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[Sable Rhapsody]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Orlesian.

First of all, the game is set in Orlais. We're going to be hearing a ton of Orlesian accents anyway.

Second, the protagonists can't all be Ferelden. How can every hero in Thedas be Ferelden?

This.  It'll be a sad day for the rest of Thedas when the only people capable of producing hero protagonists are the barbarian dog lords who are still licking their wounds after a Blight.

[esper]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Why assume that a bunch of characters speaking English are using the 'common tongue?' Wouldn't it make more sense that they're speaking their native language and we're getting a translation?

Especially since the characters speak a different language depending on the localization you get.

Fleshdress wrote...

I am pretty sure the language is Tevene (Tevine?)

It's Arcanum.

Since we have never heard the term common tounge, I just assume that the warden and team all could speak somewhat Fereldan. Leliana for example, could of course speak Orlais and Fereldan (As a spy she can properly all the major langues to some degree).

Hawke speaks Fereldan and whatever they speak in the Marches.

All the words we heard which is untranslated are words our protagonist don't understand or the words which doesn't have a direct translation

[Halberd96]

Anything as long as its tolerable I guess.

Its really hard for me to decide what I want in a voiced protagonist.

[NUM13ER]

DPSSOC...
It's xenophobic to find a particular sound annoying now? Sweet, I can now defend any and all Canadian music by declaring people who don't like it xenophobic.

Ah, referring to another persons accent as a "particular sound" is probably not helping your case. For instance people may feel saying something like "I don't like the particular sound Africans make when they open their mouths" has unfortunate implications, but i digress.

My comment was directed towards some of the more blatant xenophobia and even occasional racist undertones regarding french accents/culture on the BSN. If certain people don't like French accents and it turns out the PC is Orlesian then they're S.O.L. I merely expressed I would be quite happy with that possiblity.

Modifié par NUM13ER, 12 novembre 2012 - 12:53 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Why assume that a bunch of characters speaking English are using the 'common tongue?' Wouldn't it make more sense that they're speaking their native language and we're getting a translation?

Especially since the characters speak a different language depending on the localization you get.

I make that assumption because Ferelden culture is also the most similar to English. Just like Orlesian is the most similar to French, Antivan is most similar to Italian, Rivani is most similar to Spain/Greece, etc. You could make the case, I suppose, that Ferelden also mirrors German Medieval culture, as well. But English is a derivative language of German anyway, so it could work either way, I suppose.

I don't have enough experience with the localizations to say either way, but I was curious... in the French localization, how do characters with Orlesian accents sound? I would assume those speaking the Common tongue would speak with normal French accents... do the Orlesians speak French with British accents...?! <brain explodes>

esper wrote...

Since we have never heard the term common tounge, I just assume that the warden and team all could speak somewhat Fereldan. 

We have heard the term Common tongue in the Codex entries, actually. See below for a really good run down on the known information about Thedas linguistics:

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Language

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 12 novembre 2012 - 01:18 .

[esper]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Why assume that a bunch of characters speaking English are using the 'common tongue?' Wouldn't it make more sense that they're speaking their native language and we're getting a translation?

Especially since the characters speak a different language depending on the localization you get.

I make that assumption because Ferelden culture is also the most similar to English. Just like Orlesian is the most similar to French, Antivan is most similar to Italian, Rivani is most similar to Spain/Greece, etc. You could make the case, I suppose, that Ferelden also mirrors German Medieval culture, but English is a derivative language of German anyway, so it could work either way, I suppose.

I don't have enough experience with the localizations to say either way, but I was curious... in the French localization, how do characters with Orlesian accents sound? I would assume those speaking the Common tongue would spead with normal French accents... do the Orlesians speak French with British accents...?! <brain explodes>

esper wrote...

Since we have never heard the term common tounge, I just assume that the warden and team all could speak somewhat Fereldan. 

We have heard the term Common tongue in the Codex entries, actually. See below for a really good run down on the known information about Thedas linguistics:

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Language

I can't open the link, but I will assume that its content are based on codex in the game and not just normal wiki-assumption.

