)

It's not a defect. It's a minor genetic variation. The equivalent would be closer to having naturally copper-red hair. The Qunari just say, "Oh, he's hornless," in the same way we'd say, "He's ginger." It's just an adjective, not a classification.

[Gtdef]

Mary Kirby wrote...

It's not a defect. It's a minor genetic variation. The equivalent would be closer to having naturally copper-red hair. The Qunari just say, "Oh, he's hornless," in the same way we'd say, "He's ginger." It's just an adjective, not a classification.

So hornless qunari have no soul. Thanks for clarification. 

[Potato Cat]

I thought hornless Qunari were "special". Not in a Sandal way.

[Mary Kirby]

Elfman wrote...

I thought hornless Qunari were "special". Not in a Sandal way.

Sure. Qunari think they have unusual traits in the same way that some people think gingers have special traits. Maybe they're more hot-tempered, or they have a higher pain threshold, or they have no soul, or whatever. It doesn't mean it's actually true.

[Spedfrom]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Spedfrom wrote...

Mary, do you think it's believable that Thedosians other than "big greys" wouldn't come up with a term to only describe the race without referencing their religion? I mean, Thedas is clearly a place where race segregation exists, just look at the mistreatment of the elves.

And it's not like all "big greys" are Qunari. I know you mean that to other people the word Qunari itself is in reference to those beings and that's all they know what to call them, but what happens when Thedosians are confronted with the existence of elves, humans and dwarves that are Qunari?

They call them, "Elven Qunari," or, "Human Qunari," or, 'Qunari convert." Nine times out of ten, if someone says, "Orlesian," they mean a human from Orlais, but now and then they mean an Orlesian city elf, or an Orlesian surface dwarf, and usually they will say, "Orlesian elf" to clarify.

Alright, that's fair enough. Even if I still like kossith. It just rolls off your tongue so well and is so specific about who it is it references. 

I hope the inquisitor will discover more about their origins and lore. Right now, I'm not sure where I stand with them.

[The Hierophant]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Elfman wrote...

I thought hornless Qunari were "special". Not in a Sandal way.

Sure. Qunari think they have unusual traits in the same way that some people think gingers have special traits. Maybe they're more hot-tempered, or they have a higher pain threshold, or they have no soul, or whatever. It doesn't mean it's actually true.

It's unrelated  but will we be able to play as a Qunari or a Tal Vashoth after DA3?

[Firky]

So, if qunari just see horns as natural variation, like hair, why do saarebas -es have theirs cut off?

Well, Ketojan and the Redemption saarebas and the saarebas model in DA2. (Although not concept art. Maybe.)

(Ps.  But, I think I spent about a month wondering how "Ketojan" could physically make the sounds required to talk after Arvaarad's rod thing released him.)

Modifié par Firky, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:26 .

[Mary Kirby]

Firky wrote...

So, if qunari just see horns as natural variation, like hair, why do saarebas -es have theirs cut off?

Well, Ketojan and the Redemption saarebas and the saarebas model in DA2. (Although not concept art. Maybe.)

Many of the hornless Qunari wind up in the Ben Hassrath, so culturally, Qunari associate not having horns with being imposing or scary. Saarebas have their horns cut as a warning, "This guy is dangerous." It's also the reason Tal Vashoth often cut off their own horns -- they think it makes them look tougher.

[PinkysPain]

Mary Kirby wrote...
"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.

Still curious ... is it the word you internally use to refer to the race?

Modifié par PinkysPain, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:31 .

[Mary Kirby]

PinkysPain wrote...

Still curious ... is it the word you internally use to refer to the race?

No. We call them, "Qunari."

[PinkysPain]

Mary Kirby wrote...
No. We call them, "Qunari."

That has to get awkward in your design documents when talking about their overseas ancestors :/

[Iakus]

Mary Kirby wrote...

"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.

That actually makes a great deal of sense.  Makes things much clearer now.

[Firky]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Firky wrote...

So, if qunari just see horns as natural variation, like hair, why do saarebas -es have theirs cut off?

Well, Ketojan and the Redemption saarebas and the saarebas model in DA2. (Although not concept art. Maybe.)

