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[RoudyRogue]

Ok, I just got into Haven and Sten decided he wanted to try "to take over" and after I whooped his ass by freezing him, I kinda thought about what he had said. I went Redcliffe, then to Denerim (haven't completed yet), went to the Dalish (just completed), then just entered Haven. Between Denerim and the Dalish tribes, I honestly forgot who it was I was really fighting. I had forgotten about the darkspawn until that battle immediately after you complete the Dalish.

To sum it up: I'm with Sten. We should have more Darkspawn fights, seeing as how they're the real enemy here. Agree? Disagree?

Discuss...

[Xandurpein]

You are doing quests to gather an army so you have something to fight the Darkspawn with. Going solo against the horde might be valiant, but hardly fruitful. Don't worry though, go to Orzamar and eventually you will get all the Darkspawn you want.

[KalosCast]

No

[Sabriana]

Xandurpein wrote...

You are doing quests to gather an army so you have something to fight the Darkspawn with. Going solo against the horde might be valiant, but hardly fruitful. Don't worry though, go to Orzamar and eventually you will get all the Darkspawn you want.

Agreed. Go to the Deep Roads. You'll never forget again. I can almost guarantee that.

Modifié par Sabriana, 03 janvier 2010 - 10:34 .

[Cybercat999]

Xandurpein wrote...

You are doing quests to gather an army so you have something to fight the Darkspawn with. Going solo against the horde might be valiant, but hardly fruitful. Don't worry though, go to Orzamar and eventually you will get all the Darkspawn you want.

Well, considering that I end fighting all the darkspawn + archdemon with same 3 people I started the quest with, plus dozen elves I picked in the Alienage..... I say gathering the armies was definitely not worth the effort.

[LesserHellspawn]

The OP has a point though. For a blight overrunning the country we see awfully little of the darkspawn on the surface.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Despite the fact that you can put Sten back on track, I would ever so slightly agree with you, if it was not for just one eensy weensy tiny problem. Know any other Arl's that are going to back you into getting the rest of the nobles of Ferelden on your side? No? Right, didn't think so. Thus you need to get the ashes that are needed to fix Eamon and considering at this point you are the only really ones (other than the dwarves because they are constantly fighting the darkspawn) taking it seriously, only you are going to be able to get things fixed.

The one thing I do agree with though is if you take the southern part of the Imperial Highway (near where Lothering is) to go from Redcliffe to Dalish or Denerim there probably should have been more of a chance of running into darkspawn since that nice big black splodge is supposed to represent their advancement. When I first started playing I did expect that to happen.

Oh well, RtO out on Tuesday, plenty more darkspawn to kill in there

Edit: Oh and it really is a shame the Dwarf Noble didn't know more about the Grey Wardens, because if he had, I wondered if he would've given a damn, seeing as he is most likely going to end up where he was before he joined them, ie. walking the deep roads until he died :happy:

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 03 janvier 2010 - 11:44 .

[Sabriana]

Eamon is crucial, and the ashes are vital for Eamon's continued (or renewed) well being. Sten doesn't seem to grasp that, which I find a tad sad. The allies need each other, including Eamon's soldiers as well as his power as a noble. After all, he's quite a well respected and well known noble, being Rowan's brother and all.

Agreeing with Sir Ulrich so far, and I too think that the stretch of highway around Lothering should be far more dangerous to travel than it is right now.

If your skills are high enough, you can persuade Sten to see the light, however, I still think it should not be necessary. He should understand that we really need Eamon, after all, he's not a simple footsoldier himself. Strategy and allies should not be a foreign subject to him.

However, he does make up a little for his unexplainable blindness with his comments upon seeing the ashes. Cracked me up. Big time.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

LesserHellspawn wrote...

The OP has a point though. For a blight overrunning the country we see awfully little of the darkspawn on the surface.

Yes, and that's one of the main themes here. You know the Blight is the issue. So do a handful of other people. And the Dwarves know it ever day of their lives.

