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[Mad-Hamlet]

Or, hey, maybe if romanced she does, if not, she doesn't.

Wow. Variables.

SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE!

Cretins.

[DeinonSlayer]

StarOfFlames wrote...

In fact, I think they are. It's the way you percieve them that makes them either "boring space lesbians"  or "interesting sentient creatres". Their procreation is basically asexual, and we see way more scientists, politicians, soldiers merchants and even criminals from their species than pole dancers so you can't call the creators sexist. Come on, how is an Asari more shallow than a Vulcan from Star Trek or a [random sentient alien] from a [random science fiction]? The relationship between my Shepard and Liara showed me something new about intellect and how it can be different from the way we know it and thus I call it art.

I think the problem is that they over-emphasized Asari sexuality. "Another Mass Effect title... oh, look! The strippers are on elevating platforms this time."

I'd have liked as opportunity to explore these cultures more. We get tantalizing tastes of them in dialogue and codex entries, but little is actually seen.

[StarOfFlames]

Xilizhra wrote...

Unfortunately, Shepard consents even without the player's consent in ME1. Which is no reflection on Liara herself, but has understandably if unjustifiably colored the way a lot of people see her ever after.

The alternative is to have the Cipher stay scrambled within Shepard's mind. I really don't think there should have been a reasonable option to refuse.

Yes, and the Codex tells us Asari have the looks that evolved to be appealing to as many sentient beings as possible but still, just because they are good-looking and all-female they are not necessarily shallow, that's just a social construct that attractive women are simple.

...why they'd "evolve" that is completely beyond me, which makes me suspect that the Protheans had a hand in engineering them somehow. But yes, it's true that they aren't shallow.

As for the alternative: Make Renegade Shepard, who won't let Liara in his head go into a planetside cave full of Geth or random ugly monsters to try and find a lost Prothean mind map to help sort out the Cypher himself. So either let the friendly Asari in your head and get the whole thing sorted out in a few instants or play stubborn and go fight for that translation thing if you insist. It's not playing sides with Paragon and Renegade Shepards, it's that being an a**hole and not trusting other people only makes it harder for you not the other people.

As for the Asari, finally, someone who agrees with me.

[Han Shot First]

I'm suprised so many people think Liara got pregnant in that scene.

That clearly isn't what the writers intended in that scene. It was nothing more than an intimate farewell.

Those that claim otherwise are either engaging in wishful thinking, or just looking for something to complain about.

[StarOfFlames]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

StarOfFlames wrote...

In fact, I think they are. It's the way you percieve them that makes them either "boring space lesbians"  or "interesting sentient creatres". Their procreation is basically asexual, and we see way more scientists, politicians, soldiers merchants and even criminals from their species than pole dancers so you can't call the creators sexist. Come on, how is an Asari more shallow than a Vulcan from Star Trek or a [random sentient alien] from a [random science fiction]? The relationship between my Shepard and Liara showed me something new about intellect and how it can be different from the way we know it and thus I call it art.

I think the problem is that they over-emphasized Asari sexuality. "Another Mass Effect title... oh, look! The strippers are on elevating platforms this time."

I'd have liked as opportunity to explore these cultures more. We get tantalizing tastes of them in dialogue and codex entries, but little is actually seen.

Well, if you imagine Turians, Salarians, or Krogan pole dancing, you will see there's a reason why the Asari do that :DB)
But yes, a little more of Asari culture would have been great, though we were on Illium, we were in an Ardat-Yakshi monastery, we've been to Thessia, we've seen the Temple of Atheme, we could peak into Asari society, we can side up with an Asari gang leader in the next DLC, we interacted with Asari politicians, we have an asari onboard on our ship, we've seen an Asari matriarch fight indoctrination and there were countless other moments, still, those are just the tip of the iceberg. That's why I like the idea of a sequel in the distant future where the galaxy blossoms once more and we can see what we missed in the trilogy. (If interested, check out the link in my signature.)

Modifié par StarOfFlames, 12 novembre 2012 - 06:22 .

[RogueBot]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

This is why I don't let her do it. I wouldn't put it past her to try to "save a piece" in the event that Shepard dies.

Smart move.

[StarOfFlames]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm suprised so many people think Liara got pregnant in that scene.

That clearly isn't what the writers intended in that scene. It was nothing more than an intimate farewell.

Those that claim otherwise are either engaging in wishful thinking, or just looking for something to complain about.

Yes. You're right. But they had sex the night before. Plenty of oportunities to bond. And she herself spoke about the blue children. That's enough for me.

