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[Nerevar-as]

DominusVita wrote...

Yes, but that usually isn't that "the game is pretty much the opposite of what it was advertised as, and there's only one, abrupt, nonsensical ending for everyone.

Outside of the occasional YouTube trailer, I don't bother paying attention to advertising. Gamer's Intuition/Instinct is a hell of a lot more accurate in quality determination than a 30-second commercial or the back of a DVD-Box. Doesn't always work perfectly, though.

I do get what you mean - it's not what people were hoping for. For the record, I never cared for the ending. Not painful/awful, but more of a "...What just happened o_o" sort of ending.

There were also devs´ talking (or rather lying) about what the game would feature, how Rachni would be really important and there wouldn´t be a Reaper off-button or A,B,C endings and so on. Maybe after their work in KOTOR they embraced the Jedi definition of truth.

[Zhuinden]

Nerevar-as wrote...

DominusVita wrote...

Yes, but that usually isn't that "the game is pretty much the opposite of what it was advertised as, and there's only one, abrupt, nonsensical ending for everyone.

Outside of the occasional YouTube trailer, I don't bother paying attention to advertising. Gamer's Intuition/Instinct is a hell of a lot more accurate in quality determination than a 30-second commercial or the back of a DVD-Box. Doesn't always work perfectly, though.

I do get what you mean - it's not what people were hoping for. For the record, I never cared for the ending. Not painful/awful, but more of a "...What just happened o_o" sort of ending.

There were also devs´ talking (or rather lying) about what the game would feature, how Rachni would be really important and there wouldn´t be a Reaper off-button or A,B,C endings and so on. Maybe after their work in KOTOR they embraced the Jedi definition of truth.

Don't forget how you wouldn't just be doing fetch quests to make the galaxy trust you and love you
Although, it's not like whether you were a Paragon or a Renegade actually mattered in the end.... so I guess it's okay. Not.

As a relocation to my signature link, http://i0.kym-cdn.co...270/606/13a.jpg
I wouldn't trust any story writer after that.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 14 novembre 2012 - 12:27 .

[Jebel Krong]

Charles Rosemberg wrote...

breyant wrote...

Casey seems like a really nice guy. He shouldn't be thanking us, we should be thanking him. Regardless of how you feel about ME3, he gave us one of the greatest sci-fi trilogies of all time. I have spent literally hundreds of hours playing these three games and I don't regret a second of it.

[Dominator24]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

In order to have a track record of fail you'd have to make more than one bad game in a series.

Incorrect. Ever heard of "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"?. I sure as hell am not going to pre-order any more games given that much of the pre-release information about ME3 turned out to be untrue. I would not have bought the game if I had know this.

The problem is not that he made one bad game, but that he has evidently decided that it's now OK to lie to fans to inflate sales. I won't thank him for the ME series until such a time that I get a refund for ME3 (i.e. never).

Trust, once lost, takes a lot to restore - more than a decade in this case since I've been playing Bioware games since Baldur's Gate.

This.

[M920CAIN]

Casey Hudson is comparing Shepard's story from unexperienced to very experienced between Mass Effect 1, 2, 3 with his own Bioware team. But I ask you this Mr. Hudson, is the Bioware's team faith as cruel as the one you gave Shepard? If so ok, if not, fix the guddamn endings already and then make comparaisons. You did a great job sure, you put a lot of work into the games, I won't argue with that. You created something that only a few dream to achieve and actually do it, but you still took a sh-t on your concept of what this made Shepard's story/games great. You minimized the dialogue wheel input (which you patented... hardy har har), you streamlined everything... sure ME3 is still "OK", but now every new DLC adds a new plothole, the game became more third person shooter than it should've been. I luv 3rd person shooters, but that's not the reason I play/played Mass Effect.

[Sharn01]

This is too funny, the guy puts out a statement obviously fabricated like his many previous deceptions and people are knocking each other over to be the first to lick his boots.

[res27772]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Mr Cloud wrote...

Oh, looks like Casey is finally leaving his bunker. But nah, this sweet talk ain't gonna work.

I'll thank him for ME1 and ME2. That's it.

I'd have to agree with that sentiment.  Altho', thanks to #3, I'm finding it hard these days to even find the motivation to play the first two, knowing #3 completely ignores the vast majority of what happened in them or renders it pointless... then there's the face im.... Oh whatever, that ploblem that's doomed to never get a proper fix.

Modifié par res27772, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[Jadebaby]

lol this is stupid.

[Jadebaby]

Sharn01 wrote...

This is too funny, the guy puts out a statement obviously fabricated like his many previous deceptions and people are knocking each other over to be the first to lick his boots.

My point exactly. and due to the ending.. (and I never thought I would say this)... I kind of do regret playing Mass Effect. It has totally destroyed gaming in general for me, because I now know how dangerous immersion (on the level I had for ME) is. Because all it takes is sloppy writing and a choice from the team to go in a different direction. And you're left stark-naked on the highway without even a cardboard cut out and a black marker.