But alas, you live in a world full of idiots and short sighted, tunnel visioned reprobates who are more concerned with personal vendettas and comepletely irrelevant agendas, and these said idiots are pretty much standing in your way, one way or another, from accomplishing your goals as quickly as possible.

Thus, Sten is both wrong and right. He also suffers from tunnel vision, but he does have a point. You should be fighting the darkspawn. Unfortunately, the rest of the country, whom you desperately need to be united, seems not to take the threat as seriously as you do, and unless their lands have already been destroyed or the Archedemon flys over and craps on their heads, they aren't going to take it seriously unless someone steps up, knocks some sense into them, and makes them take it seriously.

And this is a task that requires a very powerful, respected man to get it done. In otherwords, it's the very idiots you seek to save from the Blight are the very ones who are doing their best, knowingly or not, to prevent you from doing so.

Sten can be forgiven, however, because in his culture, such problems simply would not exist, and thus, the whole idocy in Ferelden sort of blows his logic circuits. In the epilogue, if you Character sacrifices themselves, it states Sten returns to his people,and when asked if he had found any respectable or worthy souls in Ferelden, he states he only found one. Meaning the Warden.

Or, he could be talking about dog. never know with Sten.

[twintalons]

I laughed when Sten said what he did there, because I thought hmmmm you make a good point actually.

He hadn't made any other good points, so it was a nice change.

[LynxAQ]

But alas, you live in a world full of idiots and short sighted, tunnel visioned reprobates who are more concerned with personal vendettas and comepletely irrelevant agendas, and these said idiots are pretty much standing in your way, one way or another, from accomplishing your goals as quickly as possible.

Oh my maker, I have not seen such a perfect description of Alistair in along time on these forums.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Sabriana wrote...
However, he does make up a little for his unexplainable blindness with his comments upon seeing the ashes. Cracked me up. Big time.

The Sten is The Awesome with that line he gives.

Actually last I recalled, I came out of that Haven dispute with even more approval from Sten and didn't have to fight him, although that was possibly because I'd already done his personal quest and so he saw me as Kadan

Nehraa Kadan!

Actually, be interesting as to what his opinion of going back to Ostagar would be, sure we are no doubt going to be fighting Darkspawn but in some respects we're going backwards rather than forwards.

LynxAQ wrote...

But alas,
you live in a world full of idiots and short sighted, tunnel visioned
reprobates who are more concerned with personal vendettas and
comepletely irrelevant agendas, and these said idiots are pretty much
standing in your way, one way or another, from accomplishing your goals
as quickly as possible.

Oh my maker, I have not seen such a perfect description of Alistair in along time on these forums.

*casts flame resistance spell on LynxAQ before any of the 'Alistair fans' arrive to flame him*

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 03 janvier 2010 - 02:04 .

[Sabriana]

Well Ulrich, at least we'll be heading south. Another good line in that particular conversation. I was never high enough in approval to get by without fighting him, but my PC was apparently high enough to get him to submit after she hands him his butt. For that, she also got quite an upswing in approval from Sten as well. Never had to kill him, and he never went away either.

I like Sten, but I sadly underused him until now. I need to take a lesson in patience and build the poor guy up properly. I'm just an ignoramus when it comes to 2h weapons. I know, I know. Not an excuse. Well, it's the only one I've got, so there.

[Layn]

Cybercat999 wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

You are doing quests to gather an army so you have something to fight the Darkspawn with. Going solo against the horde might be valiant, but hardly fruitful. Don't worry though, go to Orzamar and eventually you will get all the Darkspawn you want.

Well, considering that I end fighting all the darkspawn + archdemon with same 3 people I started the quest with, plus dozen elves I picked in the Alienage..... I say gathering the armies was definitely not worth the effort.

actually you dont. the rest of your troop stays at the gates, while the armies fight all over and around Denerim. This distracts the darkspawn somewhat and eases your way to the archdemon.
also searching for allies made you awesomely powerful

Modifié par Crrash, 03 janvier 2010 - 02:28 .

[Sabriana]

Maviarab wrote...