[StarOfFlames]

RogueBot wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

This is why I don't let her do it. I wouldn't put it past her to try to "save a piece" in the event that Shepard dies.

Smart move.

Yeah reading the whole thread, including what I wrote about conspiracy theories would be too mainstream. Okay, just go ahead and make new ones but beware that Liara is just a lie in the Matrix and in fact, Shepard is the Illusive Man behind Tali's Mask, so this all is just a dream that Anderson is seeing while he is asleep in his room on Earth in the year 2165, right after his succesful mission with Saren, who recommended him for the Spectre status.

[RogueBot]

StarOfFlames wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

This is why I don't let her do it. I wouldn't put it past her to try to "save a piece" in the event that Shepard dies.

Smart move.

Yeah reading the whole thread, including what I wrote about conspiracy theories would be too mainstream. Okay, just go ahead and make new ones but beware that Liara is just a lie in the Matrix and in fact, Shepard is the Illusive Man behind Tali's Mask, so this all is just a dream that Anderson is seeing while he is asleep in his room on Earth in the year 2165, right after his succesful mission with Saren, who recommended him for the Spectre status.

The hell are you talking about? There's nothing mainstream about reading a video game message board 8 months after its release.

Anyways, there's nothing wrong with proactive contraception. Liara is unfit to be a mother and I wouldn't want my kid growing up during the Reaper crisis.

[StarOfFlames]

RogueBot wrote...

StarOfFlames wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

This is why I don't let her do it. I wouldn't put it past her to try to "save a piece" in the event that Shepard dies.

Smart move.

Yeah reading the whole thread, including what I wrote about conspiracy theories would be too mainstream. Okay, just go ahead and make new ones but beware that Liara is just a lie in the Matrix and in fact, Shepard is the Illusive Man behind Tali's Mask, so this all is just a dream that Anderson is seeing while he is asleep in his room on Earth in the year 2165, right after his succesful mission with Saren, who recommended him for the Spectre status.

The hell are you talking about? There's nothing mainstream about reading a video game message board 8 months after its release.

Anyways, there's nothing wrong with proactive contraception. Liara is unfit to be a mother and I wouldn't want my kid growing up during the Reaper crisis.

Dude, I wrote about it an hour ago and it's on the previous page. And that part you say about Liara is just your opinion and I personally think you're wrong. And no offence, don't  take me wrong. Maybe that's you Shepard's idea of her and it's okay. But I don't share your opinion. I think what you say was very uncalled for, but that's all. No hard feelings,  hope.
So, just FYI, here is what I said about conspiracy theories an hour ago:

StarOfFlames wrote...


And for the Goddess's sake, people, okay Liara is the Shadow Broker and okay she has had some questionable ways in the second and third game but she's still the kind-hearted, young and smart, always-so-serious but ever compassionate Asari as she has always been.
It's okay if you don't like her, that's up to you but creating conspiracies about her "stealing Shepard's identity"? Or "mindraping" Shepard? Come on, that's very uncalled for. You may dislike her but she's always stayed true and loyal to Shepard and all her friends. She's one of the good guys, you know.

Modifié par StarOfFlames, 12 novembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[RogueBot]

[quote]StarOfFlames wrote...

And for the Goddess's sake, people, okay Liara is the Shadow Broker and okay she has had some questionable ways in the second and third game but she's still the kind-hearted, young and smart, always-so-serious but ever compassionate Asari as she has always been.
It's okay if you don't like her, that's up to you but creating conspiracies about her "stealing Shepard's identity"? Or "mindraping" Shepard? Come on, that's very uncalled for. You may dislike her but she's always stayed true and loyal to Shepard and all her friends. She's one of the good guys, you know.[/quote]


[/quote]

You're right, I could be totally wrong about her. But she's super-clingy. Every time my Shepard tries to brush her off, she always comes back for more and she's always complimenting me and stuff.

My Shepard's been almost rude at times, but she doesn't seem to get the message. In fact, on the Citadel she was STILL coming on to him.

If this were real life, and if this were a real chick, I wouldn't trust her with a sample of my sperm. I've gotta be careful, though. I've seen Fatal Attraction.

Modifié par RogueBot, 12 novembre 2012 - 06:51 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Barquiel wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

She sent shepards body to cerberus and had him/her revived without considering whether it would be something shepard really wanted. I don't see why essence theft is beyond her.

Liara can't really ask Shepard in that situation, and she probably assumed Shepard would prefer to be alive rather than dead.

An answer i expected.

Shepard gave his/her life willingly.


