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Is there a trend for Scifi VG writers to hate their intended audience? (Halo 4 spoilers)


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Seboist wrote...

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Besides the only death that will actually ****** me off is the Arbiter tbh.


I was sad that he wasn't in H4.


He's supposed to show up in several future Spartan Ops missions plus Halo 5 and 6

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Go read some books, say A Song of Fire and Ice or The Witcher saga - then talk about rage over your favorite main or support character death(s).

BTW - just watched the story vids on YT... Halo4 seems pretty good in story department to me. Tapping on ancient history and transhumanism (kind of like Armada comic books, BSG and some others) where humans were struck down from dominant position in the galaxy and descended to begining of their evolutions path...

It seems to me that somewhere in the future Master Chief will integrate with Cortana (I dont belive this is the end for her) - some fusion... which reminds me of the Green Ending by the way. But I'm sure it will be handled better and in another (or because of) context.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

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Good endings are hard to pull off, and I think there is pressure to be epic/ exciting/ "I never saw it coming" which leads to melodrama and fan rage. If an ending is satisfactory but just sort of ordinary, you hear criticism about that. So what are game writers supposed to do.


Especially in an industry where a game like Halo 4 gets story scores higher then Wicher 2.

Yes I just said it. An RPG with real choices and consequenes in the story, with incredibly complex characters and situations get lower scores then Halo 4. I have no quarrel with Halo, in fact if Microsoft decided to pull their heads out of their asses and release Halo 3 and 4 on PC I'd gladly play them.

Actually, the average critic score for TW2 is 88, and 87 for Halo 4. Halo 4 isn't higher.

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sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Halo has a storyline?


Hate all you want just because it's an Fps. It has a better story than Mass Effect for sure, along with an interesting lore too.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...
Actually, the average critic score for TW2 is 88, and 87 for Halo 4. Halo 4 isn't higher.


Sure when counting up all the reviews, but I've seen a fair share of reviewers give it higher scores then TW2 with regards to story. IGN 98, Machinima 100, Gametrailers, 95 and so on.

Granted IGN's journalistic's integrity is worth squat as is Machinima's but GT gave Witcher the best story award in 2011 with a 92 whereas Halo 4 get's a 94?

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Actually, the average critic score for TW2 is 88, and 87 for Halo 4. Halo 4 isn't higher.


Sure when counting up all the reviews, but I've seen a fair share of reviewers give it higher scores then TW2 with regards to story. IGN 98, Machinima 100, Gametrailers, 95 and so on.

Granted IGN's journalistic's integrity is worth squat as is Machinima's but GT gave Witcher the best story award in 2011 with a 92 whereas Halo 4 get's a 94?

Oh, you were referring to specific critics rather than the average or general consensus.

Well, in that case I agree then.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 12 novembre 2012 - 02:40 .


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1. You alone aren't anyones target audience.

2. I have seen very little rage on the halo forums or anywhere really about cortana's death, only people saying that they are bummed and stuff like that.

3. Don't you freaking dare compare Halo 4's ending with ME3's failure of an ending. :ph34r:

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darthnick427 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Besides the only death that will actually ****** me off is the Arbiter tbh.


I was sad that he wasn't in H4.


He's supposed to show up in several future Spartan Ops missions plus Halo 5 and 6

I am pretty sure he isn't in spartan ops. But if you have proof that he is then SHOW ME!!!

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Halo has a storyline?


Hate all you want just because it's an Fps. It has a better story than Mass Effect for sure, along with an interesting lore too.

I'm a diehard halo fan but just no. Halo's lore is not as extensive or interesting as ME's. The story is good for the most part but I wouldn't rank it higher than Me's. I respect your opinion though.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

I have no quarrel with Halo, in fact if Microsoft decided to pull their heads out of their asses and release Halo 3 and 4 on PC I'd gladly play them.

You would just pirate/steal them like every other PC user would. That is why they won't put the games on PC too many hackers and theives.

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darthnick427 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Besides the only death that will actually ****** me off is the Arbiter tbh.


I was sad that he wasn't in H4.


He's supposed to show up in several future Spartan Ops missions plus Halo 5 and 6


That makes me happy.

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Ghost1017 wrote...

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sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Halo has a storyline?


Hate all you want just because it's an Fps. It has a better story than Mass Effect for sure, along with an interesting lore too.

I'm a diehard halo fan but just no. Halo's lore is not as extensive or interesting as ME's. The story is good for the most part but I wouldn't rank it higher than Me's. I respect your opinion though.

I disagree. Halo may have less upfront important stuff with the characters, but it definately has a better and deeper story. It is more spread out, because in halo, the events of history have a huge impact on the present situation. The new trilogies basic plot is "Events that started thousands of years ago finally come to a close."

In the end, as with many things, it does fall down to personal preference, though.

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darthnick427 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Besides the only death that will actually ****** me off is the Arbiter tbh.


I was sad that he wasn't in H4.


He's supposed to show up in several future Spartan Ops missions plus Halo 5 and 6


Source?

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Regarding the OP's comments, I've seen people clamor for darker games, then complain when that darkness is implemented via death of potentially main characters. ;)

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Da_old_Boss wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I have no quarrel with Halo, in fact if Microsoft decided to pull their heads out of their asses and release Halo 3 and 4 on PC I'd gladly play them.

You would just pirate/steal them like every other PC user would. That is why they won't put the games on PC too many hackers and theives.


Because every PC user is a pirate, what stupid logic. Typical of a console fanboy.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 novembre 2012 - 06:39 .


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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Da_old_Boss wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I have no quarrel with Halo, in fact if Microsoft decided to pull their heads out of their asses and release Halo 3 and 4 on PC I'd gladly play them.

