Ellestor wrote...
The issue is when we want to refer to the race.
If they don't want to do that, fine. But we here on Earth are not qunari.
xsdob wrote...
Here's my list of terms used to identify qunari.
Horned giant followers of the qun = Qunari
Horned giants who don't follow the qun = Vashoth
Horned giants who oppose the qun = Tal-Vashoth
None-giant worshipers = Viddathari
Everyone who isn't a giant or worshiper = Bas
Horned race as a collective whole = Qunari(since so many follow the qun)
Magic horned people = Saarebas
Hows this look to everyone elses list? I'm curious to know.
Yes, they're qunari, but are they qunari or qunari?Foolsfolly wrote...
Ellestor wrote...
The issue is when we want to refer to the race.
If they don't want to do that, fine. But we here on Earth are not qunari.
They're Qunari.
What seems weird to me is worrying about hurting qunari feelings with what we say on these fora...Foolsfolly wrote...
Ignoring their right to call themselves whatever they want and insisting your own term is better is weird to me.
Remove all possible terms for humans from our vocabulary and replace it with Andrastian and I might be with you.Foolsfolly wrote...
It's like if someone started a thread saying all humans should be called shemlen because the elves named the humans that and the elves were here first.
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Ellestor wrote...
Yes, they're qunari, but are they qunari or qunari?Foolsfolly wrote...
Ellestor wrote...
The issue is when we want to refer to the race.
If they don't want to do that, fine. But we here on Earth are not qunari.
They're Qunari.Their right...?Foolsfolly wrote...
Ignoring their right to call themselves whatever they want and insisting your own term is better is weird to me. It's like if someone started a thread saying all humans should be called shemlen because the elves named the humans that and the elves were here first.
What universe am I in?
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Modifié par Nizaris1, 16 novembre 2012 - 03:57 .
I can't find a reason to care. It's a word more specifically referring to a subject we can't otherwise specify without explicitly ruling out its alternate meaning every damn time. That's handy.Foolsfolly wrote...
Ellestor wrote...
Their right...?
What universe am I in?
Apparently the one where you call a race a completely different name that's never used in-game or novels or comics. Just in one codex... if this thread's to be believed. I still don't see it.
I've looked under qun, qunari, tal-vashoth, and saarbas and still no kossith. At this point I believe the term exists in that space the Fex do.... in Word of God because we haven't seen or heard of them yet in-game.
Modifié par Ellestor, 16 novembre 2012 - 03:56 .
FreshIstay wrote...
So now.
Kossith is officially erased from the memories.
It seem's everyone one has new names these day
(Naishe)
I think im getting sick.
What seems weird to me is worrying about hurting qunari feelings with what we say on these fora...
Nizaris1 wrote...
Now this is confusing, Qun, Qunari, Koshish, Vashoth, Tal Vashoth, Vidithari, Bas, Serabas, Basra, Basalit-an, ...what the hell?
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The devs keep mentioning this but I don't think I've ever seen this happen, and I daresay I spend more time on these forums than a lot of devs, sadly.Allan Schumacher wrote...
The issue I have with it is more when people get self-righteous and decide to talk down to people for not using the term kossith to describe the Qunari.
Mary Kirby wrote...
Fraq Hound wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Kossith would be the scientific term for the species of giant ash skinned horned humanoids. Just like ****** Sapiens is the scientific term for humans. However, just like with humans settling with "African" "European" "Black" "White" and so on and so forth, settling for Qunari and Tal-Vasoth would be more common, specific and, probably in most cases, correct.
Okay, I hear that, and honestly that's what I originally thought and how I was using the term.
However, this sentence here:David Gaider wrote...
-snip-
... If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari...
-snip-
seems to contradict that.
Maybe I'm just overthinking this...
"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.
Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant.
Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.
The Grey Nayr wrote...
Mary Kirby wrote...
Fraq Hound wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Kossith would be the scientific term for the species of giant ash skinned horned humanoids. Just like ****** Sapiens is the scientific term for humans. However, just like with humans settling with "African" "European" "Black" "White" and so on and so forth, settling for Qunari and Tal-Vasoth would be more common, specific and, probably in most cases, correct.
Okay, I hear that, and honestly that's what I originally thought and how I was using the term.
However, this sentence here:David Gaider wrote...
-snip-
... If you want to refer to the horned race, it's Qunari...
-snip-
seems to contradict that.
Maybe I'm just overthinking this...
"Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means.
Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant.
Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves.