I don't really care for any religious views or beliefs, but am not entirely closed to the possibility of an afterlife. I'd be pretty pissed if someone stole from me a death that was my own choice just because they wanted me to be alive. For all they knew i was in a better place.

(once again, not supporting any beliefs. Just stating that possiblities, however un/likely, are still possibilities)

[hiraeth]

So it sounds like, after 7 pages of discussion, the conclusion is that Liara is pregnant if you want her to be, and not pregnant if you don't want her to be?

[DeinonSlayer]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

So it sounds like, after 7 pages of discussion, the conclusion is that Liara is pregnant if you want her to be, and not pregnant if you don't want her to be?

Pretty much.

[DirtySHISN0]

page one.

[StarOfFlames]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

She sent shepards body to cerberus and had him/her revived without considering whether it would be something shepard really wanted. I don't see why essence theft is beyond her.

Liara can't really ask Shepard in that situation, and she probably assumed Shepard would prefer to be alive rather than dead.

An answer i expected.

Shepard gave his/her life willingly.


I don't really care for any religious views or beliefs, but am not entirely closed to the possibility of an afterlife. I'd be pretty pissed if someone stole from me a death that was my own choice just because they wanted me to be alive. For all they knew i was in a better place.

(once again, not supporting any beliefs. Just stating that possiblities, however un/likely, are still possibilities)

Shepard got draged away from the entrance to the lifepod by the blastwave of an explosion. The commander looked at Joker and saw he/she won't make it to the pod. So he/she hit the eject button and Joker flew out to safety. As the ship exploded, Shepard floated around struggling to cover the hole on his/her suit and stop the air from leaking. I don't think that counts as giving up your life willingly.
What is more is that Liara recovered the body and gave it to Cerberus after she heard the Collectors wanted to take it. I say her call of giving Shepard a chance at resurrection instead of letting him/her turned into a creepy Collector creature was a good one. Okay, you can say she could have let Shepard go. But once again, Shepard didn't give up his/her life willingly, he/she hoped the Alliance would come to help. Shepard was killed by the collectors.

And guys, I'm still convinced that Liara is pregnant, if she was your Shepard's love interest.

1. They agreed to have children at the end of the Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2. They agreed to live their lives peacefully and happily once the war was over.
3. They had sex and spent the night together before the Kronos siege.
4. Liara herself spoke about the "blue children" who will be disappointed and Shepard reassured her that they would have a good story for them. For the blue children. Their children. That they decided to have. Before having sex. Together. A perfect time for an Asari bonding.
5. I personally think that Liara's final gift was a memory exchange, a shared experience of a dream, and not Asari bonding. The sex was perfect for Asari bonding the night before.



Your honors, I must say that the evidence I presented is conclusive. We have every reason to believe Liara is pregnant. 

Modifié par StarOfFlames, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:02 .

[BonFire5]

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

The blueberry **** never touched my Shepard.

You, good sir, have made my day.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Xilizhra wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

...she's still a creepy mindrapist.

Shepard consents to every melding, so... no.

Mine never did. He was forced! Forced I tell you!

BonFire5 wrote...

PsychoHitsPeach wrote...

The blueberry **** never touched my Shepard.

You, good sir, have made my day.

Yey!

[Quething]

Xilizhra wrote...

The alternative is to have the Cipher stay scrambled within Shepard's mind. I really don't think there should have been a reasonable option to refuse.

You don't think it would be reasonable to tell a complete stranger you met three minutes before, who happens to be directly and closely related to your known enemy, to not go rummaging through the deepest, most private, most intimate recesses of your mind with absolutely no guarantee of usefulness or success or that she's even doing what she says she is? When, incidentally, you've been on the trail for all of a month, tops, and have just been given the Cipher, which you're told will make sense "over time" (which you haven't yet had)?

If you do Feros->Therum->Noveria=Virmire it is absolutely unreasonable to let her in your head the first time, unless your Shepard has some kind of asari worship or public sex kink going. If you've already had Liara for a couple planets when you pick up the Cipher it's still quite reasonable to refuse her if your Shep is an extremely private or xenophobic type. Only at the very end of the game when Shepard is out of time and out of other options is it fair for the game to force that choice out of her hands.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

If this is true...then you just got Shiala pregnant as well.

It doesn't work this way, I'm sure.

[DirtySHISN0]

StarOfFlames wrote...

