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[StarOfFlames]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

The blueberry **** never touched my Shepard.

I think I have a wild idea about who your Shepard is interested in and my guess is not the Cerberus Cheerleader. 

[sharkboy421]

StarOfFlames wrote...

Hello everyone!

I don't know whether anyone has thought about it yet, but if your Shepard romanced Liara, she says this to you when you say goodbyes to your friends - well, as I recall it:

'This is it, isn't it? ... I don't know what to say. The blue children will be disappointed that I didn't have any speech' said Liara, facing the dying soldier, looking at Shepard from the corner of her eye.
'We'll make it up for them' said Shepard, stepping a little closer to the asari.

So Liara definitely told her about the "blue children". And they had plenty of oportunities to bond, for example during their making love before the siege of the Kronos station, or, yes, Liara's final gift to her may have been bonding too. I read somewhere that Asari bonding does not necessarily take much time.

Personally, I love this idea because my Shepard chose Control, for the diversity of organic and synthetic life she sacrificed her own. And the idea that she had children... well, it makes me easier to deal with the heartbreaking.

But if your Shepard was male then Ashley could possibly be the mother of his children too.

Your headcanon there is fine, but Liara's line about "all those little blue children" is a reference back to Shep's line in LotSB.  Its kind of like an in-joke.  Your headcanon is totally wonderful for your Shepard and Liara, but beyond headcanon, there is no reason to think Liara is pregnant.

[N7KnightSabre]

I thought this was a very beautiful scene. Shepard is a dear friend to Liara and she wanted to share a peaceful moment with Shep before fate seperates them for whatever reason. She didn't get pregnant (especially since my Shep didn't romance her).

[StarOfFlames]

sharkboy421 wrote...

StarOfFlames wrote...

Hello everyone!

I don't know whether anyone has thought about it yet, but if your Shepard romanced Liara, she says this to you when you say goodbyes to your friends - well, as I recall it:

'This is it, isn't it? ... I don't know what to say. The blue children will be disappointed that I didn't have any speech' said Liara, facing the dying soldier, looking at Shepard from the corner of her eye.
'We'll make it up for them' said Shepard, stepping a little closer to the asari.

So Liara definitely told her about the "blue children". And they had plenty of oportunities to bond, for example during their making love before the siege of the Kronos station, or, yes, Liara's final gift to her may have been bonding too. I read somewhere that Asari bonding does not necessarily take much time.

Personally, I love this idea because my Shepard chose Control, for the diversity of organic and synthetic life she sacrificed her own. And the idea that she had children... well, it makes me easier to deal with the heartbreaking.

But if your Shepard was male then Ashley could possibly be the mother of his children too.

Your headcanon there is fine, but Liara's line about "all those little blue children" is a reference back to Shep's line in LotSB.  Its kind of like an in-joke.  Your headcanon is totally wonderful for your Shepard and Liara, but beyond headcanon, there is no reason to think Liara is pregnant.

Well, thank you, but I still think that this means that she is pregnant, the reference to the Lair of the Shadow Broker just makes it more fitting to the continuity of the story. So when romanced her during the first game then it was very casual back then, even though her commitment to recover Shepard's body and give it to the right people to rebuild her, even if it was Cerberus. Then, they met again and recommenced their relationship, Shepard offered the possibility that they could have children, half-joking, half-serious. Then, they confirmed this with their pillow talk about their plans for retirement and life in peace after the war and in the end, Liara's line with the blue children was very obvious. I mean, the two characters are in love and there is no reason thinking that she did not really mean that thing with the children. I mean, think about it, Liara? She never makes jokes, she is always serious and scientific, except for when Shepard sweeps her off her feet with her rushing and heated human personality she really loves in her. 
And for the bonding, they had made love before the final events, that is the best time for Asari bonding for two lovers as committed as they were.

Modifié par StarOfFlames, 12 novembre 2012 - 04:37 .

[NRieh]

She didn't get pregnant (especially since my Shep didn't romance her).

....you know, romance was never a prerequisite for pregnancy..and which is worse about asari - you don't even need to be a broshep to make it happen....

[StarOfFlames]

Nrieh wrote...

She didn't get pregnant (especially since my Shep didn't romance her).

