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[SavagelyEpic]

 Has ME3 started a disturbing trend of writer hate towards their audiences?




***SUPER MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR HALO 4***

Seriously, don't read this part if you want to ever like - or even tolerate - anything Halo-related ever again.

The bloody dicks killed off Cortana. 343 can go suck a fat one.

***/Endspoilers***



It then occurred to me that my reaction to the Halo 4 ending almost exactly mirrored that of what I saw on BSN in response to the ME3 endings. I kind of almost feel like the entirety of the Halo franchise is pretty much ruined for me now - All the books, games, and even the webseries. It's ridiculous. I'll admit and be the first to say that I never really get riled up or rage over things that happen in works of fiction - But I'm more than a little pissed off over this.



My question to you as my fellow appreciators of this medium is:

Should we start to expect that future franchises that we'll come to know and love will have enormously ****ty endings?

Are terrible endings something we should condition ourselves to accept as industry standard?

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 11 novembre 2012 - 09:23 .

[legion999]

Of course it's impossible that she may have survived. And just because she may have died doesn't make the ending ****ty.

Modifié par legion999, 11 novembre 2012 - 08:21 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Lol wow I've read some stupid crap in my time on here, and while this doesn't take the cake, its pretty close.

[SavagelyEpic]

 Because killing off 1/2 of the main character doesn't qualify as digging yourself into a hole you can't get out of?

Well, I dunno what does, then.

[Dominus]

Has ME3 started a disturbing trend of writer hate towards their audiences?

No. While writers may be turned off by fan backlash or the like, I somehow doubt writers are literally trolling their own audience. Frankly, given the spoiler above, it was something that shouldn't have been an enormous surprise from the get go. It's almost a bit like the butthurt over the Halo 2 cliffhanger. I wasn't expecting the game to end at that given point, and it didn't.

Should we start to expect that future franchises that we'll come to know and love will have enormously ****ty endings? Are terrible endings something we should condition ourselves to accept as industry standard?

No, and No. 'Bad' game endings have been going on for as long as games have been chugged out into the world.

Modifié par DominusVita, 11 novembre 2012 - 08:49 .

[Carcharoth42]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

 Because killing off 1/2 of the main character doesn't qualify as digging yourself into a hole you can't get out of?

Well, I dunno what does, then.

If they did this at the end of the trilogy then you would have a point. They still have two games left and plenty of time to change their decisions.

[RedArmyShogun]

Three things. One She was going crazy, and would not have survived anyways. And her "death" played one hell of a huge role in the ending.

Two, its not over yet the vids for spartan ops if you bother to watch them tell the story between the end of 4 and the start of 5.

Three. There can always be a 2nd one made. A Machine died. Not a Person. And what was used to make it, is still alive and well.

[Wolfspawn]

Is there a trend?
Bad endings IN GENERAL have been around forever. And Mass Effect 3 was the first one?
I don't know about everyone else, but your logic is flawless.

[MichaelStuart]

People really need to learn to accept death in fiction

[Naughty Bear]

I had no idea she would die. I thought the Reclaimer trilogy would be about the duo.

[slimgrin]

I think the problem is devs aren't assured there's going to be a sequel in a given franchise. What if it sells poorly? Then they have to move on. The result is that sequels aren't plotted out from the beginning. The standard of writing in the industry is certainly getting better, but devs frequently outsource rather than having an in-house team of writers which is another mistake.

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 novembre 2012 - 11:36 .

[jackofalltrades456]

Wasn't that what part of the story was about, anyway? Cortana being near death due to being a year over her life span?

I mean with Mass Effect 3, even the other devs were thrown off guard by Casey Hudson shutting out the other writers and single-handedly creating the Star Child ending.

With this case, they seemed very clear Cortona was near death.

[GodWood]

SavagelyEpic wrote...
Has ME3 started a disturbing trend of writer hate towards their audiences?

Lol that you think some cheap schlock like Mass Effect has any influence over the entire sci-fi genre.

***SUPER MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR HALO 4***

Seriously, don't read this part if you want to ever like - or even tolerate - anything Halo-related ever again.

The bloody dicks killed off Cortana. 343 can go suck a fat one.

***/Endspoilers***

And lol that you think I give a **** about Cortana.

Killing off a character that you (and/or the rest of the degenerate fanbase) happen to like is not a crime or some kind literary taboo that cannot be broken.

If it's written well and is a logical progression of previous events then any character's death should be fair game.

[Volus Warlord]

I think the "what the hell is this?" endings will be relatively short lived. It seems to be some sort of fad in the industry.

[Khayness]

Did it feel like an integral part of the storytelling, contained well within the story parameters the series estabilished?

I didn't play the main Halo games (only ODST co-op lol), but I've read about them, and the answer seems to be 'yes'. Not like with that certain last 10 minutes asspull character twist you are referring to.

[billy the squid]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

 Because killing off 1/2 of the main character doesn't qualify as digging yourself into a hole you can't get out of?

Well, I dunno what does, then.

I would advise you to never read the series Game of Thrones, if you think this way.

[Homebound]

I think the even more disturbing trend is the use of cliche sci-fi story elements to the point where key plotpoints between different games share striking similarities.

Mass effect 3's ending fell on a flat/unresolved note, same thing with Halo and fallout for example. Im not sure if which came first but "Protheans" and "Prometheans" both being pre-cursor races with similar names, though not used in the exact way still bare striking similarities. Its almost like theres a forum somewhere, where all the devs come together and talk about videogame stuff until they all have the same idea....

[DarkDragon777]

I would actually agree with you if you didn't present your point in such a stupid way. Instead of making me feel "sad", I felt more cheated that they killed off a perfectly good character that could've been used in future installments. They could have explored the topic of rampancy in a slightly less comic way.

[Seboist]

I was only sad because I wouldn't get to see Cortana's ass in the sequels.

[Seboist]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

So because they killed off one character, they hate their audience?

Seems legit.

In a series where major characters have been killed off before no less.