Shepard got draged away from the entrance to the lifepod by the blastwave of an explosion. The commander looked at Joker and saw he/she won't make it to the pod. So he/she hit the eject button and Joker flew out to safety. As the ship exploded, Shepard floated around struggling to cover the hole on his/her suit and stop the air from leaking. I don't think that counts as giving up your life willingly.
What is more is that Liara recovered the body and gave it to Cerberus after she heard the Collectors wanted to take it. I say her call of giving Shepard a chance at resurrection instead of letting him/her turned into a creepy Collector creature was a good one. Okay, you can say she could have let Shepard go. But once again, Shepard didn't give up his/her life willingly, he/she hoped the Alliance would come to help. Shepard was killed by the collectors.

And guys, I'm still convinced that Liara is pregnant, if she was your Shepard's love interest.

1. They agreed to have children at the end of the Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2. They agreed to live their lives peacefully and happily once the war was over.
3. They had sex and spent the night together before the Kronos siege.
4. Liara herself spoke about the "blue children" who will be disappointed and Shepard reassured her that they would have a good story for them. For the blue children. Their children. That they decided to have. Before having sex. Together. A perfect time for an Asari bonding.
5. I personally think that Liara's final gift was a memory exchange, a shared experience of a dream, and not Asari bonding. The sex was perfect for Asari bonding the night before.



Your honors, I must say that the evidence I presented is conclusive. We have every reason to believe Liara is pregnant. 

"i'll haul Joker's crippled ass out of here" concious decision to save joker. Could have just left, but didn't - accepted possible outcomes and continued anyway. 


It wouldn't suprise me if the canon ideal is that she is pregnant. (i swear to god if we play as shepards child in ME4 i'm done i with this franchise) 
My shepards Liara on the other hand.....is a different story. Romanced her for 3 games, only got with her in the first one, refused almost everything that i could. Not really sure what to make of an asari LI after the bachelor party conversation on Illium in ME2.

[Xilizhra]

StarOfFlames wrote...
Shepard got draged away from the entrance to the lifepod by the blastwave of an explosion. The commander looked at Joker and saw he/she won't make it to the pod. So he/she hit the eject button and Joker flew out to safety. As the ship exploded, Shepard floated around struggling to cover the hole on his/her suit and stop the air from leaking. I don't think that counts as giving up your life willingly.
What is more is that Liara recovered the body and gave it to Cerberus after she heard the Collectors wanted to take it. I say her call of giving Shepard a chance at resurrection instead of letting him/her turned into a creepy Collector creature was a good one. Okay, you can say she could have let Shepard go. But once again, Shepard didn't give up his/her life willingly, he/she hoped the Alliance would come to help. Shepard was killed by the collectors.

And guys, I'm still convinced that Liara is pregnant, if she was your Shepard's love interest.

1. They agreed to have children at the end of the Lair of the Shadow Broker.
2. They agreed to live their lives peacefully and happily once the war was over.
3. They had sex and spent the night together before the Kronos siege.
4. Liara herself spoke about the "blue children" who will be disappointed and Shepard reassured her that they would have a good story for them. For the blue children. Their children. That they decided to have. Before having sex. Together. A perfect time for an Asari bonding.
5. I personally think that Liara's final gift was a memory exchange, a shared experience of a dream, and not Asari bonding. The sex was perfect for Asari bonding the night before.



Your honors, I must say that the evidence I presented is conclusive. We have every reason to believe Liara is pregnant. 

I don't know. Is immediately before the largest battle the galaxy has ever seen really the best time to get pregnant? I mean, if one was thinking of it as an insurance policy, maybe, but... while I personally have never been pregnant, it seems to me as though someone who was would be a bit more careful about their own person.

[thehomeworld]

I agree with another poster that says Liara copied shep's DNA and can use it later to get pregnant she doesn't need to do it right then nothing in the Asari information we have suggests they can't put your code on file for later when things are better. So she can be pregnant right there after she does it which isn't a problem for her anyway because she's not giving birth 10 minutes from the time she does it or she can wait till after the war has ended shep is dead and as the SB she'll be able to see does the world need a new shep now or should I hold off for 100 more years?

If its a hundred years later she can do it and then make the next galactic hero to stop whatever threat there is. Not saying I like the sneaky way she copied shep if he/she isn't her LI but Liara has already proven she'll do whatever it takes when it comes to shep to preserve him/her for whatever unspoken reasoning she has.

[TheWill]

would be great to have shepards asari daughter in future games as a suad mate or potential councilor ... there were jokes about asari taking on their fathers krogan temper in mass effect and headbutting lol... i would love to see what having some kick ass shepard genes mixed with super smart and sexy liara would make... a very powerful unstoppable headbutting asari bosh'tet