Y'know, you might have done well to mention that when you guys first realized the word "kossith" got leaked, which, as I recall, was some time ago, instead of letting everybody go on believing that it was the name of their species.
Also in all fairness, using a general label like Qunari seems impolite by modern standards. Say the Qunari lost one of their gray horned babies and it was found and raised by humans with Andrastean beliefs. Calling him a Qunari(relating to the "blasphemous" culture that Andrasteans hate) would probably come off as highly offensive. DA requivalent of racial profiling.
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I have. People on the BSN love few things more than "correcting" others. There, see, I just did it to you. And it was glorious!Filament wrote...
The devs keep mentioning this but I don't think I've ever seen this happen, and I daresay I spend more time on these forums than a lot of devs, sadly.Allan Schumacher wrote...
The issue I have with it is more when people get self-righteous and decide to talk down to people for not using the term kossith to describe the Qunari.
Ellestor wrote...
I can't find a reason to care. It's a word more specifically referring to a subject we can't otherwise specify without explicitly ruling out its alternate meaning every damn time. That's handy.Foolsfolly wrote...
Ellestor wrote...
Their right...?
What universe am I in?
Apparently the one where you call a race a completely different name that's never used in-game or novels or comics. Just in one codex... if this thread's to be believed. I still don't see it.
I've looked under qun, qunari, tal-vashoth, and saarbas and still no kossith. At this point I believe the term exists in that space the Fex do.... in Word of God because we haven't seen or heard of them yet in-game.
David doesn't like it because it's non-specific in a different way, as with the ‘using ****** sapiens to refer only to people from Boston’ example, but in the absence of Bostonian and its synonyms, and if Bostonians were my only exposure to ****** sapiens, and the only alternative being to refer to them as Catholics, when I know millions of non-Bostonians are also Catholics... I'll go ahead an specify them as ****** sapiens.
Filament wrote...
The devs keep mentioning this but I don't think I've ever seen this happen, and I daresay I spend more time on these forums than a lot of devs, sadly.
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Well, I think fans enjoy digging up and becoming well versed in the most obscure parts of the lore, like the bits only mentioned once in supplemental Dragon Age material, or by a dev in a forum post years ago. It can end up sounding a little smug but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, it just means they're really interested in the setting.Allan Schumacher wrote...
I have noticed it a few times. It's rarely "OMG YOU ARE STUPID" level of crazy, but rather more along the lines of the smug, monocle wearing type of "Excuse me sir, I do believe the term you should be using is Kossith, not Qunari. Fortunately my refined edumication is here to ensure such errors do not occur in the future. Cheerio lads."
Depending on how it's worded, it comes across crass and maybe borderline elitist (in the sense of "oh look at me, I am so well versed in the setting. This is a display of my status and understanding).
David Gaider wrote...
Which, clearly some people really are. So... whatever? Call them floating cheese wheels, if that makes you happy.
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Nizaris1 wrote...
Seamus call the mercenary "Vashadan b***h!"
Avarad also use the word before fighting Hawke, but he turn to his people and say "Vashadan! Boom bada boom boom!!!! (not care to be specific on what he say)", the way he said "Vashadan!" is like calling...like "Hey you guys!"
So Vashadan is what?
Mary Kirby wrote...
Matthias Umbra wrote...
There
another qunari word I'm curious about. When you deselect him on the
party screen, he says, "vashadin" or some-such. I'm wondering if the
translation can even be posted here [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]
Vashedan: could be loosely translated as "crap." (literally, refuse or trash.)
That would be nice, but better late than never.The Grey Nayr wrote...
Y'know, you might have done well to mention that when you guys first realized the word "kossith" got leaked, which, as I recall, was some time ago, instead of letting everybody go on believing that it was the name of their species.
StarcloudSWG wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
Which, clearly some people really are. So... whatever? Call them floating cheese wheels, if that makes you happy.
[tongueincheek] Gasp! The secret of the cheese wheel revealed! I was wondering why there's always a cheese wheel in Bioware's fantasy games, it's a clue! [/tongueincheek]
As I said earlier, it's from the Dragon Age PnP book. It isn't 'word of god.'Foolsfolly wrote...
Apparently the one where you call a race a completely different name that's never used in-game or novels or comics. Just in one codex... if this thread's to be believed. I still don't see it.
I've looked under qun, qunari, tal-vashoth, and saarbas and still no kossith. At this point I believe the term exists in that space the Fex do.... in Word of God because we haven't seen or heard of them yet in-game.
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