[CDRSkyShepard]

If I saw Casey Hudson just on the street or at a con, at this point, I'm not sure what I'd say.

Obviously, I think he deserves some serious respect for not only creating the Mass Effect universe, but for KotOR. That is one of my favorite games now, even 10 years later. The man has talent, is successful, and I cannot fault him for anything that he has done in the past.

However, I feel he is responsible for 90% of the misleading hype surrounding ME3, I also feel that he should've taken much better care to not only represent the game better in marketing, but also make sure it stayed true to his own creation. Ultimately, it's his baby, but that means he's got the ire of thousands upon thousands of fans on his shoulders in regards to weak writing, and rightfully so. And by "ire," I don't mean hate, because some of the things people have said to him are reprehensible and no one deserves that. In the end, he could've avoided all of this, but he didn't, and we all have to live with the consequences of our actions, good or bad.

I'm not ready to write the man off just yet, but I'm also not ready to fully trust him, either. We'll see what happens, but he is undoubtedly going to have to reclaim himself from green-lighting that ending (or writing, if you believe that one). Personally, I think many things about ME3 are so bitterly disappointing I just have save points so I can play the good parts instead of the whole game. So... I think he had more to answer for than just the ending, but that's just me. On the other hand, I find it a bit sad that a string of overwhelming victories was shattered by one creative decision, and I know that at one point, the man made amazing games.

I'd prefer to think he's learned some lessons with this, and that he'll be careful in the future, so I remain cautiously optimistic.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 15 novembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[AlexMBrennan]

On the other hand, I find it a bit sad that a string of overwhelming victories was shattered by one creative decision, and I know that at one point, the man made amazing games.

Well, that's how it works - once established as a liar, people are likely to question any future statements. Ever heard of "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"?

[CDRSkyShepard]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

On the other hand, I find it a bit sad that a string of overwhelming victories was shattered by one creative decision, and I know that at one point, the man made amazing games.

Well, that's how it works - once established as a liar, people are likely to question any future statements. Ever heard of "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"?

Of course I have. However, he wasn't the only one taking part in the over-hype, even though he was the biggest mouthpiece for it. Even if all these "promises" weren't kept, people wouldn't be so up in arms over them if it wasn't for the ending. His reputation and career have been marred by the ending decision, not by any outlandish promises he or anyone in marketing made.

[Zaalbar]

breyant wrote...

Casey seems like a really nice guy. He shouldn't be thanking us, we should be thanking him. Regardless of how you feel about ME3, he gave us one of the greatest sci-fi trilogies of all time. I have spent literally hundreds of hours playing these three games and I don't regret a second of it.

I totally agree!

[LordOfTheBytes]

All this "wouldn't be possible without the fans" talk is a bit ridiculous. Of course it's true, but it's their achievement that they created games that people liked.
I say thanks for a great trilogy, looking forward to replay the ME trilogy and of course to future games!

Modifié par LordOfTheBytes, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:36 .

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Mr Cloud wrote...

Oh, looks like Casey is finally leaving his bunker. But nah, this sweet talk ain't gonna work.

I'll thank him for ME1 and ME2. That's it.

This. The only genuinely good thing about ME3 was the combat finesse 

Edit: Can I just say his signature is absolutely awesome 

Modifié par Favourite store on the CitadeI, 16 novembre 2012 - 05:46 .

[Fraq Hound]

Casey and the Bioware team created an awesome sci-fi universe and made three great games.

Regardless of how you feel about the ending, there's no denying that ME3 is a great game and if the ending wasn't still a complete disaster I would be buying a copy of this collectors edition trilogy and starting a full play through right now.

Unfortunately the ending just kills my desire to experience this franchise again.

Still, the team does deserve our thanks! It was a great six years!

Thanks Casey!

Hopefully your next project is amazing because the only thing I'd purchase from the Mass Effect brand at this point is a new and proper ending.

[MrGoldarm]

ElusiveOneN7 wrote...

Mr Cloud wrote...

Oh, looks like Casey is finally leaving his bunker. But nah, this sweet talk ain't gonna work.

You can't still be bitter about the ending. If anything lets hope Bioware has learned something from all of this.

Still bitter here about the campaign bit of the game, not only the ending but it's general shallowness in execution.

If mass effect4 is set in a synthesis universe i won't be buying it or buy it second hand, unless i hear amazing stories about multiplayer.

[N7 ElusiveOne]

Goldarm wrote...

If mass effect4 is set in a synthesis universe i won't be buying it or buy it second hand, unless i hear amazing stories about multiplayer.

I assume the multiplayer can only get better while other things take back seat. I'm not sure that I want to get deeply invested in another Bioware epic again. From what I can tell though, future games will not take place post ending as they would have to consider the state of the universe after Shepard's decision. As far as I can tell, Mass Effect is dead, and anything using the fiction should just be a tool to explain why my character has Biotics instead of just guns.

[Examurai]

Why do people keep mentioning DA2 and The old Republic, and then blame Casey Hudson for its 'demise' as you can say? He isn't even in the same team that made those games. His not the head producer of every single Bioware game, just Mass Effect.