Many of the hornless Qunari wind up in the Ben Hassrath, so culturally, Qunari associate not having horns with being imposing or scary. Saarebas have their horns cut as a warning, "This guy is dangerous." It's also the reason Tal Vashoth often cut off their own horns -- they think it makes them look tougher.

That's pretty cool. Thanks for info.

[TK514]

Me, after fighting the Arishok, I call them "Not the face! Not the face! Just take the book! Dear Andraste, I'm too pretty to die!" or variations on the theme.

[legbamel]

This has been a real eye-opener for me. So the question is whether there are non-Qunari of the same species still living wherever they came from and thus requiring a separate name or if, as seems somewhat likely, everyone of that race/country was required to convert (thus going through the kabethari and viddethari stages themselves) and and thus there are no more Kossith.

[Hakurou]

So let me see if I have these juggled correctly, based on this thread:

Sten, his Beresaad, and the Arishok are Qunari.

The two elven converts who we see just before the Arishok launches the siege on Kirkwall are viddathari. They would consider themselves Qunari, but there might be others who would make the distinction that they're noooot quiiiiite Qunari.

If the devs will humour me further, and these two elves were entered into the Qunari breeding program, and children were produced from this union...would these children be still considered viddathari by some, or full-on Qunari?

(And because the question of why one cares so much has been asked, a. why not? b. I'm ridiculously curious about (and fond of) the Qunari and c. It's useful for my NaNo this year.)

Modifié par Hakurou, 13 novembre 2012 - 02:01 .

[David Gaider]

PinkysPain wrote...
That has to get awkward in your design documents when talking about their overseas ancestors :/

Why should it? Unless you think "Qunari ancestors" is somehow inherently confusing?

[ScotGaymer]

I think I get it.

I do.

It's a bit like how in china, the Chinese are actually all made up of several different peoples and races (56 different groupings I believe) that are sort of different but still all considered "chinese".

Like the Han Chinese were the "original" chinese but as time went on it began to include other "chinese" peoples like the Zhuang, or Manchu.

Something like that?

[TobiTobsen]

PurebredCorn wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Firky wrote...

So, if qunari just see horns as natural variation, like hair, why do saarebas -es have theirs cut off?

Well, Ketojan and the Redemption saarebas and the saarebas model in DA2. (Although not concept art. Maybe.)

Many of the hornless Qunari wind up in the Ben Hassrath, so culturally, Qunari associate not having horns with being imposing or scary. Saarebas have their horns cut as a warning, "This guy is dangerous." It's also the reason Tal Vashoth often cut off their own horns -- they think it makes them look tougher.

That's cool. I was wondering why Merass (I think that is his name) cut off his horns.

Hornless Tal Vashoth are basically the Qunari equivalent of gang bangers with baggy pants.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 13 novembre 2012 - 06:41 .

[Zerker]

Qunari are the most interesting and characteristic nation in Thedas. I really would like to play as one, or at least enjoy a game based on the war between Tevinter and Qunari. I'm fascinated by this conflict's historical resemblance of the wars between Byzantium Empire(Tevinter) and Ottoman Turks(Qunari), just like Orlais and Ferelden resembling French - British conflict, that was also an interesting one and I very much enjoyed the reads so I'm looking forward to learn more.

I look forward to seeing Sten again sometime too, imagine Sten and Oghren entering an epic scene to defend the Warden from some kind of threat, that would be something to see.

[Teddie Sage]

Could someone explain to me what "kossith" means then?

[CuriousArtemis]

It's just, when the point is made in-game that "Qunari" is a religion and not a race, it's confusing to players. But I guess we can just assume Cassandra was wrong and that "Qunari" is actually a race as well as a religion. A gray-skinned horned person is biologically a qunari but also culturally a "Qunari."

[Rinji the Bearded]

motomotogirl wrote...

It's just, when the point is made in-game that "Qunari" is a religion and not a race, it's confusing to players. But I guess we can just assume Cassandra was wrong and that "Qunari" is actually a race as well as a religion. A gray-skinned horned person is biologically a qunari but also culturally a "Qunari."

If they aren't Qunari, they're Tal-vashoth.  I think that's it.