But I still on the opion that most characther as simple speaking the langue off the country we are in. I certainly don't speak english with my friends. If not then it won't make sense when we come to Orlais or Tevinter or Rivain and Seheron and everybody suddenly speak common.  

[Fast Jimmy]

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I followed up on the Wiki links in the artticle and it is information confirmed by Gaider in an interview as well as a quote from the novel The Stolen Throne.

And I agree with you. You wouldn't speak English just in case there were any English speaking people nearby, nor would I speak Swedish just in case a Swede happened to be within hearing distance.

And, if that is the case, then there should be no accent at all, either for the PC or for any Orlesians, if we are a native of Orlais. Because then we would just be hearing people as those who speak our character's native tongue.

[DreGregoire]

I don't care about the accent (although I do like accents), I just hope the PC voice actors they decide on don't get on my nerves. In the past I wasn't able to play one gender because I couldn't stand the tones, sounds, voice, whatever of the voice actor for that gender.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 12 novembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[esper]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

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I followed up on the Wiki links in the artticle and it is information confirmed by Gaider in an interview as well as a quote from the novel The Stolen Throne.

And I agree with you. You wouldn't speak English just in case there were any English speaking people nearby, nor would I speak Swedish just in case a Swede happened to be within hearing distance.

And, if that is the case, then there should be no accent at all, either for the PC or for any Orlesians, if we are a native of Orlais. Because then we would just be hearing people as those who speak our character's native tongue.

Yes and no. I don't know about your langue, but my langue certainly have an accént, I can clearly hear when someone non-native speaks my langue even if they are technaically almost fluent.

I just assume that french accent is the 'tone' for the lack of a better word of Orlesian and thus that tone would stick out even when speaking Orleasing, but to the people of Orlais not having that tone would be an accent. (In other word the accent is a mandatory to speak correct Orleasian.)

To me the english we have heard for now is definitly 'accent' like. Granted I know it is correct english, but it doesn't sound like how I would speak english because I am not fluent enough to speak without the accent.

[Fast Jimmy]

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Oh, yes, I didn't clarify... there should still be accents, but the accents should be completely different than what we've seen previously, in my opinion. Everyone who is from Orlais should sound "normal" (depending on the locatlization, that could be British English, or in other countries, it would be their respective languages), just as everyone from Ferelden/The Free Marches that our characters encountered sounded "normal."

So a native Orlesian would sound, to another native Orlesian, just like a native Ferelden did to a native Ferelden-ite.

[DreGregoire]

There are many accents within a single language, no matter the language. English, because it's the must familiar to me, is not only impacted by which continent you are from but it is also impacted by what region of the continent you reside in, or resided in for the majority of your time. Here's a very good example. As a very young child I had what would be referred to as a West Virginian accent even though I was in central Ohio. I was adopted at age seven by a New England couple and moved to New England in my early teens, so I had what would basically seem like a lack of accent (or lack of twang). For the last 10 years I have been living in Ohio again and having contact with people and have picked up a good portion of that West Virginian Twang, but this is futher compounded by my choice in movies, comedy, and well games. So now I have a three way battle between English (British), English (American New England, non accented) and English (American West Virginian Twang).

And I know that in Certain countries there are not only different accents but also different dialects (variations on the spoken language).

So, I think the theory that one Ferelden sounds normal to another Ferelden is a stretch because it is very likely (especially given the level of seperation from others in the game setting) that a person on Northern side of Ferelden may speak very differently, accent and dialect wise, than one on Southern side (eastern or western, etc.).

Modifié par DreGregoire, 12 novembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[esper]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

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Oh, yes, I didn't clarify... there should still be accents, but the accents should be completely different than what we've seen previously, in my opinion. Everyone who is from Orlais should sound "normal" (depending on the locatlization, that could be British English, or in other countries, it would be their respective languages), just as everyone from Ferelden/The Free Marches that our characters encountered sounded "normal."

So a native Orlesian would sound, to another native Orlesian, just like a native Ferelden did to a native Ferelden-ite.