....you know, romance was never a prerequisite for pregnancy..and which is worse about asari - you don't even need to be a broshep to make it happen....

You call it wrong, I call it wonderful. I mean, come on, Asari culture is based on intellect and as a one-gendered race they have emotions irrelevant of gender. I think Asari relationships are less based on hormones and more on intellectual partnership. Think outside of the box of human way of reasoning, that is one of the reasons for which we have Science Fiction 

Modifié par StarOfFlames, 12 novembre 2012 - 04:43 .

[N7KnightSabre]

Nrieh wrote...

She didn't get pregnant (especially since my Shep didn't romance her).

....you know, romance was never a prerequisite for pregnancy..and which is worse about asari - you don't even need to be a broshep to make it happen....

Yeah, I know all asari need to do is join conciousness with someone else but I seriously doubt that Liara would do that to Shepard. 

[DeinonSlayer]

StarOfFlames wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

She didn't get pregnant (especially since my Shep didn't romance her).

....you know, romance was never a prerequisite for pregnancy..and which is worse about asari - you don't even need to be a broshep to make it happen....

You call it wrong, I call it wonderful. I mean, come on, Asari culture is based on intellect and as a one-gendered race they have emotions irrelevant of gender. I think Asari relationships are less based on hormones and more on intellectual partnership. Think outside of the box of human way of reasoning, that is one of the reasons for which we have Science Fiction 

Because blue-skinned space lesbians are totally outside the box. What will they think of next? A spiky, armor-plated space-raptor with mammary glands? 

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 12 novembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[DirtySHISN0]

LadyPaine wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

She didn't get pregnant (especially since my Shep didn't romance her).

....you know, romance was never a prerequisite for pregnancy..and which is worse about asari - you don't even need to be a broshep to make it happen....

Yeah, I know all asari need to do is join conciousness with someone else but I seriously doubt that Liara would do that to Shepard. 

She sent shepards body to cerberus and had him/her revived without considering whether it would be something shepard really wanted. I don't see why essence theft is beyond her.

[Sebby]

Yeah, a fan service race inspired by the orion slave girls from Star Trek. Such a DEEP concept.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

StarOfFlames wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

The blueberry **** never touched my Shepard.

I think I have a wild idea about who your Shepard is interested in and my guess is not the Cerberus Cheerleader. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Nobody be touchin' ma boo. 

Nrieh wrote...

She didn't get pregnant (especially since my Shep didn't romance her).

....you know, romance was never a prerequisite for pregnancy..and which is worse about asari - you don't even need to be a broshep to make it happen....

That's why we can't take a chance with the blueberries. We have to bake 'em all!

Modifié par PsychoHitsPeach, 12 novembre 2012 - 04:57 .

[UrgentArchengel]

LI=yes. Not LI=No. Or whatever you want. Hence the way it all ended.

[Barquiel]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

LadyPaine wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

She didn't get pregnant (especially since my Shep didn't romance her).

....you know, romance was never a prerequisite for pregnancy..and which is worse about asari - you don't even need to be a broshep to make it happen....

Yeah, I know all asari need to do is join conciousness with someone else but I seriously doubt that Liara would do that to Shepard. 

She sent shepards body to cerberus and had him/her revived without considering whether it would be something shepard really wanted. I don't see why essence theft is beyond her.

Liara can't really ask Shepard in that situation, and she probably assumed Shepard would prefer to be alive rather than dead.

[StarOfFlames]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

StarOfFlames wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

She didn't get pregnant (especially since my Shep didn't romance her).

....you know, romance was never a prerequisite for pregnancy..and which is worse about asari - you don't even need to be a broshep to make it happen....

You call it wrong, I call it wonderful. I mean, come on, Asari culture is based on intellect and as a one-gendered race they have emotions irrelevant of gender. I think Asari relationships are less based on hormones and more on intellectual partnership. Think outside of the box of human way of reasoning, that is one of the reasons for which we have Science Fiction 

Because blue-skinned space lesbians are totally outside the box. What will they think of next? A spiky, armor-plated space-raptor with mammary glands? 