You would just pirate/steal them like every other PC user would. That is why they won't put the games on PC too many hackers and theives.


Because every PC user is a pirate, what stupid logic. Typical of a console fanboy.

It was hyperbole, and you know that. Either way there are simply to many pirates and hackers, but i wouldn't expect you to admit it.

Modifié par Da_old_Boss, 12 novembre 2012 - 06:47 .


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To respond to the original post......

You know what would be even worse?? Halo Trek III: The Search for Spoktana.....Or whatever, for the eventual sequel.

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Sorry you didn't like the tragic death and all, but tell me, when was there supposed to be a miraculous solution to Cortana's problem? As I understand it from my limited exposure to Halo, AIs in that universe eventually fall apart as they become more intelligent and sentient. It's their fate to die at a certain point. Now let me jump to one of my favorite shows...

The Walking Dead is a series that is basically merciless about killing any and every character you like or love - that also applies to the original comic series AND the Telltale game. In fact, I was recently horrified by the deaths of TWO main characters on the show last week (possibly three - the fate of the third is still uncertain...I think).

While I have been upset/shocked to see various people fall by the wayside since Season 1 (except for Shane and Ed - wasn't upset about them at all), do you see me whining about it? No. I might joke about never forgiving the writers for a certain death (and there have been a lot of characters who have been killed off), but I understand that death happens to nice people. I understand that each death serves a purpose and hasn't been done just to jerk us all around.

I can deal with it. You all might want to grow up and quit it with the seemingly endless whining about characters x, y, z dying or not getting a happy ending or whatever. The writers are, I repeat, not screwing you over or jerking you around. I swear to God, this is why I stopped reading the ME3 forums except for DLC info and multiplayer. Maybe you people need to switch to children's fairytales if you can't deal with anything even remotely sad or tragic.

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Ghost1017 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Halo has a storyline?


Hate all you want just because it's an Fps. It has a better story than Mass Effect for sure, along with an interesting lore too.

I'm a diehard halo fan but just no. Halo's lore is not as extensive or interesting as ME's. The story is good for the most part but I wouldn't rank it higher than Me's. I respect your opinion though.


Have you seen the amount of lore Halo has?

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Da_old_Boss wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I have no quarrel with Halo, in fact if Microsoft decided to pull their heads out of their asses and release Halo 3 and 4 on PC I'd gladly play them.

You would just pirate/steal them like every other PC user would. That is why they won't put the games on PC too many hackers and theives.


Of course that explains why Steam is such a massive fail- oh wait it isn't. Saying every PC user is a pirate is like saying every console owner is an intellectually inferior CoD fanboy, it's moronic and false.

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[quote]Ghost1017 wrote...

[quote]Naughty Bear wrote...

[quote]sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Halo has a storyline?[/quote]

Hate all you want just because it's an Fps. It has a better story than Mass Effect for sure, along with an interesting lore too.

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I'm a diehard halo fan but just no. Halo's lore is not as extensive or interesting as ME's. The story is good for the most part but I wouldn't rank it higher than Me's. I respect your opinion though.


You clearly have not read the background on Halo. Are you even aware that the Prophet like creatures (can't remember the bugger's name) who killed Keyes daughter with the needler in Halo 3 were actually allies of Humanity during the Human-Forerunner war?

And that the Forerunner's sent Humanity back to the stone age and killed their version of the precursors? And Humanity itself has multiple stories on how they are related to the Fore-runners such as being their descendants or that the Fore-runners actually passed their technology onto Humanity.

How far does Mass Effect's history go? To the first contact war? How does that qualify as 'interesting'? Idiot.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 12 novembre 2012 - 07:40 .


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Ghost1017 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Halo has a storyline?


Hate all you want just because it's an Fps. It has a better story than Mass Effect for sure, along with an interesting lore too.

I'm a diehard halo fan but just no. Halo's lore is not as extensive or interesting as ME's. The story is good for the most part but I wouldn't rank it higher than Me's. I respect your opinion though.


Do they at least bother to stay true to established lore, or keep ignoring it for pointless visuals?

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Da_old_Boss wrote...

It was hyperbole, and you know that. Either way there are simply to many pirates and hackers, but i wouldn't expect you to admit it.


I admit it. I admit it that Halo 4 was pirated weeks before the official release date.

I ADMIT EVERYTHING!


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Ghost1017 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Halo has a storyline?


Hate all you want just because it's an Fps. It has a better story than Mass Effect for sure, along with an interesting lore too.

I'm a diehard halo fan but just no. Halo's lore is not as extensive or interesting as ME's. The story is good for the most part but I wouldn't rank it higher than Me's. I respect your opinion though.


Mass Effect has no lore. The constant retcons and inconsistencies attest to that.

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Da_old_Boss wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

sympathy4sarenreturns wrote...

Halo has a storyline?


Hate all you want just because it's an Fps. It has a better story than Mass Effect for sure, along with an interesting lore too.

I'm a diehard halo fan but just no. Halo's lore is not as extensive or interesting as ME's. The story is good for the most part but I wouldn't rank it higher than Me's. I respect your opinion though.

I disagree. Halo may have less upfront important stuff with the characters, but it definately has a better and deeper story. It is more spread out, because in halo, the events of history have a huge impact on the present situation. The new trilogies basic plot is "Events that started thousands of years ago finally come to a close."

In the end, as with many things, it does fall down to personal preference, though.


The presentation of the narrative also feels more epic, largely because of the outstanding soundtrack. The first time I started up Halo 1's title screen, I knew I was in for something incredible.