No, I understood you.
To a native Orlesian that accent is normal. Not hearing that accent (depedning on localization) would be abnormal.

I think that this is a place where native english speaker should just accept that there is a gap between them and their PC. Since to the characther the accent is not an accent, but natural. As said I already clearly hear the 'correct' english/american/british/whatever accent the fereldans/Hawke speaks as it is not natural compared to the english I hear in my daily life.

I would be all for the Orlesian actually speaking french with subtitles for us to understand, but that is properly not possible to sell.

[esper]

DreGregoire wrote...

There are many accents within a single language, no matter the language. English, because it's the must familiar to me, is not only impacted by which continent you are from but it is also impacted by what region of the continent you reside in, or resided in for the majority of your time. Here's a very good example. As a very young child I had what would be referred to as a West Virginian accent even though I was in central Ohio. I was adopted at age seven by a New England couple and moved to New England in my early teens, so I had what would basically seem like a lack of accent (or lack of twang). For the last 10 years I have been living in Ohio again and having contact with people and have picked up a good portion of that West Virginian Twang, but this is futher compounded by my choice in movies, comedy, and well games. So now I have a three way battle between English (British), English (American New England, non accented) and English (American West Virginian Twang).

And I know that in Certain countries there are not only different accents but also different dialects (variations on the spoken language).

So, I think the theory that one Ferelden sounds normal to another Ferelden is a stretch because it is very likely (especially given the level of seperation from others in the game setting) that a person on one side of Ferelden may speak very differently, accent and dialect wise, than one on a different side.

A Fereldan doesn't suddenly sound Orlesian, though. Unless they have an Orlesian heritage (in which case they would have an Orlesian accent.)

[Snypy]

Preferably a neutral accent. It helps to "bond" with the playable character.

[DreGregoire]

esper wrote...

A Fereldan doesn't suddenly sound Orlesian, though. Unless they have an Orlesian heritage (in which case they would have an Orlesian accent.)

The point I am trying to make is that you don't have to be of a certain heritage, or be Orlesian, in order to have traces of that language (accent, dialect, words) in your everyday speech. Simply living in a village with somebody that has a different accent can impact your speech patterns.

@ the topic: Another point is that the common tongue or Kings tongue, which was taught by the dwarves to the humans to make trade run more smoothly, is used throughout Thedas and will more than likely be known by the majority of people the PC comes in contact with. 

I think it would be really neat to have to depend on somebody else to do the talking (translating) for us. Both Zevran and Leliana know more than one language. It will be interesting to see how it's handled or if it's just ignored.


Added: And the common tongue is what is used by the majority of Ferelden citizens, even though (to me) the Ferelden version is clearly impacted by other languages.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 12 novembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[gosimmons]

As long as it's performed well I'm not too concerned.

[Potato Cat]

Just as long as it isn't upper class English or a (bad) cockney accent. We have other accents! Why can't we have a Geordie PC? Or a Scouse? Or a Brummie?

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I'd be perfectly fine with a French accent for both genders, so long as it's authentic-sounding. If that's what they're planning, BioWare would do well to hire someone who is French but whose English is really good (Vincent Cassel comes to mind) or actors who are really good at mimicking regional accents in a believable, subtle way.

If the protagonist has a French accent I don't want them to sound like Monty Python and the Holy Grail's French Taunter...

[Azrielon]

I hope that whatever accent we may get, fits with the backgrounds first and foremost. That being said, I'm also hoping that it isn't too thick (for example a fem Orlesian protaganist using Lelliana's voice instead of Marjolaines or, for male, using Prosper's voice instead of the noble who called Hawke a turnip). That being said, maybe i'm just hearing different kinds of voice and not varied accent thickness.

[Ridwan]

An accent that doesn't sound horrible. I think that archer guy from Awekening, Howe's son, had a good accent.

Modifié par M25105, 12 novembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[fchopin]

We want a Maurice Chevalier voice.

[mousestalker]

It's a pity Robert Goulet has passed as he would have been perfect.