In fact, I think they are. It's the way you percieve them that makes them either "boring space lesbians"  or "interesting sentient creatres". Their procreation is basically asexual, and we see way more scientists, politicians, soldiers merchants and even criminals from their species than pole dancers so you can't call the creators sexist. Come on, how is an Asari more shallow than a Vulcan from Star Trek or a [random sentient alien] from a [random science fiction]? The relationship between my Shepard and Liara showed me something new about intellect and how it can be different from the way we know it and thus I call it art.

And for the Goddess's sake, people, okay Liara is the Shadow Broker and okay she has had some questionable ways in the second and third game but she's still the kind-hearted, young and smart, always-so-serious but ever compassionate Asari as she has always been.
It's okay if you don't like her, that's up to you but creating conspiracies about her "stealing Shepard's identity"? Or "mindraping" Shepard? Come on, that's very uncalled for. You may dislike her but she's always stayed true and loyal to Shepard and all her friends. She's one of the good guys, you know.

[Xilizhra]

In fact, I think they are. It's the way you percieve them that makes them either "boring space lesbians" or "interesting sentient creatres". Their procreation is basically asexual, and we see way more scientists, politicians, soldiers merchants and even criminals from their species than pole dancers so you can't call the creators sexist. Come on, how is an Asari more shallow than a Vulcan from Star Trek or a [random sentient alien] from a [random science fiction]? The relationship between my Shepard and Liara showed me something new about intellect and how it can be different from the way we know it and thus I call it art.

Well, it's not completely intellectual. Asari are most definitely sexual beings as well (although the only one we've seen talking about physical attractiveness, Aethyta, only mentions traits that asari would have, so it's possible that physical attraction only occurs with other asari and probably human and quarian women).

[VelvetStraitjacket]

...she's still a creepy mindrapist.

[Xilizhra]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

...she's still a creepy mindrapist.

Shepard consents to every melding, so... no.

[StarOfFlames]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

...she's still a creepy mindrapist.

"There is no spoon."

[Barquiel]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

...she's still a creepy mindrapist.

You need to check your definition of rape.

[Quething]

Xilizhra wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

...she's still a creepy mindrapist.

Shepard consents to every melding, so... no.

Unfortunately, Shepard consents even without the player's consent in ME1. Which is no reflection on Liara herself, but has understandably if unjustifiably colored the way a lot of people see her ever after.

[StarOfFlames]

Xilizhra wrote...

In fact, I think they are. It's the way you percieve them that makes them either "boring space lesbians" or "interesting sentient creatres". Their procreation is basically asexual, and we see way more scientists, politicians, soldiers merchants and even criminals from their species than pole dancers so you can't call the creators sexist. Come on, how is an Asari more shallow than a Vulcan from Star Trek or a [random sentient alien] from a [random science fiction]? The relationship between my Shepard and Liara showed me something new about intellect and how it can be different from the way we know it and thus I call it art.

Well, it's not completely intellectual. Asari are most definitely sexual beings as well (although the only one we've seen talking about physical attractiveness, Aethyta, only mentions traits that asari would have, so it's possible that physical attraction only occurs with other asari and probably human and quarian women).

Yes, and the Codex tells us Asari have the looks that evolved to be appealing to as many sentient beings as possible but still, just because they are good-looking and all-female they are not necessarily shallow, that's just a social construct that attractive women are simple.

Xilizhra wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

...she's still a creepy mindrapist.

Shepard consents to every melding, so... no.

Period. 

[unbentbuzzkill]

well she does tell shephard "what will i tell all of our little blue children" if you've romanced her since ME1 and stayed faithful.

[Xilizhra]

Unfortunately, Shepard consents even without the player's consent in ME1. Which is no reflection on Liara herself, but has understandably if unjustifiably colored the way a lot of people see her ever after.

The alternative is to have the Cipher stay scrambled within Shepard's mind. I really don't think there should have been a reasonable option to refuse.

Yes, and the Codex tells us Asari have the looks that evolved to be appealing to as many sentient beings as possible but still, just because they are good-looking and all-female they are not necessarily shallow, that's just a social construct that attractive women are simple.

...why they'd "evolve" that is completely beyond me, which makes me suspect that the Protheans had a hand in engineering them somehow. But yes, it's true that they aren't shallow.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Yes, Liara mind-****ed Shepard before during their farewell.