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The Arl is only important becasue 'Alistair' suggested seeing him. As a Grey Warden, your only concern is with:
Mages
Elves
Dwarves

Anyone else is simply irrelevent and not worth wasting time on. (the story forces us to see the Arl), so both those characters really are correct in questioning your motives.

If this was a real scenario, the Arl can go kiss the fades ass for all I care as a Warden, my concern is recruiting the people who signed the treaties, nothing more, nothing less.

No, not really. Flemeth recommends going to the Arl as well. We also find out that the whole of the Arl's army is largely intact because he wasn't at Ostagar.

From the Flemeth - Alistair conversation:
Flemeth: "I may be old, but elves, dwarfs, mages, the arl, and whatnot..., that sounds like an army to me."

I can forgive Sten for not knowing that, but Morrigan should know better. Even the excuse of "well, maybe she wasn't there/inside the hut when Flemeth said that" is invalid. Upon entering Lothering, after much back and forth Alistair states to all three (I include dog): "I agree with Flemeth. We should go see the arl, and use the treaties." That's not verbatim, but he explicitly mentions that Flemeth knows how important the Arl of Redcliffe, his influence, and his army is.

[SusanStoHelit]

Maviarab wrote...

The Arl is only important becasue 'Alistair' suggested seeing him. As a Grey Warden, your only concern is with:
Mages
Elves
Dwarves

Anyone else is simply irrelevent and not worth wasting time on. (the story forces us to see the Arl), so both those characters really are correct in questioning your motives.

If this was a real scenario, the Arl can go kiss the fades ass for all I care as a Warden, my concern is recruiting the people who signed the treaties, nothing more, nothing less.

Not so. Our concern is with raising an army, it says so right there in the beginning. We can use the treaties to 'force' some people to ally with us whether they want to or not. But what is at heart is enough of an army to keep the darkspawn busy while we go for the archdemon. And the only one with the clout to add humans to the mix is Eamon. With our help.

What do you think would happen if an army of elves, dwarves, and mages marched into Ferelden without the support of the landsmeet? They'd be fighting the regular people we're trying to save - not the darkspawn. And both sides would be weaker when the darkspawn finally arrived.

Edit: to be completely clear, the treaties are the means to an end (raising an army) not the end in itself.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 03 janvier 2010 - 02:39 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Mav, except the fact that you need the Humans too but they are considered a given... well... if it wasn't for the fact the main person in charge of the humans in Ferelden is currently hell-bent on seeing you dead and doesn't believe it is a blight. Thus you need someone high up that can convince the other Nobles that he has gone mad.

So my point kind of is valid because the only other person higher than Eamon that could have helped is dead. ie. Teyrn Bryce Cousland.

You need the human forces as well as the elves, dwarves and mages.

Imagine the scenario if all you gather up is the latter 3, two of them groups are going to be pissed off that they are helping the humans whom aren't bringing anything but a royal bar steward and an orlesian bard and an apostate mage. I would imagine they would question why they are fighting the fight and the humans aren't? correct?

Edit: Gah ninja'd

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 03 janvier 2010 - 02:40 .

[robertthebard]

Crrash wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

You are doing quests to gather an army so you have something to fight the Darkspawn with. Going solo against the horde might be valiant, but hardly fruitful. Don't worry though, go to Orzamar and eventually you will get all the Darkspawn you want.

Well, considering that I end fighting all the darkspawn + archdemon with same 3 people I started the quest with, plus dozen elves I picked in the Alienage..... I say gathering the armies was definitely not worth the effort.

actually you dont. the rest of your troop stays at the gates, while the armies fight all over and around Denerim. This distracts the darkspawn somewhat and eases your way to the archdemon.
also searching for allies made you awesomely powerful

To add to this, you cannot progress without the treaties, no matter when you do Redcliffe.  Even if you go first to Redcliffe, Eamon will not call for the Landsmeet until you have your ducks in a row.  You have lost a significant portion of Ferelden's army at Ostagar, those troops need to be replaced.  Your treaties do that.

[SusanStoHelit]

Lmao Sir Ulrich, sorry.

[Sabriana]

*Sabriana nijas Susan and Ulrich, and cackles madly - Flemeth style*